Australia Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - # 7

[lampshade1]

Has anyone heard anything regarding people investigated having Twitter or social media ages looking for male company? I have seen 2 posts on social media about this but ever got any further info.... I totally agree that the s a calculated press release. They are trying to get someone to come clean with what they know. Or someone within a group to save themselves by I forming by making them think the police will get them soon.

It's not just people. But I just cannot name any names here. People who would of normally been known to be interested in woman. Implying a secretive lifestyle.

First I've heard of it.

As in females looking for male company? Or Males looking for male company?

I wouldn't think Twitter/Facebook would be hot spots for either of that. More so Craigslist/Gumtree/whatever else etc.

 

[Amee]

IN the days after little *William Tyrell went missing, there was barely a person in the Kendall area who was not spoken to by police.

There were the 21 neighbours in the exclusive estate. There were locals, shopkeepers, indeed everyone who had any contact with the boy’s family — including tradesman William Harrie Spedding, *better known as Bill.

Mr Spedding, 63, who lives in a rented house in semi-rural Bonny Hills on the coast around 20km away from Kendall, took part in 10-page recorded interview with *detectives because he had been due to fix William’s grandmother’s washing *machine on the day that *William disappeared.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...r-william-tyrell/story-fnii5s40-1227195546202

 

[deugirtni]

Have police publicly pointed the finger at BS? I thought he was only 'at most, a POI'? And I thought police had made comments about consequences for MSM if in the end, BS has nothing to do with this? I truly hope that people wouldn't be neglecting to call in small tidbits of information on the premise they are believing that police already know what's happening, that would be terrible. To me, there are only 2 things that could have happened that day. To some others, there are 3 things that could have happened that day. To others, there are 4 things. To Jubelin there is only one thing that could have happened that day. For me, his theory falls apart when he fails to consider that this little boy would undoubtedly by wailing, screaming. etc. in the vehicle. For Jubelin, it seems like BS is the only person he is aware of that was supposed to be on the street that day, and his theory feels a little tunnel-visioned. MOO

It got him thinking. What if William’s case was not a planned abduction? “You’ve got to have two worlds collide — the situation where a three-year-old is momentarily unsupervised, and comes in contact with someone who is motivated to abduct that child … it doesn’t ¬necessarily have to be this monster dressed in black who runs up, grabs the child and speeds off.” What if the person who abducted William had a reason to be in the street that day and had no malicious intent when he turned up Benaroon Drive?

We stop the car down the street a bit from William’s grandmother’s house. “You are here,” he says as we look up through trees to the house, “and you see a three-year-old kid in a Spider-Man suit on the road and there’s no one else around. What do you do?” It’s pretty easy to establish a rapport with a little boy. G’day Spider-Man. How are you going? Where’s your mum?

The way Jubelin sees it, you open the door and you put him in the car. Perhaps your first thought is to return him to his parents. Certainly, if anyone saw you now, you could say you were driving him to the police station in Laurieton, 15 minutes away. Instead of knocking on doors, you head back out past the showground. No one ¬follows you. You cross the Camden Haven River and nobody notices young William with the seatbelt over him. You bypass the police station in Laurieton and you just keep driving. By the time William’s mother calls 000 you are 30km away. There are tens of thousands of hectares of dense bushland between you and Kendall. ¬William is strapped in beside you, dressed in his Spider-Man suit.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/how-could-toddler-william-tyrrell-simply-vanish-into-thin-air/story-e6frg6z6-1227308929078

Why would police want to publicly point the finger at BS if they truly had nothing? I don't see what purpose it serves to let the public think that police are on track, and that it involves a pedo 'ring' and possibly BS, if none of it were true. It doesn't make sense as a strategy vs. coming clean and saying we think he was abducted by a stranger but we've got no clue. A highly visible campaign with pictures of William everywhere, but the truth that police don't know what happened, would be more effective than spinning some story around a washing machine repairman as people are now going to think, okay, the police know what's happening and don't need my tidbit of information.

 

[kiwi50]

I now believe William was probably waiting at the end of drive for his dad to return. Firmed up for me when fm said he was always listening and watching for fds car. Sadly it wasn't fd who pulled up.

 

[lampshade1]

I now believe William was probably waiting at the end of drive for his dad to return. Firmed up for me when fm said he was always listening and watching for fds car. Sadly it wasn't fd who pulled up.

Where do those acronyms come from?

 

[Manny83]

Where do those acronyms come from?

Foster mum and foster dad's

 

[deugirtni]

It was the latter that I was getting at. The whole FACS inquiry, as well as the crimestoppers tip in regard to BS, in addition to the nasty comments that were aimed at MS in particular, all put together to be perceived (by me) as related acts of vengeance, and that BS is uninvolved (hence his not being arrested or being upped from POI to 'suspect'). There are at least 4 different types of scenarios that could have occurred that day, with only one of those being 'opportunistic abduction' (by BS or anyone else). MOO

True. I think I know about the nasty comments too, makes sense if it fits
So it could be some kind of revenge act? If that's the case, I would sincerely hope there's a chance that pedophiles may not be involved?

