Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[sleepinoz]

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Nobody has said anyone that has recently been discussed is a POI - Nobody. It was a discussion in regards to legalities.

In regards to "mentioning" others that were/could be/aren't/or are POI's - we have discussed all witnesses that have appeared at the Inquest, (GO DP AMS The Crabbs to name a few), just because some are favoured, doesn't mean we can't "mention" them.

 

[Sillybilly]

Thread is closed.

Check back in the morning.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

BS was a VERY public figure in William's case and it was obvious that police were treating him as a POI at the time. When he was facing charges about historical allegations, that was allowed for discussion until that case against him was thrown out by the judge.

SouthAussie's post was briefly removed for review and reinstated because it was not in any way discussing BS in any disparaging fashion or as a POI in William's case. It was very clear that SA was simply wondering about the legalities of how having the case against BS thrown out might have affected his future involvement in foster care. There was no insinuation or accusation against him in any fashion. It was obvious that SA's intent was solely to consider how that may relate to the FPs who are currently facing assault charges and, even if they are acquitted, how that may affect their future as it relates to being foster parents.

For other members to pile on and insinuate that SA was discussing BS as a POI or disparaging him in any way, is absolutely unacceptable when it was very clear what SA was referring to.

Sarcasm, general nastiness and personal attacks on another member and discussing removed posts or moderation are violations of Websleuths TOS.

If any member in this discussion has an issue about this, contact me via PM and do NOT discuss it further on this public thread.

 

[CocoChanel]

THREAD has now RE-OPENED.

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[Blues Clues]

I'd really like to give Harriet Grahame a penny for her thoughts.

Once the Task Force have completed the tasks she has given them and all the search and forensic testing results are in, what's next? Are the Task Force given an infinite amount of time to find evidence to prove their current theory? How long will she hold back on giving her findings? Is she waiting for an outcome of the current charges?

No-one is under more pressure than the FC's at present, but I reckon David Laidlaw and his team run a close second.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'd really like to give Harriet Grahame a penny for her thoughts.

Once the Task Force have completed the tasks she has given them and all the search and forensic testing results are in, what's next? Are the Task Force given an infinite amount of time to find evidence to prove their current theory? How long will she hold back on giving her findings? Is she waiting for an outcome of the current charges?

No-one is under more pressure than the FC's at present, but I reckon David Laidlaw and his team run a close second.

As the Unsolved Homicide squad are somehow involved already, I would say that the case is inching towards that squad's sole direction.

(I think that the Unsolved Homicide squad is another name for Cold Case squad.)

Maybe it will go there when David Laidlaw retires. And then the Coroner will release her findings.



The article is subscriber only, but the article says that David Laidlaw 'strove to assure the court everything that could have been done to find William had now been done' (dated 9th October 2020). So perhaps, if nothing from this search pans out, that will be it.
It doesn't say when Laidlaw plans to retire ... just that he is 'close to retirement'.
We can’t leave this to a 10-year-old to solve

 

[Blues Clues]

As the Unsolved Homicide squad are somehow involved already, I would say that the case is inching towards that squad's sole direction.

(I think that the Unsolved Homicide squad is another name for Cold Case squad.)

Maybe it will go there when David Laidlaw retires. And then the Coroner will release her findings.

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The article is subscriber only, but the article says that David Laidlaw 'strove to assure the court everything that could have been done to find William had now been done' (dated 9th October 2020). So perhaps, if nothing from this search pans out, that will be it.
It doesn't say when Laidlaw plans to retire ... just that he is 'close to retirement'.
We can’t leave this to a 10-year-old to solve

Not a reliable source unfortunately, but if this is correct DL's retirement must be just around the corner.

"Detective Chief Inspector Laidlaw joined the force as a trainee in 1977 and was stationed at Sutherland, where he performed general duties."

William's foster family led $141,000 search before persons of interest (msn.com)

 

[Awakening]

FF's lawyer for the lying charges Carly Hyde from MacDougall & Hyde lawyers

Gary Jubelin's lawyer Lauren MacDougall from MacDougall & Hyde lawyers.

