Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #77

[Chrissy74]

Unless it's another Michelle White

it’s been a long day sorry if I’m repeating myself but just to clarify
Michelle White “Salvation Army” Co-worker of FM and family friend for over a decade. And yes I have read the links provided thanks iiiii’s

 

[JLZ]

Unless it's another Michelle White

Sounds like it would be this Michelle White: Salvation Army launches Young Hope foster care service | mySalvos

 

[bearbear]

this article with rod iddles is interesting........
'I think what's happened is someone very close has come forward with information and that's why there's a search,' Mr Iddles said.

'That information I'm confident would be contained in an affidavit for a warrant.'

Mr Iddles said police would have had to obtain a search warrant to seize the foster grandmother's car from its new owner.

William Tyrrell case explained by top former detective Rod Iddles

Legendary homicide detective Ron Iddles hopes the mystery of three-year-old William's disappearance can still be solved but believes the latest large-scale search is 'the last roll of the dice'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[iiiii's]

I think she probably did, which is why she calls FM ethical.
One thing I noticed back in an article is that the prosecutor said that the police met with DCJ, not that they reported the matter to DCJ.

They could have met once they heard FM report the matter to DCJ. imo

I will go back and find the link and add it.
I can't find the exact link yet, but this one says how Lonergan testified that the police didn't tell DCJ because they were monitoring the situation. Link

I'd say that neither could be considered "ethical" if one is fostering through her friend's program, it could be the gateway to all sorts of unfair, upper handed situations. MOO

 

[Couldbe]

Not long before we may hear more (Just under 3 weeks):

“The hearing was adjourned to December 4. A judgment is expected to be delivered next year.”

Magistrate rejects attempt by Tyrrell foster mother to have charges thrown out

“The foster mother pleaded guilty this week to two counts of assault for kicking the child and hitting them with a wooden spoon, but denied any intimidation. The foster father has denied both charges against him: one count of intimidation and one count of assault.

On Friday, when prosecutors closed their case following the five-day hearing, the foster mother’s barrister John Stratton SC argued his client had no case to answer because the evidence was not capable of satisfying the offences she was charged with.”

 

[FromGermany1]

The kick was revisited on Thursday when former Salvation Army Captain and family friend Michelle White told the court that SD confided in her after the alleged assault.

Ms White described the foster mother as 'forthcoming' and that she acknowledged that she 'at times has not lived up to her own expectations' of being a mother.

According to the statement Ms White gave to police after the kick, the foster mother said she was ‘ashamed' of what she had done, admitting that she had 'lost it' at the time.

Ms White then asked if the kick had left a visible mark and the foster mother said it had not.

unnamed in this article

The foster mother's co-worker and friend of more than a decade recalled a distressed phone call in which the parent reported kicking the youth after they tried to trip the younger foster child.

'I questioned that a bit and she said: 'No, I kicked (them) really hard,'' she told the court.

The friend described the foster mother as an ethical person with a lot of integrity who was extremely resilient and intent on providing a safe and secure home.

Mr Stratton asked if the foster mother sounded upset when she reported kicking the child.

'She was distraught,' her friend responded.


From Slouth, 1.03pm today rsbm, bbm

That particular photo was used because William was in foster care at the time of his disappearance, it was FACS that provided the photo to the Police for that initial release. That particular photo was the most recent one on William’s case file at the time …. (If a child in care goes missing, FACS still hold all the power as to what photos etc are released …and Police have to liaise with them )

After Michelle White, arrived in Kendall, one of her first jobs was to find a better photo of William, for release by the Police ..

bbm

This question I find to be very suspect, as if a "visible mark" would be evidence of mistreatment (unfortunately negative for the FFC) and no mark would be advantageous and a thing, that could be denied.

 

[Couldbe]

In querying the importance of "if the kick had left a visible mark", bruising can take a while to emerge after a kick. More important is surely the fact that the child was kicked.

“The kick was revisited on Thursday when former Salvation Army Captain and family friend Michelle White told the court that SD confided in her after the alleged assault.
Ms White described the foster mother as 'forthcoming' and that she acknowledged that she 'at times has not lived up to her own expectations' of being a mother.
According to the statement Ms White gave to police after the kick, the foster mother said she was ‘ashamed' of what she had done, admitting that she had 'lost it' at the time.
Ms White then asked if the kick had left a visible mark and the foster mother said it had not.”

William Tyrrell's foster father allegedly put hands around girl's neck

During cross-examination it was revealed that the girl, known as LT, told a support person that her foster father had 'mental health issues' and had put is hands around her throat during an argument.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JLZ]

Ms White described the foster mother as 'forthcoming' and that she acknowledged that she 'at times has not lived up to her own expectations' of being a mother.

That's one of her distressing faults, being a perfectionist, you know.

 

[SLouTh]

it’s been a long day sorry if I’m repeating myself but just to clarify
Michelle White “Salvation Army” Co-worker of FM and family friend for over a decade. And yes I have read the links provided thanks iiiii’s

Yes that is correct … (if the media report is correct … )
That information was picked up (or noticed) in the media reports of the alleged assault case against the Foster Parents … back when that was in court …

It’s quite interesting to think about that concept in more detail … IMO

 

[SLouTh]

I'd say that neither could be considered "ethical" if one is fostering through her friend's program, it could be the gateway to all sorts of unfair, upper handed situations. MOO

I have absolutely no idea of the dynamic of the relationship between FM and MW ….or when in what time period a friendship was struck up ????