That, or BS is not involved at all and it was just a very scorned person wanting to stir trouble but given the apparent nature of others possibly involved, I would doubt it's the latter

 

[deugirtni]

They are just generally known, but I believe there is also a list of them somewhere in the 'how to' section of WS? When members make comments, suggestions, statements, whatever, we are supposed to note that it is opinion, unless it is 'fact'.

IMO in my opinion
MOO my own opinion
IMHO in my humble opinion
IIRC if I remember correctly
etc.

Quote Originally Posted by lampshade1 View Post
Where do those acronyms come from?

Foster mum and foster dad's

 

[LolaAngelina]

Have police publicly pointed the finger at BS? I thought he was only 'at most, a POI'? And I thought police had made comments about consequences for MSM if in the end, BS has nothing to do with this? I truly hope that people wouldn't be neglecting to call in small tidbits of information on the premise they are believing that police already know what's happening, that would be terrible. To me, there are only 2 things that could have happened that day. To some others, there are 3 things that could have happened that day. To others, there are 4 things. To Jubelin there is only one thing that could have happened that day. For me, his theory falls apart when he fails to consider that this little boy would undoubtedly by wailing, screaming. etc. in the vehicle. For Jubelin, it seems like BS is the only person he is aware of that was supposed to be on the street that day, and his theory feels a little tunnel-visioned. MOO

I don't think Jubelin ever fails to consider anything. He's one of the best investigators in the country. If they have their sights set on BS it's for a good reason

 

[Amee]

September 18

The Australian can reveal that police have — in addition to bringing sex-crime detectives into the investigation, who were yesterday door-knocking houses in Kendall — called on the assistance of FACS, which has been in contact with the boy’s relatives.

“We are working with NSW Police and the family and are doing all we can to assist in this matter,” a FACS spokeswoman said. Asked why FACS had become involved, she said: “Police are leading this investigation … child protection is a fundamental role and responsibility of FACS and it’s in the best interest of the community for us to work alongside other agencies.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-missing-nsw-boy/story-e6frg6nf-1227062023179

 

[tracecomp]

This "high profile" Pedo was caught recently - He might be providing some info, squeeling on others to "do a deal".

"On March 20, O'Connor was arrested at Tweed Heads Police Station and charged with four counts of indecent assault of a child aged 16 and under authority, and six counts of sexual intercourse with a child under 16 and under authority." Cant believe he got bail!


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/brett-oconnor-head-of-child-protection-in-queensland-schools-charged-with-historical-sex-abuse-offences-against-pupils-at-two-sydney-private-schools-20150410-1mh5zg.html

 

[LolaAngelina]

This "high profile" Pedo was caught recently - He might be providing some info, squeeling on others to "do a deal".

"On March 20, O'Connor was arrested at Tweed Heads Police Station and charged with four counts of indecent assault of a child aged 16 and under authority, and six counts of sexual intercourse with a child under 16 and under authority." Cant believe he got bail!


http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/brett-oconnor-head-of-child-protection-in-queensland-schools-charged-with-historical-sex-abuse-offences-against-pupils-at-two-sydney-private-schools-20150410-1mh5zg.html

That's a good point. That may very well be where their pedo ring info came from

 

[catswhiskers]

They are just generally known, but I believe there is also a list of them somewhere in the 'how to' section of WS? When members make comments, suggestions, statements, whatever, we are supposed to note that it is opinion, unless it is 'fact'.

IMO in my opinion
MOO my own opinion
IMHO in my humble opinion
IIRC if I remember correctly
etc.

I've found that Australian posters don't tend to use the acronyms (especially the MOO and IMHO type ones) so much in threads where it's mostly other Australians posting. It seems like they are expected at the end of every post elsewhere, but not so much here. I think the milking quip was a bit of humour because when you aren't used to seeing MOOs all the time, it does look a bit funny

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't think Jubelin ever fails to consider anything. He's one of the best investigators in the country. If they have their sights set on BS it's for a good reason

:yes:

The Newcastle Herald can also reveal one of the state’s most respected homicide investigators, Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, has taken over the lead role in the investigation …
Detective Inspector Jubelin, who has locked up some of the worst criminals in the state …
http://www.theherald.com.au/story/2850333/top-investigator-appointed-in-search-for-william-tyrrell/

One mutual detective friend quipped that in Jubelin’s downtime on an away job he “reads the investigation brief backwards while doing push ups on his knuckles”.
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/underbelly-behind-the-badness/story-e6frfmyi-1226461384967

The highly experienced homicide detective leading the investigation, Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin …
http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/lif...illiam-tyrell-police-say-20150220-13k61t.html

Bowraville Murders:
"The reality of it is, and I don't like to offer false hope to families, this is the end of the road," Jubelin said bluntly.
http://www.coffscoastadvocate.com.au/news/bowraville-pain-three-lost-children-remains-raw/1749650/

Detective Inspector Gary Jubelin, who has fought side by side with the victims' families since 1997 ….
http://www.creativespirits.info/resources/movies/innocence-betrayed

 

[Angeline]

I now believe William was probably waiting at the end of drive for his dad to return. Firmed up for me when fm said he was always listening and watching for fds car. Sadly it wasn't fd who pulled up.

