Australia - Warriena Wright, 26, dies in balcony fall, Surfers Paradise, Aug 2014 #3

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  • #881
There is no evidence of Wrie trying the lock on the balcony door to get back in. One interpretation of that is she was too frightened, the other interpretation is that she was unable.

This is a really good point, and one that only adds to the overall picture. She seems, in the earlier recording very reactive - even when scared, she still actively defends herself. I find it hard to imagine her not beating on the glass and demanding to come in, get her stuff and go home rather than just desperately pleading for her life out there -- "nonono" 27, 28 times... unless her life was in immediate danger ..

.. and I cannot imagine that she instead then *somehow* lowered herself face-out, flush with the building, and with no discernible climbing motions, over the edge of the balcony instead.
 
  • #882
I'm looking at the height of the white section of the balcony and it appears to be approx 5' high. If Warriena was facing outward the only way the neighbour at the bottom could see her feet is if SOMEONE was leaning over and holding Warriena by her arms/hands.
IMO there it's impossible she could be that far down, facing outward and still holding onto SOMETHING. SOMETHING WAS HOLDING HER. That's why he was breathing heavily.
 

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  • #883
Just wondering if we have a consensus that Wrie's toes/feet were facing away from the building?
 
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OMG!!

Her legs were there first ... it wasn't a lowering or a gentle, cautious ... she wasn't hanging on, she wasn't facing that way ... she wasn't facing that way to hold on.'

The police then repositioned the female officer re-enacting Ms Wright's fall, so that her 'feet were pointing away from the building, her back was towards the building ... and she was a little bit lower'.

Ms Ellis agreed that the female officer was in the right position and said Ms Wright had been 'flush against the building'.

'I couldn't see her upper body at all and she was out like that and um her legs had reached that point. I couldn't see her upper body and that's why I turned and said "I don't know what she's doing" because I was trying to work out is she trying to lower herself that way?'

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  • #886
Sorry for posting what others have but,WHAT THE??
IMO there is no way Rrie was trying to climb down. She was dangled over then dropped :moo:
 
  • #887
Sorry for posting what others have but,WHAT THE??
IMO there is no way Rrie was trying to climb down. She was dangled over then dropped :moo:

There was NOTHING TO HOLD ON TO if Warriena was facing outward.
He was bending over the glass rail and holding on to her.

If the neighbour was hearing Warriena yelling 'nonono...' Then he had her and was dangling her. 100%
 
  • #888
There was NOTHING TO HOLD ON TO if Warriena was facing outward.
He was bending over the glass rail and holding on to her.

...with the phone in his mouth.
 
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'You've been a bad girl' isn't a term an very angry male would use.
IYKWIM. In this case it sounds um bondage/strange?
 
  • #891
Sorry for posting what others have but,WHAT THE??
IMO there is no way Rrie was trying to climb down. She was dangled over then dropped :moo:

Exactly, then WHY is he out walking the streets? It's obvious to us.
 
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In the police re-enactment, a female officer is lowered on a harness over the balcony and Ms Ellis says of Ms Wright's descent, "When she was coming down ... she started twisting herself.

"I did see a lot of her body which alerted me, like she's coming out on the edge. I don't know what she was thinking because ... her feet were coming towards me first, it wasn't as if she was crouching or anything .

"Her legs were there first ... it wasn't a lowering or a gentle, cautious ... she wasn't hanging on, she wasn't facing that way ... she wasn't facing that way to hold on."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11367448

I have absolutely terrible spatial imagination. Things like this just do my head in... Anyway, there's the extra details (thanks Slinki!) not in the other report. She started "twisting" -- she wasn't crouching... but I can't get quite what the witness was seeing, and from what angle.

But really, how did her legs lower at all, if there was nothing to hold onto and she was facing the wrong way?
 
  • #895
And remember, she was only tiny. Only so much body height. Railing plus glass, plus all that white building front she was "flush" to...

If anyone can get a better grip on the physics on all this, I'll make you a giant iced chocolate, extra whipped cream. Cherry and all.

I'm pretty excited to think maybe there's proof in this he was OUT there with her.
 
  • #896
For some perspective, here's a pic of the apartments on the next section of the building, without the white concrete fronting, just glass. You can see the chairs, for an indication of height.

The other pic is the same block as Tostee.

chairs1.jpg chairs2.jpg


it's right above us, there's something going on right above us here

^ They went out on the balcony, because they could hear something going on out there, is what it sounds like. So they looked up - and saw Rrie. And I'm wondering if they heard a struggle *on the balcony*, or voices clearly, like the door was open (which would clear up the locked/unlocked thing a bit).
 
  • #897
This is impossible unless someone had hold of Warriena's hands/arms.

"I did see a lot of her body which alerted me, like she's coming out on the edge. I don't know what she was thinking because ... her feet were coming towards me first, it wasn't as if she was crouching or anything .

"Her legs were there first ... it wasn't a lowering or a gentle, cautious ... she wasn't hanging on, she wasn't facing that way ... she wasn't facing that way to hold on."

The police then repositioned the female officer re-enacting Ms Wright's fall, so that her "feet were pointing away from the building, her back was towards the building ... and she was a little bit lower".

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11367448
 
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'You've been a bad girl' isn't a term an very angry male would use.
IYKWIM. In this case it sounds um bondage/strange?

I think I may have posted about this before.. sorry if I'm repeating myself. But this really struck me.. I used to work in the BDSM industry (though it isn't at all "my thing", heh) and I got to hear a LOT of both roleplaying and full on devotee talk. And I've also studied the dialogue of power assertion rapists. And those words are, in *that* situation, what Id fully expect to hear from a man who's crossed a line between a fantasy script he's been running in his head and what's really happening.

You can see it evolving through the whole tape, how he manipulates and exerts power, of coersion, of bullying, of threat, taking her phone.... and you can see through the whole tape how he kept focussing Rrie on the balcony, it comes up over and over...

I have NO doubt that the idea of using his balcony as a threat and a tool of total power exertion was turning him on. "You've been a bad girl" is both infantalising her and exerting dominance, power. It's mockery, of someone he's got scared witless. It has, to my mind, and keeping in mind I *know* the fantasy talk/mindset of sadists/masochists pretty well -- the tone of someone sadistically enjoying another person's fear and the thrill of the sense of power it brings.

This doesn't mean I think he's into BDSM (though he might be, he did have her tied up at one stage...). But I *do* think he'd been harbouring some pretty sick fantasies for quite some time. And I say "sick" because I don't think they involved willing partners.
 
  • #900
Well explained Ausgirl. I've obviously been hiding under a rock.

"You've been a bad girl"....sort of foreplay to rough sex?
 
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