Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #68

[Blues Clues]

Genuine question - If the former foster parents of William Tyrrell no longer have foster children, why are their identities still hidden?

It's likely the Assistant Coroner's main purpose for imposing NPO's on both families is to protect ALL the children. Even though the FC's no longer have children in their care, the children who were can be identified by association by all those who know the children and the FC's. Jmoo

 

[EllaN1]

Seems they’ve done a good job with the clean up / clear out there. .. wonder if they’ll come do the same in my garage ?

However, in all seriousness, & IMO, this is ridiculous reporting. It’s normal for people to do a clear out of stuff that’s not used / no longer needed.

To be honest most of these items could be from a deceased estate or older person who is downsizing. FP is selling them , so could be from his side of the family. We don't know anything about his parents.


I think the FP's are suffering from post traumatic stress and may have severe mental health issues. How would we cope if this had happened to us , a child in our care went missing and we had to live with the knowledge that the child was probably brutally murdered. I probably wouldn't always be on my best behaviour that's for sure.

 

[SleepyJoe]

To be honest most of these items could be from a deceased estate or older person who is downsizing. FP is selling them , so could be from his side of the family. We don't know anything about his parents.


I think the FP's are suffering from post traumatic stress and may have severe mental health issues. How would we cope if this had happened to us , a child in our care went missing and we had to live with the knowledge that the child was probably brutally murdered. I probably wouldn't always be on my best behaviour that's for sure.

BBM. Well, I'm sure your concern for the mental health of the former foster carers is heartfelt, but I think how any on US would feel in similar circumstances depends on whether we were responsible for the disappearance of that child or not! You are assuming that they are innocent of being involved in William's disappearance and would be feeling severe distress at being so unfairly targeted. However, it seems Strike Force Rosann detectives may not agree with you and are seriously questioning whether that assumption of innocence, which they have enjoyed for so long, is true.

 

[Detective Willy]

My question is why would BOTH of William’s Foster Carers be telling lies to the Crime Commission? What did they allegedly lie about? Is it something relatively minor or is it directly linked to them knowing what happened to William and covering it up?

 

[SleepyJoe]

My question is why would BOTH of William’s Foster Carers be telling lies to the Crime Commission? What did they allegedly lie about? Is it something relatively minor or is it directly linked to them knowing what happened to William and covering it up?

I highly doubt that the NSWCC, set up to investigate and solve serious and organised crime, would involve themselves in something "relatively minor".

 

[bearbear]

i wonder if these secret recordings are from a covert listening operation on the ff or if its just the interviews where they allegedly lied which were secretly recorded,
isnt the person being interviewed usually made aware theyre being recorded though?

Secret audio recordings from the state's top crime-fighting body will be played when William Tyrrell's foster father faces a two-day hearing in Sydney later this year.
Secret recordings to be played at hearing as William Tyrrell's foster father denies giving false evidence

 

[Karin1974]

It's likely the Assistant Coroner's main purpose for imposing NPO's on both families is to protect ALL the children. Even though the FC's no longer have children in their care, the children who were can be identified by association by all those who know the children and the FC's. Jmoo

I understand, however, just a hypothetical, if it came out they were guilty of doing something to William, they have been protected for over 7 years & are continuing to be protected & I just don’t think it is fair, all imo

 

[SouthAussie]

I understand, however, just a hypothetical, if it came out they were guilty of doing something to William, they have been protected for over 7 years & are continuing to be protected & I just don’t think it is fair, all imo

There is plenty of time for bad feelings towards them, if they are found guilty of doing something to William.

No need to pre-empt it, because if they are innocent that wouldn't be fair either.

imo

 

[Eloise]

Yes


The foster mother of missing boy William Tyrrell has been charged with lying to the NSW Crime Commission.

The 56-year-old woman has been ordered to appear in court by Strike Force detectives who allege she knowingly lied in a hearing, NSW Police told AAP on Thursday.

"On Tuesday 12 April, Strike Force Rosann detectives issued a future court attendance notice to a 56-year-old woman for knowingly giving false or misleading evidence at a hearing," NSW Police said in a statement.

"She remains before the courts.

"Investigations under Strike Force Rosann are continuing."

The charges relate to evidence the foster mother gave at a hearing before the NSW Crime Commission, and are not related to the operations of NSW Police.

ibbm
I'm not sure either. I remember the Strikeforce were responsible for bringing charges against BS, that were unrelated to WT's case, so I guess they further other things they may unearth in their investigations. Do the strikeforce refer things to the NSWCC and then further proceedings from that process? If the FP's are not in front of the commission for homicide, organised crime, terrorism or serious crime, could they be fronting the commission for unexplained assets? That seems to be another branch the commission deals with.

That's what I tend to think, tbh. There's been a lot of money involved in the search for William, and as foster parents they also were being paid money by the state. I'd say this is more about the cops trying to get them on that front. As terrible as the (assumed) murder of a 3yo is, unless its related to organised crime or terrorism, the NSW Crime Commission would generally have nothing to do with it... regular detectives of NSW Police deal with domestic murders, even the most awful ones. But the Crime Commission does involve themselves when there is money to be recovered.

I understand, however, just a hypothetical, if it came out they were guilty of doing something to William, they have been protected for over 7 years & are continuing to be protected & I just don’t think it is fair, all imo

It's not about protecting them, it's about protecting LT. Maybe now that she's not in their custody - she was during the inquest - this will change eventually but for now it stands.

 

[Detective Willy]

I highly doubt that the NSWCC, set up to investigate and solve serious and organised crime, would involve themselves in something "relatively minor".

