Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sep 2014 - #73

[SLouTh]

Does he have any ideas about how to progress the investigation?

No ….. there are none stated …
It seems like he thinks the case should progress to “unsolved” …
imo

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Does he have any ideas about how to progress the investigation?

It's not his job to progress the investigation, or work with the Police to progress it.

 

[bfew]

It seems like he thinks the case should progress to “unsolved” …

The case is already unsolved.
He says the case is already classified as unsolved.
He does not say that the case should progress to unsolved.

Note: I've read both different versions of the paywalled full article (digital paper, and online version).

 

[TootsieFootsie]

It seems like he thinks the case should progress to “unsolved”

No I don't think he said that's what he thought should happen.

He said "if" that happens so be it, the ends don't justify the means.

 

[SLouTh]

There was another article last night - NSW Police paid out almost $40 Million in the last year ….

Almost $40 million in hush money was forked out last year by NSW Police to members of the public who claimed they had been mistreated by officers.
The number of successful claims skyrocketed for things such as wrongful arrest, unlawful searches, malicious prosecution and assault, with 457 people paid out last year.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/millions-in-hush-money-paid-for-claims-of-police-misconduct/news-story/82e506672484dbf85be9d19101d4359a

 

[SLouTh]

The case is already unsolved.
He says the case is already classified as unsolved.
He does not say that the case should progress to unsolved.

Note: I've read both different versions of the paywalled full article (digital paper, and online version).

We have only ever read that case has gone to the Cold Case area.
I consider “unsolved” to be separate to “cold case” and that is what I was implying …

Edit to add, like toss it aside … to “unsolved” … meaning to me “not solvable ”
But JMO

 

[JLZ]

We have only ever read that case has gone to the Cold Case area.
I consider “unsolved” to be separate to “cold case” and that is what I was implying …
But JMO

I wish I'd waited another minute before asking, because your paraphrase told me what I wanted to know. Thank you.

 

[Couldbe]

We have only ever read that case has gone to the Cold Case area.
I consider “unsolved” to be separate to “cold case” and that is what I was implying …

Edit to add, like toss it aside … to “unsolved” … meaning to me “not solvable ”
But JMO

What happened to William Tyrrell?
Unsolved … Unheard … Unfound … Unconquered … Unresolved … Unconcluded

 

[SLouTh]

What happened to William Tyrrell?
Unsolved … Unheard … Unfound … Unconquered … Unresolved … Unconcluded

I am starting to think we will never know …..

 

[iiiii's]

RSBM

He also states that the NSWCC should state the intention of their involvement, in this case, but he says they never will …

Things that we all know, and I think we also know that this case is heading to unsolved ….. and most likely an open coroner‘s finding …

Does he mean that the NSWCC should state their intention publicly because I thought they did state their intention when calling the FFFC to the Commission, that they were looking for the body of William Tyrrell.

I'm starting to feel pretty shirty that whenever something happens with the FFFC, there is some professional or an ex cop with a grudge or whatever, basically saying that the motivations/methods behind the investigation are wrong. I didn't see that in regards to BS when they used the same tactics on him. I have a strange intuition that PR company hired to manage the "official website" also call on others to write articles and weigh in wherever possible. Why are they the ones accompanying the FFFC to court this week and delivering statements to the press when GJ was found guilty. I am suspicous of their whole role this PR company that was good at getting govt. contracts. Are they working for the FP's, the police or the government? IMO

 

[SLouTh]

Does he mean that the NSWCC should state their intention publicly because I thought they did state their intention when calling the FFFC to the Commission, that they were looking for the body of William Tyrrell.

I think he meant why were the NSWCC involved at all???? What was the reason for them to be involved in William’s case, when the matter was already being handled by NSW Police SFR and the Coroner …. ????

That is my interpretation of the statement.

 

[SouthAussie]

No I don't think he said that's what he thought should happen.

He said "if" that happens so be it, the ends don't justify the means.

He also says in the article that this investigation is "a classic example of chaos". Where the end does not justify the means.

