Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #1

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  • #661
GT is to appear in court on August 27 relating to his previous charges. I guess this still goes ahead?

Mr Tostee will appear in Southport Magistrates Court on August 27 on assault police, obstruct police and public nuisance charges from January.

His appearance will also include a mention for the drink driving and breach of bail condition charges he received on July 27.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/women-who-met-gable-tostee-have-been-in-touch-with-police-as-it-is-revealed-he-is-no-stranger-to-the-law/story-fnj90t7b-1227020994419
 
  • #662
Isis, and the other hand, try getting help for a disorder that doesn't fit the 'cookie cutter' disorder manual... But that's another conversation, lol.. sorry OT. But yes, there's a lot wrong with the psych industry (and it IS an industry!).

IMO "spoiled brat", "egregious a-hole", "srsly messed up by lousy parents" and "nasty piece of work" are totally valid diagnoses. But that's why I'm not a practising psychologist. ;)

I'm not actually a fan of the word "disorder". It immediately creates categories. Every single human's got their issues and I really struggle with the labelling. But yeah, if you didn't fit into the old 'cookie-cutter' categories, there would be some confusion.........the DSM likes everything to be neat, neat, neat.

O/T I know. I'll shut up now!!!:blushing:
 
  • #663
GT is to appear in court on August 27 relating to his previous charges. I guess this still goes ahead?

Mr Tostee will appear in Southport Magistrates Court on August 27 on assault police, obstruct police and public nuisance charges from January.

His appearance will also include a mention for the drink driving and breach of bail condition charges he received on July 27.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/women-who-met-gable-tostee-have-been-in-touch-with-police-as-it-is-revealed-he-is-no-stranger-to-the-law/story-fnj90t7b-1227020994419

He's going to be a busy lad, isn't he. :jail:
 
  • #664
BBM Excellent point TGY. It is not as if Tostee rang police and said 'a terrible accident has happened .. I live on the 14th floor'. Someone saw where Warriena fell from (and recorded it?)

Or who else was in that unit?
 
  • #665
GT is to appear in court on August 27 relating to his previous charges. I guess this still goes ahead?

Mr Tostee will appear in Southport Magistrates Court on August 27 on assault police, obstruct police and public nuisance charges from January.

His appearance will also include a mention for the drink driving and breach of bail condition charges he received on July 27.

http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/women-who-met-gable-tostee-have-been-in-touch-with-police-as-it-is-revealed-he-is-no-stranger-to-the-law/story-fnj90t7b-1227020994419

Unfortunately all his prior convictions will be withheld from the judge or jury. :(
 
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  • #667
Unfortunately all his prior convictions will be withheld from the judge or jury. :(

That law NEVER makes sense to me. Surely the jury needs to fully comprehend the character of the accused, based on their past.......ugh!!!
 
  • #668
Thank you for your post, Isis. I was aware you had a psyche background/training, so not only is your take interesting in itself -- it's of value. Very rarely do we hear those in the mental-health field speak so frankly. You're to be applauded

On the Gold Coast some years ago was a woman who advertised herself as a psychologist with particularly emphasis on children and teens. She was receiving recommendations from parents whose children attended the same private school as ours

Some months later, at a specialised-interest group I was attending, several women - having been shocked to their core at what they'd just learned - began comparing notes re: the psychologist in question

Apparently, she had told several of those women (and their husbands) that their child had suffered 'oxygen deprivation' during birth, resulting in areas of their brains (and she had produced charts to illustrate) being 'dead'. That and more. The parents had been informed their child would 'never achieve much' but nevertheless, with therapy, blabla, could become contributing members of society ... etc

Those women and their spouses had shed anguished tears after this advice. Their focus had changed. Maybe their 'brain deadened' child should be steered toward less ambitious career choices? Maybe they should go to live on the farm at the back of beyond, with their grandparents, to learn basic skills? Maybe this, maybe that

And through it all, the 'psychologist' continued to rake in up to $300 per session with the now worried-sick parents as she ran their 'damaged' child through endless tests

The children thus described were of course mortified - because the psychologist didn't spare them her 'expert opinions'. Those kids began to regard themselves as being at the lower end, intelligence-wise. They lost enormous amounts of confidence, dropped-out, felt themselves unworthy, etc. And of course, some of their parents began with the blame-game against each other. What had the mother done wrong during pregnancy, for example. And as always, the 'there's nothing wrong with MY side of the family' slurs began. Impossible for the children at the centre of these marital storms not to hear at least some of it

Then the news. The 'psychologist's' own daughter had run out of the house and finally sought refuge in a big dump-bin at the rear of a supermarket. And the 'psychologist' had been discovered trying to whip her own daughter with lengths of plastic packing ties, to try to force the girl home. Poor kid was hiding beneath boxes and rubbish

A locally respected psychologist in Southport confided that he and his peers were having a very difficult time getting the 'psychologist' deregistered, according to parents who took it further. The fight was ongoing. And throughout, the 'psychologist' continued to ply her trade, reap in the dollars and to inform further parents that their child was 'brain damaged'

It was said that the locally respected psychologist had told a concerned parent that the 'rougue pyschologist' was a 'fat middle aged woman who'd picked up her qualifications basically by distance education' (his words, reportedly, not mine) at her kitchen table, as her own dysfunctional family raged around her. Upon gaining her 'qualifications', she decamped to the Gold Coast, had her straggly hair cut in a monk's cap style, got new glasses, grabbed herself half a dozen King Charles spaniels (which were either sick from neglect or had died) and set up shop at the back of Mermaid beach where she separated parents from their child and worked the kids over, telling them they were in the 'lower this and that', complete with charts to show how poorly they rated, but 'never mind, we'll see what we can do with you'. As this was going on, the parents sat glumly in the garden, worried both about their child (whom the 'psychologist had to herself behind locked gates) and the sick looking dogs seeking food from them