Yes, that's what I think too. For those that haven't watched the interview with his parents, it really is worth watching because they go into great detail about what happened that day. There is relevant stuff mentioned, such as initial confusion when Dad got home as to whether he had picked up William at some point while out on his errand, and how William was always excited to hear his Dad's car.

Combine that with what Jubelin said in the recent issue of "The Australian" and it really does seem like William may have heard a car (sadly no-one else did), he has run out to the road and that's how it happened.

 

[Eloise]

For me, his theory falls apart when he fails to consider that this little boy would undoubtedly by wailing, screaming. etc. in the vehicle. For Jubelin, it seems like BS is the only person he is aware of that was supposed to be on the street that day, and his theory feels a little tunnel-visioned. MOO

I don't think that is the case, unfortunately. I have shared footage here before of an Oprah episode where they showed just how quickly a toddler - one who is described by her own mother as shy and unwilling to engage with strangers - can be convinced by a stranger to go with him. It took about 30 seconds. I have a 3 year old - one who is shy, basically only talks to me, and takes quite some time to warm to strangers. Yet if someone gets a "hook" - like notices he has a Thomas shirt on so talks about Thomas - his eyes light up and it's like that person is his BFF. WT was wearing a Spidey outfit, so that gives an immediate "hook". I think Jubelin is on the money and his track record is sound.

 

[Tangled_Web]

"Police say they received information in the past few weeks which has led them to home in on a local paedophile ring which operates close to where the toddler disappeared."
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/william-tyrrell-investigation-police-home-in-on-paedophile-ring-20150417-1mnhf3.html

As I read the above, I couldn't help but think about the report on 60 Minutes on 5 April about the tragic case of 3 children (details in the link below).
Could there be a connection? (Apart from the fact that Gary Jubelin is leading both this and William's case).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3022539/Did-sexual-predator-murder-three-children-Detective-working-24-year-old-cold-case-believes-s-hunting-serial-killer-original-suspect-insists-s-innocent.html

 

[louisepiglet]

I am sorry but I just can't see that someone would take such a risk to snatch a child on such a quiet street. If William did go running out because he heard a car and thought it was his Dad, firstly the person in the car would not be expecting to see a child because it was a surprise visit by the family. Secondly, it would be quite likely that an adult would be following on the heels of the child. In the case of BS his truck is sign written so it would be a HUGE risk to take William whilst in the truck. I live in a relatively quiet street and I look out the window whenever I hear a car stop nearby. In such a quiet street such as where William's grandma lived it would be almost a certainty that some neighbour would look out the window to see who had pulled up. Nobody knew William was going to be there so this could not have been a planned abduction. That leaves a perfect storm of coincidences and I just can't see it.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't think that is the case, unfortunately. I have shared footage here before of an Oprah episode where they showed just how quickly a toddler - one who is described by her own mother as shy and unwilling to engage with strangers - can be convinced by a stranger to go with him. It took about 30 seconds. I have a 3 year old - one who is shy, basically only talks to me, and takes quite some time to warm to strangers. Yet if someone gets a "hook" - like notices he has a Thomas shirt on so talks about Thomas - his eyes light up and it's like that person is his BFF. WT was wearing a Spidey outfit, so that gives an immediate "hook". I think Jubelin is on the money and his track record is sound.

In a similar experiment, conducted in England, it took just 90 seconds to abduct children (individually) from a playground where their mothers were also present.

Enter the stranger, a man dressed in an ordinary checked shirt and long shorts, who approached the children - some who were as young as five years old.
The man asked them to help him look for his child or a lost dog.
Of the nine children he approached, seven co-operated and within a space of 90 seconds walked from the playground with him.
All the children had been warned by their parents about "stranger danger" and none had previously met the man.
One seven-year-old boy turned the man down, but then changed his mind in less than a minute.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/pa...o-abduct-a-child/story-fnet085v-1226710878736
Video at link

 

[SouthAussie]

I am sorry but I just can't see that someone would take such a risk to snatch a child on such a quiet street. If William did go running out because he heard a car and thought it was his Dad, firstly the person in the car would not be expecting to see a child because it was a surprise visit by the family. Secondly, it would be quite likely that an adult would be following on the heels of the child. In the case of BS his truck is sign written so it would be a HUGE risk to take William whilst in the truck. I live in a relatively quiet street and I look out the window whenever I hear a car stop nearby. In such a quiet street such as where William's grandma lived it would be almost a certainty that some neighbour would look out the window to see who had pulled up. Nobody knew William was going to be there so this could not have been a planned abduction. That leaves a perfect storm of coincidences and I just can't see it.

It is possible that the street was not totally quiet that morning ...


The neighbour said that while he has lived on the street for seven years he did not know William or the boy's parents.
'When I heard I was on my ride on mower and saw a police car. Someone came running down the street. They said someone had just lost a kid.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-nearby-forest-hope-finding-alive-fades.html