Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #31

[frogwell]

Yes, it does. But it would be treated as if he was entirely on his own that morning, by the investigating police. They would find out where everyone was, and verify that as best they could. The focus would have been on the last people (other than the abductor) to see him initially. Then they would have worked outwards from there.

That is why the parents would have been the first ones to be cleared.

The police always work from the inside, the people closest at the time, then outwards.

Wonder what it was that they were able to produce to clear them from having anything to do with WT's disappearance, within the first few days of the investigation?

 

[they'll get you]

I found several metal recyclers in the Port area.
TJ collected steel for cash & BS removed old machines.
Could William been put into an old washing machine and dumped or crushed somewhere.
Sorry if I offend but I’m sleuthing a possibility.

Brendan Vollmost's body has never been found since his 2015 disappearance but on Tuesday one of his accused killers admitted the gruesome method used to dispose of his remains.

"He was placed in a large toolbox. I loaded up the back of the ute and took it to a scrap metal yard," Jack Davies told his murder trial.

"There was a machine literally pressing down on the roof as I was about to leave."



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/four-charged-over-suspected-murder-of-brendan-vollmost/6745776

Distraught mother runs from court room after hearing gruesome details of son’s death


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[SouthAussie]

Wonder what it was that they were able to produce to clear them from having anything to do with WT's disappearance, within the first few days of the investigation?

I think we touched on this a little earlier ... when we wondered what evidence had turned the detectives' heads towards abduction. Something pretty swaying.

What was it that 'told' that first officer or two, on the first afternoon, that this was likely a child abduction?

It would be good to know that answer.

Why were they searching for a car part that may have become detached from a vehicle?

Why were they searching for something that may have been thrown from a vehicle?

What had been noticed/spoken of/tipped/discovered that led to all of these things?

Is it true that no-one saw anyone else on the street that morning? Or is a witness(es) being protected?

What are the hundreds of things that we do not know?

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[Credulious]

I found several metal recyclers in the Port area.
TJ collected steel for cash & BS removed old machines.
Could William been put into an old washing machine and dumped or crushed somewhere.
Sorry if I offend but I’m sleuthing a possibility.

Brendan Vollmost's body has never been found since his 2015 disappearance but on Tuesday one of his accused killers admitted the gruesome method used to dispose of his remains.

"He was placed in a large toolbox. I loaded up the back of the ute and took it to a scrap metal yard," Jack Davies told his murder trial.

"There was a machine literally pressing down on the roof as I was about to leave."



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/four-charged-over-suspected-murder-of-brendan-vollmost/6745776

Distraught mother runs from court room after hearing gruesome details of son’s death

I would have thought machines are checked as some items sneak into machines. You can imagine if they crushed an LPG cylinder. It wouldn't have looked pretty.

I'm going with water or long distance travel by an associate.

 

[Whàngarei]

Yet no morning phone records on the phone

I wonder what time fgm woke?

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder what time fgm woke?

You would think that the morning call would have been made at 8:30 am or later. I don't know that anyone is impoilite enough to call a tradesperson earlier (even though all the tradespeople that I personally know through work - which is a team of about 30 - start at 7:30am ... client calls don't start happening until 8:30-9am).

 

[Whàngarei]

I wonder about the vehicle that did u turn .did it stop? Was the only scent st the end of the drive way Williams

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder about the vehicle that did u turn .did it stop? Was the only scent st the end of the drive way Williams

One thought about that vehicle is ... have you ever turned down a street, found it was a dead end, and had to turn back again?

Google has steered me that way sometimes, I have done it all by myself at other times. Once we ended up at a country cemetery - thanks to Google - when we were trying to get to a country racetrack.

 

[Whàngarei]

You would think that the morning call would have been made at 8:30 am or later. I don't know that anyone is impoilite enough to call a tradesperson earlier (even though all the tradespeople that I personally know through work - which is a team of about 30 - start at 7:30am ... client calls don't start happening until 8:30-9am).

I have been rung earlier than that........to gain entry via a side access to pipe concrete through to a neighbours

 

[Whàngarei]

One thought about that vehicle is ... have you ever turned down a street, found it was a dead end, and had to turn back again?

Google has steered me that way sometimes, I have done it all by myself at other times. Once we ended up at a country cemetery - thanks to Google - when we were trying to get to a country racetrack.

I have done that myself and i have found a car up the top of a no through road where i was living,,,,, actually it became farm land ,the passenger was in the process of stealing my toddlers bike.

 

[Credulious]

I think we touched on this a little earlier ... when we wondered what evidence had turned the detectives' heads towards abduction. Something pretty swaying.

What was it that 'told' that first officer or two, on the first afternoon, that this was likely a child abduction?

It would be good to know that answer.

Why were they searching for a car part that may have become detached from a vehicle?
Why were they searching for something that may have been thrown from a vehicle?
What had been noticed/spoken of/tipped/discovered that led to all of these things?
Is it true that no-one saw anyone else on the street that morning? Or is a witness(es) being protected?
What are the hundreds of things that we do not know?

There must not have been any DNA in BS vehicles.

I have learned with time that particular children are targets for abduction. Foster children, autistic children. Different reasons. These children are of higher risk.

There could be other motives not directly associated with bio family. Potential motive of revenge, monies owed etc.

 

[SouthAussie]

I have been rung earlier than that........to gain entry via a side access to pipe concrete through to a neighbours

An exception to the rule, allowing someone to start their work.

Not a call saying 'what time will you be here this morning?'

Trying to keep the convo within the realms of what actually likely happened.

 

[Credulious]

This crime has taken its toll on all the family. Sad state of affairs.

I'm still trying to understand the removal of William from parents based on the fact Natalie said he didn't do drugs prior.