However, it is possible a friendship developed after the fostering began … ??? we just don’t know … until a journalist wants to investigate and reveal more to this part of the story …

Just for the record, I am not defending any one … just pointing out that we don’t know enough about the situation to be commenting publicly on the ethics of it …. In my own opinion ….

All IMO

 

[SLouTh]

Where is the quote about Michelle White from please Slouth?

IIRC It is from the “other” book, so an error there on my part for mentioning it …
However I did think it may have also been mentioned in a podcast at some stage ?? but honestly I don’t have a link for that podcast ….
So JMO

 

[k-mac]

In querying the importance of "if the kick had left a visible mark", bruising can take a while to emerge after a kick. More important is surely the fact that the child was kicked.

“The kick was revisited on Thursday when former Salvation Army Captain and family friend Michelle White told the court that SD confided in her after the alleged assault.
Ms White described the foster mother as 'forthcoming' and that she acknowledged that she 'at times has not lived up to her own expectations' of being a mother.
According to the statement Ms White gave to police after the kick, the foster mother said she was ‘ashamed' of what she had done, admitting that she had 'lost it' at the time.
Ms White then asked if the kick had left a visible mark and the foster mother said it had not.”

William Tyrrell's foster father allegedly put hands around girl's neck

During cross-examination it was revealed that the girl, known as LT, told a support person that her foster father had 'mental health issues' and had put is hands around her throat during an argument.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Any intelligient person knows you gotta get ahead of your problem.

I would indeed get my own narrative out if I was concerned the victim was going to dob me in...

IMO Williams sister coming into her own was quite the problem to FM......
(yes ... take that as deep as you want to.)

 

[JLZ]

I have absolutely no idea of the dynamic of the relationship between FM and MW ….or when in what time period a friendship was struck up ????

However, it is possible a friendship developed after the fostering began … ??? we just don’t know … until a journalist wants to investigate and reveal more to this part of the story …

Just for the record, I am not defending any one … just pointing out that we don’t know enough about the situation to be commenting publicly on the ethics of it …. In my own opinion ….

All IMO

I tend to disagree. This would only be OK if MW had left her job, or if case management for L and the other children had transferred to a different agency, before the personal relationship developed.

 

[SouthAussie]

I'd say that neither could be considered "ethical" if one is fostering through her friend's program, it could be the gateway to all sorts of unfair, upper handed situations. MOO

It is really only the DM that says its her friend, though, isn't it? So there's that. How did the journo determine that? Is the journo a friend also, or did the journo see them talking together and jumped to conclusions?

imo

 

[iiiii's]

It is really only the DM that says its her friend, though, isn't it? So there's that. How did the journo determine that? Is the journo a friend also, or did the journo see them talking together and jumped to conclusions?

imo

OK, so what about co-worker, did the journalist just assume that as well?

 

[SouthAussie]

OK, so what about co-worker, did the journalist just assume that as well?

Then maybe the DM article is not referencing Michelle White. How would she be a co-worker? And why didn't the DM name this person, when they named Emma Ballard? I can understand them not naming the private individuals, in the same way they didn't name the teacher.

Might be barking up the wrong tree. imo

From your Link:
The foster mother's co-worker and friend of more than a decade recalled a distressed phone call in which the parent reported kicking the youth after they tried to trip the younger foster child.

 

[SLouTh]

I tend to disagree. This would only be OK if MW had left her job, or if case management for L and the other children had transferred to a different agency, before the personal relationship developed.

Well the case of the sister has to have been transferred to another agency, as Young Hope closed down …
We don’t know about the friendship back in 2014??? It could have developed later ??? they may just have been acquaintances back then ??? Perhaps, “William going missing”, solidified the alleged friendship, and it grew after that time ???

Remember that FM didn’t call MW when William went missing …. She phoned BA, his caseworker (case worker for both children IIRC ?? ) …. As per CO Podcast …

For all we know …. FM and MW may have been friends and colleagues in MW’s current job??? (Not when MW was working for Young Hope) and I would find that particularly interesting, if that is the case …. But JMO

IMO

 

[JLZ]

Well the case of the sister has to have been transferred to another agency, as Young Hope closed down …
We don’t know about the friendship back in 2014??? It could have developed later ??? they may just have been acquaintances back then ??? Perhaps, “William going missing”, solidified the alleged friendship, and it grew after that time ???

Remember that FM didn’t call MW when William went missing …. She phoned BA, his caseworker (case worker for both children IIRC ?? ) …. As per CO Podcast …

For all we know …. FM and MW may have been friends and colleagues in MW’s current job??? (Not when MW was working for Young Hope) and I would find that particularly interesting, if that is the case …. But JMO

IMO

When did Young Hope close down?

 

[bearbear]

could this salvation army young hope person mentioned here be mw?

Both he and William's biological mother talked openly of the time they had hidden William away, in February 2012, when he was just seven months old to stop FACS workers handing him to the foster couple.

In her police statement, William's birth mother says, "I just couldn't imagine handing over my son … eventually we were found by the police … and William was taken from us."

A day later, on March 16, 2012, William was given to the foster couple, and came under the supervision of the Salvation Army's Young Hope out-of-home care program.

Why suspicion has lifted on missing boy's family

After years of rumours and theories, family say the magnifying glass has now shifted.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[SLouTh]

When did Young Hope close down?

Not sure exactly, years ago …. but it wasn’t that long after William went missing.. (comparatively) . It is actually hard to find records of it even existing ….

JMO