Thanks Joe me too. I just wanted someone else to say it.

 

[Karin1974]

There is plenty of time for bad feelings towards them, if they are found guilty of doing something to William.

No need to pre-empt it, because if they are innocent that wouldn't be fair either.

imo

Sorry, not trying to pre-empt, however, I have thought from the start that hiding their identities has hindered this investigation & what a sh*t show it will become if they are guilty. I go back & forth (In my own head) with my opinions on what has happened to William & just wish the truth would be found.

 

[seekingjustice**]

I understand, however, just a hypothetical, if it came out they were guilty of doing something to William, they have been protected for over 7 years & are continuing to be protected & I just don’t think it is fair, all imo

I understand the reason for the name suppression however I do feel that it's also been a barrier to solving William's disappearance. For instance, there could be some relevant information out there about the FC's movements on that day, however without seeing their photo, people cannot report it. One other thing that I find tricky with this case is that we are usually able to sleuth a POI and really dig into their background history etc to help develop a clearer picture of who they are.

 

[SouthAussie]

Sorry, not trying to pre-empt, however, I have thought from the start that hiding their identities has hindered this investigation & what a show it will become if they are guilty.

Understood. But that ship sailed a long time ago.

To date, FACS laws, the Supreme Court, and the Coroners Court have all prohibited the naming of any of the parents - to protect all of the children's privacy. It is what it is.

imo

 

[Underbelly]

BBM. Well, I'm sure your concern for the mental health of the former foster carers is heartfelt, but I think how any on US would feel in similar circumstances depends on whether we were responsible for the disappearance of that child or not! You are assuming that they are innocent of being involved in William's disappearance and would be feeling severe distress at being so unfairly targeted. However, it seems Strike Force Rosann detectives may not agree with you and are seriously questioning whether that assumption of innocence, which they have enjoyed for so long, is true.

People have the right to presume innocence until proven guilty and it's a fundamental of our legal system. It may well not be a tactic from Strikeforce Rosann to apply pressure - all of these charges may well have been because of things they found along the way and it's their duty to lay charges, regardless of the ongoing investigation into William's disappearance, for which they need 'separate' evidence.

Believing is one thing, evidence is another, and I'm sure many in here are waiting for some actual evidence before believing or presuming guilt.

 

[Underbelly]

I understand, however, just a hypothetical, if it came out they were guilty of doing something to William, they have been protected for over 7 years & are continuing to be protected & I just don’t think it is fair, all imo

How have they been "protected"? Presumed innocent you mean?

 

[Karin1974]

I understand the reason for the name suppression however I do feel that it's also been a barrier to solving William's disappearance. For instance, there could be some relevant information out there about the FC's movements on that day, however without seeing their photo, people cannot report it. One other thing that I find tricky with this case is that we are usually able to sleuth a POI and really dig into their background history etc to help develop a clearer picture of who they are.

Yes, yes, you’ve articulated my thoughts better than I did, it’s not that I think they are guilty of anything but not being able to sleuth them like we could other POI’s is a little frustrating.

 

[Karin1974]

I understand the reason for the name suppression however I do feel that it's also been a barrier to solving William's disappearance. For instance, there could be some relevant information out there about the FC's movements on that day, however without seeing their photo, people cannot report it. One other thing that I find tricky with this case is that we are usually able to sleuth a POI and really dig into their background history etc to help develop a clearer picture of who they are.

Yes, yes, you’ve articulated my thoughts better than I did, it’s not that I think they are guilty of anything but not being able to sleuth them like we could other POI’s is a little frustrating.

How have they been "protected"? Presumed innocent you mean?

No, they’re identity has been completely protected, I don’t know who they are or what they look like.

 

[seekingjustice**]

Yes, yes, you’ve articulated my thoughts better than I did, it’s not that I think they are guilty of anything but not being able to sleuth them like we could other POI’s is a little frustrating.

It's actually impossible to form any type of opinion on the foster carer/s situation, without knowing anything about them as POI which means we are likely using our own bias to fill in the missing pieces rather than actual facts.

 

[Travelling Wilbury]

People have the right to presume innocence until proven guilty and it's a fundamental of our legal system. It may well not be a tactic from Strikeforce Rosann to apply pressure - all of these charges may well have been because of things they found along the way and it's their duty to lay charges, regardless of the ongoing investigation into William's disappearance, for which they need 'separate' evidence.

Believing is one thing, evidence is another, and I'm sure many in here are waiting for some actual evidence before believing or presuming guilt.

Agree that they deserve to be presumed innocent until proven guilty- but there’s just something about the current investigations and these little snippets of information being reported in the press, a charge bag growing and growing, names being left on the court listings, that leads me to believe the police are confident about a result and are just gathering more and more info. Plus applying pressure to do that.
If they’ve gone to this much trouble they’ve left themselves open to get into a lot of trouble and public backlash if it leads to nothing. I realise it has happened before, but you just about put money on it they won’t let it happen again. Fair chance someone high up, has said you better get a result or we’ll all look like fools. IMO

There’s nothing worse for a govt department than getting bad press, it always results in action

 

[asyousay]

I don’t believe this is some kind of stitch up on the family. With the way the Australia police work and the fact the family have had complete anonymity means that IF they are guilty a lot of blame is going to be thrown around and LE/ Governments and how the case was handled from the get go. This will reflect very badly on all involved IF found guilty.


So I don’t believe anybody wanted this outcome if it does play out this way.

MOO