Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[bearbear]

We've heard very little of what the sister actually said. The most detail seems to have come from Jubelin after he left the case, in defence of his pursuit of PS. For all I know she mumbled agreement to leading questions, or told police "he went to look for daddy's car" because FFC had already asked her, "did William go to look for Daddy's car?" and she had agreed that that might be the case. It would be interesting if she'd been recorded answering questions, and described the whole morning in her own words. I don't think she would have lied or intentionally held anything back, but I do think they might have missed garnering what she knew.

I seem to remember that police spent days interviewing GBC's young children. L having been very young wasn't a good reason to ignore her experience of the day, or to assume that she'd told everything possible to the FCs.

this is what im hoping didnt happen either, she may have been shy and afraid and just nodded her head or answered leading questions, or been told earlier what to say and it made into a game of pretend etc,
she and ff are the only people who saw him that day, i also worry if she was allegedly assaulted recently was because she threatened to expose the lie, and if there was alleged assault recently, was it part of her and williams life earlier?

 

[Estelle]

this is what im hoping didnt happen either, she may have been shy and afraid and just nodded her head or answered leading questions, or been told earlier what to say and it made into a game of pretend etc,
she and ff are the only people who saw him that day, i also worry if she was allegedly assaulted recently was because she threatened to expose the lie, and if there was alleged assault recently, was it part of her and williams life earlier?

It's very possible that her repressed memories of the day have resurfaced recently. IMO

 

[katydid23]

this is what im hoping didnt happen either, she may have been shy and afraid and just nodded her head or answered leading questions, or been told earlier what to say and it made into a game of pretend etc,
she and ff are the only people who saw him that day, i also worry if she was allegedly assaulted recently was because she threatened to expose the lie, and if there was alleged assault recently, was it part of her and williams life earlier?

Don't children have to be interviewed by child behaviour specialists, in a case like this? I would expect they would use an expert that would not ask leading questions, but would use child-friendly techniques to elicit important information about that tragic day.

JMO

 

[katydid23]

It's very possible that her repressed memories of the day have resurfaced recently. IMO

If so, that can bring up many questions too. Repressed memories that pop up later are not always accurate memories.

Especially if a 3rd party has been 'counselling' or 'mentoring' a subject.

 

[bearbear]

Don't children have to be interviewed by child behaviour specialists, in a case like this? I would expect they would use an expert that would not ask leading questions, but would use child-friendly techniques to elicit important information about that tragic day.

JMO

you would hope so, but i fear this case was handled badly from the start

 

[Limaes]

Don't children have to be interviewed by child behaviour specialists, in a case like this? I would expect they would use an expert that would not ask leading questions, but would use child-friendly techniques to elicit important information about that tragic day.

JMO

The first to interview her was the officer that had been at the tennis club when she got the call.

I'm not sure what her qualifications were regarding interviewing children but when she arrived they were of the belief William was "lost".

JMO

 

[iiiii's]

The first to interview her was the officer that had been at the tennis club when she got the call.

I'm not sure what her qualifications were regarding interviewing children but when she arrived they were of the belief William was "lost".

JMO

The call to the police woman, was to Wendy Hudson. Doesn't mean the call was about WT. My understanding is that she was a youth liaison officer. MOO
Did William Tyrrell disappear earlier than reported? Why CCTV could prove crucial | Daily Mail Online

 

[Estelle]

If so, that can bring up many questions too. Repressed memories that pop up later are not always accurate memories.

Especially if a 3rd party has been 'counselling' or 'mentoring' a subject.

For example, if a child witnessed or experienced violence when young by a particular person/s, and it became buried in their subconscious mind, witnessing or experiencing violence again by that same person/s can trigger the repressed memories to come to the surface again without any mentoring or counselling from a third party.

 

[SouthAussie]

The sister did a formal walk-through on the Monday with Det Snr Const Debra Nelson (trauma trained, according to Linked In) in the presence of Wendy Hudson (youth liaison officer).

It is in Caroline Overington's book.

The sister was formally interviewed the day before that (the Sunday). It is in Caroline Overington's podcast.

From memory, she was also asked a few informal questions when William went missing. I think by Wendy Hudson, when she arrived at the scene. imo

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #50
Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #55

 

[Awakening]

I was listening to the podcast and that said Wendy was off duty that day but went to help and she asked FD a few questions like "do you and William having any hiding spots around here" and she replied no.

 

[Serenanicole]

But would his older sister lie about seeing her brother and playing with him that morning?

It wouldn’t be impossible. Why do you think some young children don’t tell the truth about atrocities such as sexual abuse or physical abuse, until years later, sometimes never.
But I am not at all saying that this is the case here. IMO

 

[Estelle]

It wouldn’t be impossible. Why do you think some young children don’t tell the truth about atrocities such as sexual abuse or physical abuse, until years later, sometimes never.
But I am not at all saying that this is the case here. IMO

The interview was on 15th October 3-4 days after WT vanished.

In that time, her FPs could have repeated over and over again how "William was playing on the balcony [meaning the small back deck] and then he went off and he was finding Daddy's car."

If something is repeated often enough for 3-4 days, a child could start believing it - (but it was not serious brain washing).