 

[Curiouser+Curiouser]

If FM was such a skilled manipulator she wouldn't have been having issues with a 10 year old child. She would skillfully have manipulated the child to favourable or more peaceful outcomes.

There is absolutely no evidence that FM has been skillfully manipulating. She doesn't appear to have such a skill.

imo

At the moment, you're right, it's a matter of opinion.

My opinion is that FFC fooled FACS into thinking she and her husband would be suitable foster carers for small children, fooled someone into keeping her identify quiet for years, fooled Gary Jubelin and threw the neighbour under the bus, hit a child with a wooden spoon to allegedly 'break her', hit and kicked a child, gave police and media varying stories about William and was unable to present and maintain a consistent timeline of events the morning William went missing.

I don't know about you but I don't want her in my bookgroup.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Does he mean that the NSWCC should state their intention publicly because I thought they did state their intention when calling the FFFC to the Commission, that they were looking for the body of William Tyrrell.

I'm starting to feel pretty shirty that whenever something happens with the FFFC, there is some professional or an ex cop with a grudge or whatever, basically saying that the motivations/methods behind the investigation are wrong. I didn't see that in regards to BS when they used the same tactics on him. I have a strange intuition that PR company hired to manage the "official website" also call on others to write articles and weigh in wherever possible. Why are they the ones accompanying the FFFC to court this week and delivering statements to the press when GJ was found guilty. I am suspicous of their whole role this PR company that was good at getting govt. contracts. Are they working for the FP's, the police or the government? IMO

The PR company would have no influence of the media, otherwise we wouldn’t see the absolute garbage spat out by the daily mail. I’m not sure what is so hard to understand about the PR ladies forming a friendship with the fosters?

 

[iiiii's]

The PR company would have no influence of the media, otherwise we wouldn’t see the absolute garbage spat out by the daily mail. I’m not sure what is so hard to understand about the PR ladies forming a friendship with the fosters?

I imagine "the friendship" would have been very strained at times, working for this couple pro bono and then hearing that one is a suspect and they are both going to be facing court for fraud, child abuse/stalking, losing a child in your care...

 

[iiiii's]

He also says in the article that this investigation is "a classic example of chaos". Where the end does not justify the means.

Who is he again please? Has be been working on the case at all?

 

[LolaAngelina]

I imagine "the friendship" would have been very strained at times, working for this couple pro bono and then hearing that one is a suspect and they are both going to be facing court for fraud, child abuse/stalking, losing a child in your care...

Doesn’t seem strained at all since they are turning up at court to support them

 

[iiiii's]

I think he meant why were the NSWCC involved at all???? What was the reason for them to be involved in William’s case, when the matter was already being handled by NSW Police SFR and the Coroner …. ????

That is my interpretation of the statement.

Could he not guess with all his qualifications that the NSWCC was another forum to use its special powers to compel the FFFC to give evidence she may well have been withholding and keep the matter private. As the prosecutor said, they could make WT's apparent accident scenario make it look like it wasn't connected to her. Case resolved, remains found, no ramifications. If they had put these questions to the FFFC in the coroners court she could have applied for a certificate to not comply under the grounds that she may self incriminate and everyone would have known she was a suspect. They don't have the evidence to charge her, but she is the logical suspect. If they charged her, she would just clam up. IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Who is he again please? Has be been working on the case at all?

If you read back over the past couple of pages, I have provided the blurb about his credentials.

I think it is a good thing that we have a professional police trainer who is willing to give his opinions on this case.

At least several of us have observed the political push in this investigation, right around the time the selection of a new police commissioner was underway. So to have that opinion reflected in the observations of a police trainer tells some of us that we are likely on the right track.

imo

 

[iiiii's]

The PR company would have no influence of the media, otherwise we wouldn’t see the absolute garbage spat out by the daily mail. I’m not sure what is so hard to understand about the PR ladies forming a friendship with the fosters?

I respectfully disagree with your speculation.