Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[JBowie]

Sadly, a hell of a lot of people IMO

I see people screaming / swearing at kids in supermarkets, out at the parks, walking down the street/s frequently / often etc

Yes and there is no excuse for it. (Is it any wonder that kids then take all of that to school and teachers cop the brunt of it?)

 

[BoysTown]

I lost all sense of how bad (or good) things were for the child when the police left her there for 9 months after the wooden spoon incident, and didn't even inform FACS of the incident for those 9 months. They are mandatory reporters.

I am left with the impression there were a few incidents where parents were pushed to the breaking point. And that the police were the ones who were pushing them there.

100%

 

[drsleuth]

I lost all sense of how bad (or good) things were for the child when the police left her there for 9 months after the wooden spoon incident, and didn't even inform FACS of the incident for those 9 months. They are mandatory reporters.

I am left with the impression there were a few incidents where parents were pushed to the breaking point. And that the police were the ones who were pushing them there.

I agree.

I think the Courts look at everything in context, they had over 1000hrs to take into account after all.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

"[The child] was not interviewed by police in relation to this conduct or this incident, and no evidence was deduced from [the child] by the prosecution over the course of the five-day hearing before the magistrate," Judge Grant said.

"It is difficult to understand how the learned magistrate could conclude, without any evidence from [the child], that it was very fearful and upset by the tone and volume used to convey instructions."

William Tyrrell's former foster father has intimidation conviction overturned

The former foster father of William Tyrrell has successfully appealed his conviction of intimidating a different child.

www.abc.net.au

 

[bearbear]

That is true however when police already have evidence of the incident they do not need the victim to make a statement. There are also many instances of people not wanting to press charges however there is an eyewitness and police undertake to press the charges anyway. It's up to police discretion.

plus she was only a little girl, even with someone guiding her it would be still confusing and painful, she should never have been put in that situation

 

[iiiii's]

I can't recall but could someone please tell me what both of the fosters plead in regards to the charges related to the other child initially?

 

[SouthAussie]

plus she was only a little girl, even with someone guiding her it would be still confusing and painful, she should never have been put in that situation

I feel very sorry for her. It seems like she was a pawn in the police game.

 

[drsleuth]

I feel very sorry for her. It seems like she was a pawn in the police game.

Seems that way.

I see it in a few ways:
They = NSWPF

• They thought she was in no real danger , so were happy to just wait for their "gotcha" moment , which IMO never came. I'd say the LD warrants were expiring, so they decided to put pressure on the FP's publicly ( charges unrelated to WT / FM suspect etc )
• They didn't really care about her welfare
• They were using her as a means to their end & to further their agenda
• They didn't really care that she was in a very volatile / stressful environment.

Approx 4 1/2 years later, still no evidence for the NSWPF's conduct over those years.

IMO She has been let down by so many people & has/is been/being used to push peoples agendas

It's all so sad.

All IMO

 

[iiiii's]

I can't recall but could someone please tell me what both of the fosters plead in regards to the charges related to the other child initially?

Actually found the answers myself. For those who are interested,
William Tyrrell's foster mother has pleaded guilty to assaulting a child at a home on Sydney's north shore.

William Tyrrell foster mother pleads guilty to assaulting a child

The foster mother of missing boy William Tyrrell has pleaded guilty to assaulting a child in her care in incidents that occurred two years ago.

www.abc.net.au

The 58-year-old pleaded guilty to two counts of common assault in relation to alleged incidents that took place in January and October 2021.

However, she entered not guilty pleas to two counts of stalking or intimidating the child.

Her 56-year-old husband maintained not guilty pleas to one count of common assault and one count of stalking or intimidating the child.

 

[Mauig’ma]

Actually found the answers myself. For those who are interested,
William Tyrrell's foster mother has pleaded guilty to assaulting a child at a home on Sydney's north shore.

William Tyrrell foster mother pleads guilty to assaulting a child

The foster mother of missing boy William Tyrrell has pleaded guilty to assaulting a child in her care in incidents that occurred two years ago.

www.abc.net.au

The 58-year-old pleaded guilty to two counts of common assault in relation to alleged incidents that took place in January and October 2021.

However, she entered not guilty pleas to two counts of stalking or intimidating the child.

