Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[SouthAussie]

She asked for a link to the photo of the police gear which I provided. She did not ask for a link to the Benaroon photo that is evidence they wore body cam. Rolled out and trialled are not the same thing. JMO

I thought a required link to the photo that was posted of 'Chris Rowley' was requested.

"Trialled in 2016" is two years after William disappeared, and as stated before, Rowley's position does not appear to be part of the trial group anyway. Which makes sense because the bodycam article you posted says they were using them for crime deterrent.

 

[SLouTh]

If police had arrived on scene with body cams that morning, why hasn't there been any footage shown or discussed , either in the press, or police reports or in the coronial investigation?

A lot of the Police "operational" information at the William's Inquest was held in a "closed court" ...... There were quite a few days that the public and press were closed out .....
imo

 

[SLouTh]

I wonder how long it takes to drive home for him from the tennis courts?

It's very close on the map... only a few minutes I would guess ..... (I guess we could google it on maps to be sure?)
imo

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

I thought a required link to the photo that was posted of 'Chris Rowley' was requested.

"Trialled in 2016" is two years after William disappeared, and as stated before, Rowley's position does not appear to be part of the trial group anyway. Which makes sense because the bodycam article you posted says they were using them for crime deterrent.

There are links provided that also say they were trialled since 2014 in regional areas of NSW, and no mention of which police units were using them. For now we can only guess which is most accurate.
There is another important quote we could include which mentions the use of cameras by LE at Kendall but we’re not allowed.

 

[Limaes]

I thought a required link to the photo that was posted of 'Chris Rowley' was requested.

"Trialled in 2016" is two years after William disappeared, and as stated before, Rowley's position does not appear to be part of the trial group.

No, she wanted to know what year the body cam in the photo was from.

The article I posted was from May 2014. It does not provide an extensive list of who had been trialling it at that point. It says "including".

 

[katydid23]

It's an open investigation so they won't show footage to public at this stage. For all we know there are police reports. Not everything is being released to the public and persons of interest.

JMO

During the coroners investigation, I never heard any mention of any footage from first responders that day. We heard very minute and specific details of many things that happened that morning. But no one ever mentioned anything about any footage from police cams that day, while searching, questioning others, etc.

I really think it would have been mentioned during the questioning. We have heard discussions since then, asking if cars were parked in certain positions and if garage doors were open or closed and gates to upper balcony were open or closed-----wouldn't there have been some mentions of those answers being seen in video cam footage during the coroner investigation?

 

[SouthAussie]

There are links provided that also say they were trialled since 2014 in regional areas of NSW, and no mention of which police units were using them. For now we can only guess which is most accurate.
There is another important quote we could include which mentions the use of cameras by LE at Kendall but we’re not allowed.

The link provided announced in May 2014 that police were going to invest a whole bunch of money in bodycams. A decision had been made. The trials covered 4 commands (which I named above). They would decide which model to go with after a tender process.

Further provided links said the trial started two years later (2016). And the rollout was in 2018. In the mid-North.

imo

Happy to agree to disagree.

 

[katydid23]

A lot of the Police "operational" information at the William's Inquest was held in a "closed court" ...... There were quite a few days that the public and press were closed out .....
imo

True. But I heard discussions about questions concerning where neighborhood cars were parked, or not parked, that morning. And questions about whether the garage door was open or closed. And if the balcony gate to stairs was open or closed, I believe.

And wouldn't they already know those answers if the first responders had shoulder cams working?

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

During the coroners investigation, I never heard any mention of any footage from first responders that day. We heard very minute and specific details of many things that happened that morning. But no one ever mentioned anything about any footage from police cams that day, while searching, questioning others, etc.

I really think it would have been mentioned during the questioning. We have heard discussions since then, asking if cars were parked in certain positions and if garage doors were open or closed and gates to upper balcony were open or closed-----wouldn't there have been some mentions of those answers being seen in video cam footage during the coroner investigation?

Maybe not at the time of that stage of the inquest if it were deemed irrelevant information.
But since then they’ve done a search and reinterviewed a lot of people, taken audio and information from podcasts etc, new lines of enquiry may mean original sources of information may be looked at again.
For example, the FMFC has been charged with giving false info to authorities. Various means of recording done in 2014 could be looked at to cross reference original statements versus later comments.
Considering they are yet to find out what happened to William, it’s in their best interests to try out all avenues. I would

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

The link provided announced in May 2014 that police were going to invest a whole bunch of money in bodycams. A decision had been made. The trials covered 4 commands (which I named above). They would decide which model to go with after a tender process.

