Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[katydid23]

Poor William as more dirt comes out on the FP . I am glad the sister got removed from their care.

Moo

If all of this is because of the pressure purposely put forth by the investigators, to try and make the f family crack, then I will be very angry. It is still possible they are innocent and all of this is traced back to this heightened investigation. I saw what it did to previous POIs and it looks very similar, imo.

What if their foster daughter was told by her bio family that her foster parents killed her little brother? Would that create an intense confrontation, in which the child said she was leaving their home and they tried to stop her from running out into the night?

And then that gives LE the chance to charge them with child abuse. And later the parents try to track their foster daughter down to try and explain their innocence, and then ends in stalking charges?

I could be wrong. But I can easily envision it being something along these lines.

If the foster parents were evil abusive killers, why did it take this many years for them to show their abusive natures? It seems to me that it didn't happen until the renewed investigation began. And that makes me suspicious of the investigators more than of the Foster parents.

JMO IMO MOO

 

[Blues Clues]

It seems the stalking charge <Admin Note: charge in the above referenced case, not William's case> was brought about because he spotted the wife at the motel and went over to speak to her at which time the alledged assault happened.

I could be wrong but I think the alledged assault of LT happened in their home, so I don't think a stalking charge could be applied.

Although, I guess if it was all to do with the same incident then maybe after LT was assaulted, she left the home and then the fosters tracked her down (stalking) and tried to make her come home (intimidation)?

I don't buy anything that I have written but who knows...

I'll entertain any idea rather than form a concrete opinion, that way I can look at things without bias.

Could also be a fall from a horse.....

 

[katydid23]

<modsnip: Referenced info was edited to clarify>


If these alleged stalking charges are because the FF was stalking the FM, and vice versa---then I don't think it has anything to do with William at all. JMO

 

[sleepinoz]

It seems the stalking charge <Admin Note: charge in the above referenced case, not William's case> was brought about because he spotted the wife at the motel and went over to speak to her at which time the alledged assault happened.

I could be wrong but I think the alledged assault of LT happened in their home, so I don't think a stalking charge could be applied.

Although, I guess if it was all to do with the same incident then maybe after LT was assaulted, she left the home and then the fosters tracked her down (stalking) and tried to make her come home (intimidation)?

I don't buy anything that I have written but who knows...

I'll entertain any idea rather than form a concrete opinion, that way I can look at things without bias.

Well that made it all confusing

 

[inkpink]

Well that made it all confusing

SA posted a link about a situation when a stalking and intimidation charge was applied at the same time an AVO was.

This is what I replied to...

 

[sleepinoz]

<modsnip>
Totally disagree with your statement that they are “picking POI’s out of a hat”

Imo could be seen as pretty disrespectful towards current LE. The charge list the POI’s may not be directly related to the disappearance of WT but is definitely defining of their character and could link up to the case in time IMO

Your welcome to disagree, as I do with you.

I'm not being disrespectful intentionally, as many members are probably not intentionally disrespectful to other LE.

As pointed out, IYO these charges definitely define their (ffc & mfc) character - it could also be said that the charges against BS definitely defined his character - IMO.

He was charged for Historical Child Sex abuse against 2 girls, in two different states - yes the charges didn't lead anywhere "eventually" but it seems to be the same situation IMO.

So does it define one's character just because they have been charged?

If and when the outcome is a guilty verdict, that would be a different situation.

 

[sleepinoz]

SA posted a link about a situation when a stalking and intimidation charge was applied at the same time an AVO was.

This is what I replied to...

All good Ink

 

[JBowie]

It seems the stalking charge <Admin Note: charge in the above referenced case, not William's case> was brought about because he spotted the wife at the motel and went over to speak to her at which time the alledged assault happened.

Which motel was this? First I've heard of a motel being involved.

 

[inkpink]

Which motel was this? First I've heard of a motel being involved.

The motel reference is in regard to the below, nothing to do with WT...

I think it is interesting that there are two counts of alleged assault against the FM, and one count of alleged assault against the FD.
And there are two counts of alleged stalking and intimidation against the FM, and (if true) one count of alleged stalking and intimidation against the FD.

Are these somehow linked? As in, they arose from the same event(s)?

In NSW, can alleged assault be expanded to be alleged assault, and alleged stalking and intimidation at the same time?

It seems it can.


Our client was charged with common assault (domestic violence related) pursuant to section 61 of the Crimes Act 1900 and stalk/intimidate (domestic violence related) pursuant to section 13 of the Crimes (Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007.
Assault & intimidation charges | AVO (case study) | NGM Lawyers

 

[JBowie]

The motel reference is in regard to the below, nothing to do with WT...

OK, so it's in a domestic violence case study.

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

Your welcome to disagree, as I do with you.

I'm not being disrespectful intentionally, as many members are probably not intentionally disrespectful to other LE.

As pointed out, IYO these charges definitely define their (ffc & mfc) character - it could also be said that the charges against BS definitely defined his character - IMO.

He was charged for Historical Child Sex abuse against 2 girls, in two different states - yes the charges didn't lead anywhere "eventually" but it seems to be the same situation IMO.

So does it define one's character just because they have been charged?