Despite driving her own child into a dumpster at night and regardless of the havoc this 'psychologist' was wreaking on people and their children, it was proving near impossible for the authorities to drag her out of circulation. Oh, and she proved litigation-mad into the bargain, apparently

Made me wonder how many like her are currently in circulation

So thanks again for your qualified words of caution, Isis. You may well have saved some poor soul or their child from the growing world of mental-health ******y
 
  • #669
That law NEVER makes sense to me. Surely the jury needs to fully comprehend the character of the accused, based on their past.......ugh!!!

Exactly Isis! Look at Brett Peter Cowan and his filthy past of molesting children and leaving a 6 year old for dead! Nothing could be released until after the trial!

Yes it sickens me to my core as well.
We are like minded on WS.
 
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I have a nephew who was clinically diagnosed with Aspergers Autism at five years of age. He really WAS a different little boy. He would speak his mind, no matter how inappropriate, and his parents were adamant they would give him every kind of professional help available. They started with radical dietary changes and speech therapy. They filled his life with pets, and responsibility for those pets, making empathy paramount. When given school assignments he would go off on a tangent which would set him up for failure - I think this is where the speech therapy was beneficial - a lot of work with content analysis. They got him into the scouting movement and kept him very busy and very stimulated. He is now 17 and the only observation I could make to differentiate him from other 17 year olds is that he is a deep thinker. I think he is probably more self aware and actualised than his peers. He has just become a Queen Scout and plans to join the Defence Forces as he knows that he thrives with plenty of structure. I can see that his life would be very different if he had been sheltered from the world and indulged. This is a happy story.
 
  • #672
Well that is truly shocking Laserdisc :facepalm:

And I've gotta say - that's far from the norm. Thank god!!

Also I have to say, I'm far from an orthodox psych - and lots of psychs will disagree with my views.
 
  • #673
Bit of a scab on the right knee too ... and on the right elbow. Did someone push him down and he grazed himself?

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http://www.news.com.au/national/pol...s-caught-on-tape/story-e6frfkp9-1227026185382



Tried to escape through the cat-flap ?
 
  • #674
I have a nephew who was clinically diagnosed with Aspergers Autism at five years of age. He really WAS a different little boy. He would speak his mind, no matter how inappropriate, and his parents were adamant they would give him every kind of professional help available. They started with radical dietary changes and speech therapy. They filled his life with pets, and responsibility for those pets, making empathy paramount. When given school assignments he would go off on a tangent which would set him up for failure - I think this is where the speech therapy was beneficial - a lot of work with content analysis. They got him into the scouting movement and kept him very busy and very stimulated. He is now 17 and the only observation I could make to differentiate him from other 17 year olds is that he is a deep thinker. I think he is probably more self aware and actualised than his peers. He has just become a Queen Scout and plans to join the Defence Forces as he knows that he thrives with plenty of structure. I can see that his life would be very different if he had been sheltered from the world and indulged. This is a happy story.

I love your happy story!!!
 
  • #675
That law NEVER makes sense to me. Surely the jury needs to fully comprehend the character of the accused, based on their past.......ugh!!!

I have been saying this for *years*, it's one of my pet rants, along with the dire need for a national sex offender registry.
 
  • #676
I have been saying this for *years*, it's one of my pet rants, along with the dire need for a national sex offender registry.

Yeah - it's just completely illogical.
 
  • #677
This is my final post on the whole psych/diagnosis topic -

I just want to say that I do indeed believe there are children out there who are autistic or have Aspergers - and I don't believe that is because of poor parenting. (I was using the ADD example before, referring to a very specific client group whose parenting was really sub-par, thus their involvement with DOCS)

I've not meant to offend or judge anyone who's child has been diagnosed as being on the Spectrum.

It's no reflection on the parents when it is an authentic diagnosis.

I've just seen it given to kids who were a little socially uncomfortable - or even plain old 'shy'- that's all. And that's my beef.
 
  • #678
That law NEVER makes sense to me. Surely the jury needs to fully comprehend the character of the accused, based on their past.......ugh!!!

My husband and I discuss this aspect of the 'law' from time to time

Like many aspects of law, the suppression of an accused's prior offences was introduced in the interests of fairness

However, when you apply for a job, your employer is entitled to learn of your past work history, isn't he? In fact, it goes a long way to forming an employer's decision

When you lose points on your driving licence, they're cumulative, aren't they? You don't have the benefit of 'clean slate'. Gain too many points and you're restricted from driving

When you meet someone, you seek to learn as much as you can about them, don't you? Of course you do. It's your best interests. You don't want to become too attached to someone who may have three wives and ten children within their recent past. Nor do you want to marry a bigamist or sexual offender, etc. So you learn all you can about their past and they do likewise with regard to you

When you apply for a loan, you're required to present your existing financial situation and commitments aren't you? Yes you are. Banks and other lenders don't want to give you money if you have no way of honouring your commitments

And on it goes. Except for when someone stands accused of a crime. At which point, the jury is forced to work blind

It's time it changed, imo
 
  • #679
Tried to escape through the cat-flap ?

Zooming in he has cuts on his knee, elbow and several on his knuckles.
Scabbed up and a couple of days old.
 
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