MacDougall & Hydes Lawyers

The ironic Prosecution of Gary Jubelin — MacDougall & Hydes Lawyers

William Tyrrell's foster dad faces prison if guilty - as glamorous lawyer demands lengthy trial | Daily Mail Online

 

[iiiii's]

FF's lawyer for the lying charges Carly Hyde from MacDougall & Hyde lawyers

Gary Jubelin's lawyer Lauren MacDougall from MacDougall & Hyde lawyers.

MacDougall & Hydes Lawyers

The ironic Prosecution of Gary Jubelin — MacDougall & Hydes Lawyers

William Tyrrell's foster dad faces prison if guilty - as glamorous lawyer demands lengthy trial | Daily Mail Online

Interesting points from that article BBM. The ironic Prosecution of Gary Jubelin — MacDougall & Hydes Lawyers

*The court heard the officer-in-charge of the case, Detective Sergeant Craig Lambert, even thought the strike force should be investigating the local postie who had taken out the AVO against Savage.
But he was not widely supported. i support further investigation of the postie.

*A couple who lived on Benaroon Drive also told police they heard the sound of a car moving on a gravel driveway. Savage had a gravel driveway, the court heard. The end of Benaroon dr. was gravelly, so too was the FGM's lower driveway.

*He was at home by himself as his wife, who was alive in 2014, went to bingo and left the house about 10:30am. By the time of the inquest, it seems the time of WT's disappearance was being considered somewhere between 10.05 and 10.20. IMO

 

[Awakening]

Interesting points from that article BBM. The ironic Prosecution of Gary Jubelin — MacDougall & Hydes Lawyers

*The court heard the officer-in-charge of the case, Detective Sergeant Craig Lambert, even thought the strike force should be investigating the local postie who had taken out the AVO against Savage.
But he was not widely supported. i support further investigation of the postie.

*A couple who lived on Benaroon Drive also told police they heard the sound of a car moving on a gravel driveway. Savage had a gravel driveway, the court heard. The end of Benaroon dr. was gravelly, so too was the FGM's lower driveway.

*He was at home by himself as his wife, who was alive in 2014, went to bingo and left the house about 10:30am. By the time of the inquest, it seems the time of WT's disappearance was being considered somewhere between 10.05 and 10.20. IMO

Yes it's a long article but very interesting read.

 

[Blues Clues]

Interesting points from that article BBM. The ironic Prosecution of Gary Jubelin — MacDougall & Hydes Lawyers

*The court heard the officer-in-charge of the case, Detective Sergeant Craig Lambert, even thought the strike force should be investigating the local postie who had taken out the AVO against Savage.
But he was not widely supported. i support further investigation of the postie.

*A couple who lived on Benaroon Drive also told police they heard the sound of a car moving on a gravel driveway. Savage had a gravel driveway, the court heard. The end of Benaroon dr. was gravelly, so too was the FGM's lower driveway.

*He was at home by himself as his wife, who was alive in 2014, went to bingo and left the house about 10:30am. By the time of the inquest, it seems the time of WT's disappearance was being considered somewhere between 10.05 and 10.20. IMO

The postie and the gravel are two areas I'd like to hear more clarification on.

Someone may know, I'm unsure how it was verified the postie was in the street earlier than usual that day, you would think it was investigated quite heavily. Even so, the postie is a person who had a reason to be in the street that morning and also someone who had reason to panic and leave the street quickly if she didn't want to encounter that man who she had taken the AVO out against IMO. It would be interesting to have Lamberts thoughts around that.

It would also help to know where the postie usually turned. We could assume it wouldn't be PS's driveway as she would be avoiding him. The Crabbes said it sounded just like the postie which suggests the car turned on the same gravel the postie normally turns on IMO. In that case does it only leave the gravel at very end of Benaroon Dr past the Crabbes as the gravel they heard the car turn on?

Going by this photo the lower drive at 48 was more grass than gravel at the time - I don't think a car would be heard on that driveway in a similar way a car would be heard on gravel IMO

 

[iiiii's]

The postie and the gravel are two areas I'd like to hear more clarification on.

Someone may know, I'm unsure how it was verified the postie was in the street earlier than usual that day, you would think it was investigated quite heavily. Even so, the postie is a person who had a reason to be in the street that morning and also someone who had reason to panic and leave the street quickly if she didn't want to encounter that man who she had taken the AVO out against IMO. It would be interesting to have Lamberts thoughts around that.