But that is all WT's sister actually said in this link: Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #55

Her answers to the other questions were: "I don't know".

I also think she might have suffered some sort of trauma.

ALL IMO

 

[Serenanicole]

The interview was on 15th October 3-4 days after WT vanished.

In that time, her FPs could have repeated over and over again how "William was playing on the balcony [meaning the small back deck] and then he went off and he was finding Daddy's car."

If something is repeated often enough for 3-4 days, a child could start believing it - (but it was not serious brain washing).

But that is all WT's sister actually said in this link: Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #55

Her answers to the other questions were: "I don't know".

I also think she might have suffered some sort of trauma.

ALL IMO

There is no doubt losing a sibling when you are a child is traumatic, and I speak from experience. Losing a sibling so suddenly. Losing a sibling and watching your parents deal with that is life changing. I feel so sorry for that little girl.
So many losses. So much confusion.

 

[Limaes]

The call to the police woman, was to Wendy Hudson. Doesn't mean the call was about WT. My understanding is that she was a youth liaison officer. MOO
Did William Tyrrell disappear earlier than reported? Why CCTV could prove crucial | Daily Mail Online

She was still a Police Officer and she spoke to William's sister. It is what it is. I don't recall any other children going missing from the area that morning. Happy to accept any source you have that it was not about William.

JMO

 

[Serenanicole]

She was still a Police Officer and she spoke to William's sister. It is what it is. I don't recall any other children going missing from the area that morning. Happy to accept any source you have that it was not about William.

JMO

But how it could this be? This would mean the police officer would have known much sooner than when the FM made the 000 call. If the police officer knew sooner, wouldn’t the police have attended sooner? I wonder if the police officer was ever questioned over the alleged phone call Mr Donahue is referring to?

 

[Awakening]

But how it could this be? This would mean the police officer would have known much sooner than when the FM made the 000 call. If the police officer knew sooner, wouldn’t the police have attended sooner? I wonder if the police officer was ever questioned over the alleged phone call Mr Donahue is referring to?

"Senior Constable Wendy Hudson had been on her rostered day off at the Kendall Tennis Club when she heard about the missing boy and joined the search with her two teenage sons.

Sen Const Hudson managed to speak with William’s sister about whether the boy had hiding places.

“I wasn’t tough with here, but I had an opportunity to speak to her,” Hudson said.

“There were no hiding places.”

Asked by Mr Craddock if the foster father and foster grandmother’s vehicles had been searched, she said, “not be me”.

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...t/news-story/d0e0d3664d113387adef9083d094040f

Someone must of called Wendy at the tennis club to tell her about WT.

In the podcast it says Wendy was off duty but went anyway to see if she could help.

If she was off duty, playing tennis then how did she hear about WT. It wasn't over her police radio if she's at the tennis club. Someone must of called her mobile.

 

[JBowie]

There is no doubt losing a sibling when you are a child is traumatic, and I speak from experience. Losing a sibling so suddenly. Losing a sibling and watching your parents deal with that is life changing. I feel so sorry for that little girl.
So many losses. So much confusion.

... and on top of that she's been removed from her bio parents, placed with foster parents and now removed from them. If the poor kid has determined that adults are unreliable/untrustworthy then I won't be surprised.

 

[SouthAussie]

Richard Donoghue made three statements to the police.

25th September 2014 - no mention of witnessing any call that Wendy Hudson might have taken at the tennis club
11th November 2015 - told the police that Wendy Hudson took a call about William
2nd Feb 2017 - told the police that Wendy took a call "that made him think a child was missing"



Did William Tyrrell disappear earlier than reported? Why CCTV could prove crucial | Daily Mail Online

 

[Awakening]

Richard Donoghue made three statements to the police.

25th September 2014 - no mention of witnessing any call that Wendy Hudson might have taken at the tennis club
11th November 2015 - told the police that Wendy Hudson took a call about William
2nd Feb 2017 - told the police that Wendy took a call "that made him think a child was missing"

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Did William Tyrrell disappear earlier than reported? Why CCTV could prove crucial | Daily Mail Online

So maybe Donoghue is misremembering? This is not uncommon and not a slight on Donoghues character.

Possibly he saw Wendy take a phone call that had something to do with her work (as a youth liaison officer) so he assumed it was about a youth.

Then with the passing of time and after now knowing WT went missing that day he incorrectly recalled it as a call about a missing child?

This case is so frustrating. There's such limited information and what information there is out there is often contradictory or misreported by journalists or well meaning witnesses.

I really fear this will never be solved.

 

[Serenanicole]

So maybe Donoghue is misremembering? This is not uncommon and not a slight on Donoghues character.

Possibly he saw Wendy take a phone call that had something to do with her work (as a youth liaison officer) so he assumed it was about a youth.

Then with the passing of time and after now knowing WT went missing that day he incorrectly recalled it as a call about a missing child?

This case is so frustrating. There's such limited information and what information there is out there is often contradictory or misreported by journalists or well meaning witnesses.

I really fear this will never be solved.

if Wendy took a phone call about William missing in the time that Donahue had said in his last statement then this is before the time of the 000 call.
Who would have called her?