Her 56-year-old husband maintained not guilty pleas to one count of common assault and one count of stalking or intimidating the child.

Very interesting imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Just to be clear, the FM is said to be appealing her convictions for intimidation, to a higher court.
And it is not yet clear which aspect of sentencing she is appealing.

We learned about this in July last year.


"appealing convictions for two counts of intimidation over separate incidents"
'Big hole' in case against Tyrrell's foster dad over intimidation conviction, court hears

imo

 

[Warshawski]

Just to be clear, the FM is said to be appealing her convictions for intimidation, to a higher court.
And it is not yet clear which aspect of sentencing she is appealing.

We learned about this in July last year.


"appealing convictions for two counts of intimidation over separate incidents"
'Big hole' in case against Tyrrell's foster dad over intimidation conviction, court hears

imo

Of course - is all I can say to that .. as I bury my head in shame for humanity.

I’m an aged Mum. Yet nothing changes through the generations.

Kids are kids. They are born to develop & test the waters. Yep, their development can test your patience, .. really test your patience !

However, the recorded behaviour / comments by both the FPs toward that child ( one who was entrusted to their care ) was so far removed from acceptable imo.

We heard the cringeworthy dialogue between child and FM, then came the horrible onslaught of FF’s opinion thundering down on her.

So now I go to the bit about ‘entrusted to their care’. … she was left in the care of adults who’d lost a child in their care - such Child being Her Little Brother.. .. how was the impact of that managed I wonder ? ( the true & honest impact. .. )

As much as it’s crept up in huge proportions, I can’t fathom when it suddenly became acceptable in our society for people to prey upon another. I also struggle to understand a situation where Adults put themselves above the well-being of children ( and the well-being of others) .

Irrespective of whether FP’s had any hand in the disappearance of William, they’ve a lot to answer for regards his sister imo. In this life or the next …

 

[marv hucker]

plus she was only a little girl, even with someone guiding her it would be still confusing and painful, she should never have been put in that situation

She’s been through a hell of a lot in a young life.

 

[bearbear]

She’s been through a hell of a lot in a young life.

and all of her sadness preventable

 

[SouthAussie]

Of course - is all I can say to that .. as I bury my head in shame for humanity.

I’m an aged Mum. Yet nothing changes through the generations.

Kids are kids. They are born to develop & test the waters. Yep, their development can test your patience, .. really test your patience !

However, the recorded behaviour / comments by both the FPs toward that child ( one who was entrusted to their care ) was so far removed from acceptable imo.

We heard the cringeworthy dialogue between child and FM, then came the horrible onslaught of FF’s opinion thundering down on her.

So now I go to the bit about ‘entrusted to their care’. … she was left in the care of adults who’d lost a child in their care - such Child being Her Little Brother.. .. how was the impact of that managed I wonder ? ( the true & honest impact. .. )

As much as it’s crept up in huge proportions, I can’t fathom when it suddenly became acceptable in our society for people to prey upon another. I also struggle to understand a situation where Adults put themselves above the well-being of children ( and the well-being of others) .

Irrespective of whether FP’s had any hand in the disappearance of William, they’ve a lot to answer for regards his sister imo. In this life or the next …

I have no idea why you replied to my post, Warsh. My post was clarifying what the FM's appeal is about, because a previous post started talking about the assault charges for which the FM pled guilty. And we had been discussing the FD's successful court appeal.

I am not about to get into any discussion about the rights and wrongs of perfect parenting, because we all know that if NSWPOL had done their mandatory reporting when they should have done it, a lot of angst for the child could have been avoided. Intervention by FACS would have occurred back in January that year - not in November.

imo

 

[FromGermany1]

Of course - is all I can say to that .. as I bury my head in shame for humanity.

I’m an aged Mum. Yet nothing changes through the generations.

Kids are kids. They are born to develop & test the waters. Yep, their development can test your patience, .. really test your patience !

However, the recorded behaviour / comments by both the FPs toward that child ( one who was entrusted to their care ) was so far removed from acceptable imo.

We heard the cringeworthy dialogue between child and FM, then came the horrible onslaught of FF’s opinion thundering down on her.