It would also help to know where the postie usually turned. We could assume it wouldn't be PS's driveway as she would be avoiding him. The Crabbes said it sounded just like the postie which suggests the car turned on the same gravel the postie normally turns on IMO. In that case does it only leave the gravel at very end of Benaroon Dr past the Crabbes as the gravel they heard the car turn on?

Going by this photo the lower drive at 48 was more grass than gravel at the time - I don't think a car would be heard on that driveway in a similar way a car would be heard on gravel IMO

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Don't want to be starting rumours but I thought earlier in the threads there was mention of the postie having a visit with FGM at some stage and I find it interesting that both seemed to find PS to be a pest that they had to take action with, one with and AVO and the other , having a talk with his wife to stop him from just coming over. The street view pictures of that time show much better the amount of gravel on towards the edge og the drive. Can't see it in that pic.

 

[Blues Clues]

Don't want to be starting rumours but I thought earlier in the threads there was mention of the postie having a visit with FGM at some stage and I find it interesting that both seemed to find PS to be a pest that they had to take action with, one with and AVO and the other , having a talk with his wife to stop him from just coming over. The street view pictures of that time show much better the amount of gravel on towards the edge og the drive. Can't see it in that pic.

Do you mean this view from 2010 4 years earlier? Or do you have a street view from the relative time?

 

[SouthAussie]

The postie and the gravel are two areas I'd like to hear more clarification on.

Someone may know, I'm unsure how it was verified the postie was in the street earlier than usual that day, you would think it was investigated quite heavily. Even so, the postie is a person who had a reason to be in the street that morning and also someone who had reason to panic and leave the street quickly if she didn't want to encounter that man who she had taken the AVO out against IMO. It would be interesting to have Lamberts thoughts around that.
<RSBM>

From back in Thread 52 .....

Lia Harris: "The post woman delivered the mail around ten or ten-thirty each morning, which is the time that William disappeared on September 12, 2014. And the court heard: on that particular morning she had delivered the mail earlier than she normally did. And when she did that [PS] was on his bushwalk, so he wouldn't necessarily have been aware that she had already delivered the mail that morning."

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

 

[JLZ]

From back in Thread 52 .....

Lia Harris: "The post woman delivered the mail around ten or ten-thirty each morning, which is the time that William disappeared on September 12, 2014. And the court heard: on that particular morning she had delivered the mail earlier than she normally did. And when she did that [PS] was on his bushwalk, so he wouldn't necessarily have been aware that she had already delivered the mail that morning."

Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #52

Very early if she was gone before 8:50.

 

[iiiii's]

Very early if she was gone before 8:50.

Wish we knew what time, to fill in the timeline. Just know she sent her timesheets through to the coroner.

 

[JLZ]

Wish we knew what time, to fill in the timeline. Just know she sent her timesheets through to the coroner.

I would also like to know if she gave a reason for deviating from her routine. From memory, PS returned from his walk half an hour later than usual; so if her aim was to avoid him, she would have needed to be earlier still.

 

[iiiii's]

Do you mean this view from 2010 4 years earlier? Or do you have a street view from the relative time?


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There have been relative streetviews past 2010 and before the 1st sale of the house, but they are no longer there, so I'll say IMO.

 

[sleepinoz]

There have been relative streetviews past 2010 and before the 1st sale of the house, but they are no longer there, so I'll say IMO.

There is this one, that I believe is from the second sale in March 2016 - there were no photo's of the sale in 2014 (FGM Sale) - so I'd have to guess that the new owner put the gravel on the drive. Actually looks like part cement and part gravel.

48 Benaroon Drive, Kendall NSW 2439 | Allhomes

 

[Warshawski]

Don't want to be starting rumours but I thought earlier in the threads there was mention of the postie having a visit with FGM at some stage and I find it interesting that both seemed to find PS to be a pest that they had to take action with, one with and AVO and the other , having a talk with his wife to stop him from just coming over. The street view pictures of that time show much better the amount of gravel on towards the edge og the drive. Can't see it in that pic.

that’s interesting iiii’s, I’d not heard about that - do you have a link please