If and when the outcome is a guilty verdict, that would be a different situation.

All good, I should’ve put respectfully disagree on my post, as even though it’s ok to disagree, it would’ve been morally better to put that in there out of courtesy.

I guess before BS had his alibi for the Friday morning confirmed then had the historical charges dropped he would’ve looked guilty too. There’s a lot of public outcry to solve the case because a very young boy is involved.

From my point of view LE would be wary at this point because of what has happened before in this investigation, and must have very solid leads to be doing what they’re doing or there will be even more negativity. They seem to be applying pressure and implying they know a lot but it must take time to gather evidence, conduct interviews and go through the timely court process.

 

[sleepinoz]

All good, I should’ve put respectfully disagree on my post, as even though it’s ok to disagree, it would’ve been morally better to put that in there out of courtesy.

I guess before BS had his alibi for the Friday morning confirmed then had the historical charges dropped he would’ve looked guilty too. There’s a lot of public outcry to solve the case because a very young boy is involved.

From my point of view LE would be wary at this point because of what has happened before in this investigation, and must have very solid leads to be doing what they’re doing or there will be even more negativity. They seem to be applying pressure and implying they know a lot but it must take time to gather evidence, conduct interviews and go through the timely court process.

BBM - can you please advise what happened before this investigation?

I will also add, that they had very solid leads to investigate BS and others. Pressure has been applied to many over the 7+ years and will continue to be so until they have a resolution.

IMO they are applying pressure as a last resort, before retirement IMO, when nobody gives a damm - IYKWIM.

At this stage I think the earth opened up and swallowed William - the Police have nothing AFAICS.

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

BBM - can you please advise what happened before this investigation?

I will also add, that they had very solid leads to investigate BS and others. Pressure has been applied to many over the 7+ years and will continue to be so until they have a resolution.

IMO they are applying pressure as a last resort, before retirement IMO, when nobody gives a damm - IYKWIM.

At this stage I think the earth opened up and swallowed William - the Police have nothing AFAICS.

I was referring to them investigating BS and PS rather vigorously previously imo. Understand that currently it may be looking similar- but with ongoing charges and investigations many will be hopefully of a result this time.

 

[sleepinoz]

I was referring to them investigating BS and PS rather vigorously previously imo. Understand that currently it may be looking similar- but with ongoing charges and investigations many will be hopefully of a result this time.

I think we are all hoping for a result - just the right one.

 

[iiiii's]

So stalking and intimidation, sound like charges that are in breach of an AVO. So much information overload with this case, were the FP's under an AVO with the alleged child victim? If so, then the police may be deciding that anything that whiffs of a breach, they will pursue with a charge and be deciding that in regards to this couple they are going to be very iron fisted. There could be a number of reasons, Firstly, my hope is that they care very much about the protection of this child, however my cynical view is that they are using every wrong move to apply pressure. IMO

 

[Underbelly]

So stalking and intimidation, sound like charges that are in breach of an AVO. So much information overload with this case, were the FP's under an AVO with the alleged child victim? If so, then the police may be deciding that anything that whiffs of a breach, they will pursue with a charge and be deciding that in regards to this couple they are going to be very iron fisted. There could be a number of reasons, Firstly, my hope is that they care very much about the protection of this child, however my cynical view is that they are using every wrong move to apply pressure. IMO

I believe if they'd breached the AVO they'd have been charged with a breach of the AVO.

 

[Warshawski]

I think we are all hoping for a result - just the right one.

I agree Sleep, and I think we all hope the ‘result’ will come sooner rather than later.

IMO, to have the answer to what happened to William + the bringing to justice of anyone with a hand in that occurrence, can’t be anything but ‘the right result’. How could it be ‘wrong’ since that’s what we’ve all spent 7 + years striving for ?

 

[SouthAussie]

I believe if they'd breached the AVO they'd have been charged with a breach of the AVO.

Yes, I don't think that a defendant can stalk and intimidate the PINOP (person in need of protection) without breaching the AVO.
And presumably being charged for breaching it, as opposed to being charged with stalking and intimidation.


These are mandatory/standard AVO conditions in NSW - then additional conditions (in link) may or may not apply.

• Not to assault or threaten the PINOP or anyone else within a 'domestic relationship' with the PINOP.
• Not to stalk, harass or intimidate the PINOP or anyone else the PINOP has a domestic relationship with.
• Not to intentionally or recklessly destroy or damage the PINOP's property, or any such property in the PINOP's possession, or any property of a person who has a domestic relationship with the PINOP.

Complete guide to the breach of AVO laws in New South Wales - Criminal Law - Australia

 

[MissMarpleAU]

I wonder if it was 'stalking and intimidation' of whomever is now caring for W's sister?

I’m a social worker and If that was the case, FACS would also need to explain how a break in confidentiality of child placement occurred

 

[gregjrichards]

EXCLUSIVE: William Tyrrell's foster parents hold massive fire sale of children's bikes, car seats, prams, furniture and a WATER TANK with items as low as $5 - just days after being charged with stalking

William Tyrrell's foster parents hold massive sale of children's bikes, clothes, and a water tank | Daily Mail Online