Further provided links said the trial started two years later (2016). And the rollout was in 2018.

imo

Happy to agree to disagree.

Not discrediting you personally but it depends how one take the articles. I can see the point of view and context of both. The article you posted says they were due to be tested 2016 or more implemented 2018 yet other articles say they were already in use 2014. How do we know which is the most accurate?

 

[SouthAussie]

Not discrediting you personally but it depends how one take the articles. I can see the point of view and context of both. The article you posted says they were due to be tested 2016 or more implemented 2018 yet other articles say they were already in use 2014. How do we know which is the most accurate?

The article mentioning trials in 2016, rollout in 2018, is speaking of the mid-North ... the area in which Rowley works/ed, and William disappeared. (That trial was in Kempsey.)

The 2014 article is speaking of Greater Sydney and the commands used for the trials, etc.

They are not conflicting articles.

imo

 

[Couldbe]

If LE didn't have body-cam video at their disposal would they after calling for backup, have been likely to have photographed (just using a camera) aspects of a scene that they considered important to record? e.g. the area where William was last seen and objects in that vicinity?

 

[SLouTh]

If LE didn't have body-cam video at their disposal would they after calling for backup, have been likely to have photographed (just using a camera) aspects of a scene that they considered important to record? e.g. the area where William was last seen and objects in that vicinity?

Yes, I would imagine so Couldbe....... Police certainly bring their own photographer to our small, rural area, Hospital for unexpected deaths of a minor etc (e.g. a SIDS case)
IMO

 

[Awakening]

Why are we talking about body cam video?

What are posters hoping to see? Presumably William had long gone by then, and if there was footage that ended up being released to the public, we wouldn't be allowed to see the foster parents faces anyway.

Seems like a moot point IMO.

 

[Couldbe]

Why are we talking about body cam video?

What are posters hoping to see? Presumably William had long gone by then, and if there was footage that ended up being released to the public, we wouldn't be allowed to see the foster parents faces anyway.

Seems like a moot point IMO.

I figured there may be a record of what FFC was wearing when LE Officer Rowley arrived, as there may be a connection with her top and the pink fabric that was dug up by the searchers during their most search.

 

[Blues Clues]

I figured there may be a record of what FFC was wearing when LE Officer Rowley arrived, as there may be a connection with her top and the pink fabric that was dug up by the searchers during their most search.

Are you thinking she buried her top after she spoke with Constable Rowley?

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

The article mentioning trials in 2016, rollout in 2018, is speaking of the mid-North ... the area in which Rowley works/ed, and William disappeared. (That trial was in Kempsey.)

The 2014 article is speaking of Greater Sydney and the commands used for the trials, etc.

They are not conflicting articles.

imo

It all depends on the accuracy of the reporter writing the article.
In light of gaining more information on the disappearance of William, don’t you think it would be beneficial if it were to get any evidence that would lead towards finding who is responsible?

Any information that can lead towards this goal is what we are all hoping for IMO. No matter who is responsible

 

[Couldbe]

Are you thinking she buried her top after she spoke with Constable Rowley?

Macca's CCTV showed FFC wearing a pink top very similar in colour to the fabric uncovered by the searchers. If she wasn't wearing that same top that morning, it could have been buried when an opportunity arose; or if she was still wearing it she could buried it after that.
JMO .....in the event of the fabric found is part of her top.

 

[SouthAussie]

It all depends on the accuracy of the reporter writing the article.
In light of gaining more information on the disappearance of William, don’t you think it would be beneficial if it were to get any evidence that would lead towards finding who is responsible?

Any information that can lead towards this goal is what we are all hoping for IMO. No matter who is responsible

I'm sorry. You've lost me. We are speaking of bodycams. It seems that it is not likely that any officer in the mid-North could have been wearing one in 2014 - if their mid-North trial was in Kempsey in 2016, Rowley worked from Laurieton, and their rollout was in 2018.

I can't just 'believe' that Rowley was wearing a bodycam when I think what is on the photographed officer's shoulder is likely a radio/mic, and bodycams weren't being used in the mid-North till 2018. imo

Agreeing to disagree.

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

I figured there may be a record of what FFC was wearing when LE Officer Rowley arrived, as there may be a connection with her top and the pink fabric that was dug up by the searchers during their most search.

Not only the pink top but the pants too. Both similarly coloured items were picked up by media photographers as they were found. Perhaps allowed to be photographed deliberately?