I contemplated a revenge crime on Brendan. Had William been abducted for surety or revenge?

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/stunning-new-revelations-about-the-day-william-tyrrell-disappeared/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

William Tyrrell was always intended to stay in foster care for the rest of his childhood, away from his 'career criminal' father.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4825764/William-Tyrrell-s-foster-placement-permanent.html

 

[Whàngarei]

Ok. Have had "appliances on line'' here super early to deliver a new washing machine ......but did the delivery man call or i call i have forgotten

 

[SouthAussie]

There must not have been any DNA in BS vehicles.

I have learned with time that particular children are targets for abduction. Foster children, autistic children. Different reasons. These children are of higher risk.

There could be other motives not directly associated with bio family. Potential motive of revenge, monies owed etc.

Yes, Those same children are at a higher risk of being victims of child sex offences, too. Statistically speaking.

The motivation for William's abduction is very likely one or the other of those things.

The foster mother did make some comment, when she first reacted to the abduction, that has always stuck in our minds. Don't remember the exact wording ... but something like 'they have done it', something like that.

.

 

[SouthAussie]

Ok. Have had "appliances on line'' here super early to deliver a new washing machine ......but did the delivery man call or i call i have forgotten

Delivery persons/tradespeople for minor repairs generally call around ½ an hour before their arrival. If they have been requested to let a client know a more specific time. That is the standard, anyway. Often they have set up prior by saying 'it will be delivered/attended to between 8am and noon', or whatever.

Our tradesmen preset a time for their work, as most jobs start at 7:30am, unless a client requests otherwise. No call involved. 7:30am is the preferred time, as the industry requires a day or two at a worksite, at the least.

 

[Cagney&Lacey]

This crime has taken its toll on all the family. Sad state of affairs.

I'm still trying to understand the removal of William from parents based on the fact Natalie said he didn't do drugs prior.

I contemplated a revenge crime on Brendan. Had William been abducted for surety or revenge?

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/stunning-new-revelations-about-the-day-william-tyrrell-disappeared/news-story/1a73063218a15527c703ad7d2136710e

William Tyrrell was always intended to stay in foster care for the rest of his childhood, away from his 'career criminal' father.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4825764/William-Tyrrell-s-foster-placement-permanent.html

I'd take what NC said in this interview with a grain of salt. I think her motivation was more to do with her son's current charges. She herself says.

“He’s never really got over that day [welfare workers] saw him and Karlie at the video store and then took William away.

The two were not to associate with each other due to past DV and were found in breach and this was the consequence.

I do at times agree with your thoughts Credulous of the revenge on Brendon scenario.


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[frogwell]

Yes, Those same children are at a higher risk of being victims of child sex offences, too. Statistically speaking.

The motivation for William's abduction is very likely one or the other of those things.

The foster mother did make some comment, when she first reacted to the abduction, that has always stuck in our minds. Don't remember the exact wording ... but something like 'they have done it', something like that.

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I need a link for that. It sounded kind of familiar but then it also sounds like what Kate Maccan said when it was discovered Madelaine was missing, "They've taken her." If they both said something similar then these 2 cases have more similarities than I imagined. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

I need a link for that. It sounded kind of familiar but then it also sounds like what Kate Maccan said when it was discovered Madelaine was missing, "They've taken her." If they both said something similar then these 2 cases have more similarities than I imagined. MOO

When you find the link, please let us know.
I just posted it as a vague memory. Far too tired to go searching and searching for a link right now.

 

[frogwell]

I think we touched on this a little earlier ... when we wondered what evidence had turned the detectives' heads towards abduction. Something pretty swaying.

What was it that 'told' that first officer or two, on the first afternoon, that this was likely a child abduction?

It would be good to know that answer.

Why were they searching for a car part that may have become detached from a vehicle?

Why were they searching for something that may have been thrown from a vehicle?

What had been noticed/spoken of/tipped/discovered that led to all of these things?

Is it true that no-one saw anyone else on the street that morning? Or is a witness(es) being protected?

What are the hundreds of things that we do not know?

.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ne...sh-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078
Soon they are knocking on neighbours’ doors, wild-eyed and desperate. The neighbours join the search and call others to help. At 10.56am, utterly distraught, William’s mother calls 000 and reports him missing, telling the operator they’ve been searching for 15 or 20 minutes. She can’t understand how a child can simply vanish. There is no way in the world, she thinks, that he would have gone into the bush. Even at this early stage she worries that someone may have taken him. But here? In Kendall? It is such a small community that everyone knows each other.


At 11.06am the first police car arrives; word has spread throughout the township’s 800 or so residents that a little boy is lost and dozens of locals are out looking. A command post is *established outside the house on Benaroon Drive. At 11.12am the Dog Unit is dispatched. The SES is informed at 11.44am. At 12.52pm a police helicopter takes to the sky. By mid-*afternoon hundreds of people are searching for a boy who has seemingly vanished into the bush.

At 2.35pm detectives are dispatched from Port Macquarie and begin taking statements. One of them speaks to a colleague, Detective Senior Constable Vanessa Partridge, back at Port Macquarie late that afternoon; they are worried something more sinister may have taken place. Partridge arrives very early the next day, and already there are people out on *horseback, on bicycle, on foot, searching for *William. His dad is out there with them, and will be for days, thinking, “Surely if he is out here in the bush he’ll be found?”

Arriving at the house on Benaroon Drive, *Partridge is thinking, “Something just doesn’t feel right about this whole thing.”

Even a year later on the 60 minutes William Tyrrell episode, All Vanessa Partridge can say of her thoughts is, "William's not missing." I haven't seen those cops or her quoted as saying abduction.