So now I go to the bit about ‘entrusted to their care’. … she was left in the care of adults who’d lost a child in their care - such Child being Her Little Brother.. .. how was the impact of that managed I wonder ? ( the true & honest impact. .. )

As much as it’s crept up in huge proportions, I can’t fathom when it suddenly became acceptable in our society for people to prey upon another. I also struggle to understand a situation where Adults put themselves above the well-being of children ( and the well-being of others) .

Irrespective of whether FP’s had any hand in the disappearance of William, they’ve a lot to answer for regards his sister imo. In this life or the next …

I think, it's bad, that both "parents" criticized her, scolded her and were rude to her. The adults supported each other in their frustration and anger (one even called the other for help!), but the girl had no one in this house, who was on her side. That was so very unfair of these adults. They probably had no understanding of the needs of this child, who first had to cope with the longlasting drama of a missing little brother and then later with the presence of a younger foster child, which of course in any case meant a certain amount of rivalry. I am sad, when I think about this little sister of W.

 

[SouthAussie]

I think, it's bad, that both "parents" criticized her, scolded her and were rude to her. The adults supported each other in their frustration and anger (one even called the other for help!), but the girl had no one in this house, who was on her side. That was so very unfair of these adults. They probably had no understanding of the needs of this child, who first had to cope with the longlasting drama of a missing little brother and then later with the presence of a younger foster child, which of course in any case meant a certain amount of rivalry. I am sad, when I think about this little sister of W.

And she really had no friends among the police who were listening in. And that makes me really quite angry. Because they are supposed to protect, they are supposed to report.

I find it hard to grasp that some are not understanding what the police should have done in this instance. What situations could and should have been avoided by getting the correct intervention in a timely manner.

 

[Chrissy74]

And she really had no friends among the police who were listening in. And that makes me really quite angry. Because they are supposed to protect, they are supposed to report.

I find it hard to grasp that some are not understanding what the police should have done in this instance. What situations could and should have been avoided by getting the correct intervention in a timely manner.

I don’t disagree with you, SthAussie. NSWPF should have intervened much earlier, and there’s no excuse for that. Let’s rewind to April 2012, just a month after W came to stay with his foster parents. An official from the state government team supporting the foster care visits would later testify in court that they were present when the foster parents disciplined Ws sister, stating, “and I was there, where the foster parents used time-out with her, but for them, time-out meant time-outside.” William’s sister was only 2 years old at the time. The foster mum also told this official that she'd threatened to smack William's sister but had never done it.
So yes It does make you wonder how many situations could have been prevented if the right interventions had happened earlier. And this really angers me because both FACS and the fp were suppose to protect the children in their care and to ensure their safety and wellbeing.
No doubt it’s easy for some to only take into account recent events but fm behaviour and inappropriate forms of discipline were evident from the very beginning.

 

[SouthAussie]

I don’t disagree with you, SthAussie. NSWPF should have intervened much earlier, and there’s no excuse for that. Let’s rewind to April 2012, just a month after W came to stay with his foster parents. An official from the state government team supporting the foster care visits would later testify in court that they were present when the foster parents disciplined Ws sister, stating, “and I was there, where the foster parents used time-out with her, but for them, time-out meant time-outside.” William’s sister was only 2 years old at the time. The foster mum also told this official that she'd threatened to smack William's sister but had never done it.
So yes It does make you wonder how many situations could have been prevented if the right interventions had happened earlier. And this really angers me because both FACS and the fp were suppose to protect the children in their care and to ensure their safety and wellbeing.
No doubt it’s easy for some to only take into account recent events but fm behaviour and inappropriate forms of discipline were evident from the very beginning.

I purposely don't rewind that far back because we all know that the birth home was a scene of domestic violence that the sister lived in for her first year. (links back in the threads)

In January 2021, if the police had reported under their mandatory reporter obligations, I feel pretty sure that FACS would have stepped right in - just as they did when Bill Spedding was put in the hot seat. FACS got their kincare children away from the adverse pressure.

 

[Chrissy74]

I purposely don't rewind that far back because we all know that the birth home was a scene of domestic violence that the sister lived in for her first year. (links back in the threads)

In January 2021, if the police had reported under their mandatory reporter obligations, I feel pretty sure that FACS would have stepped right in - just as they did when Bill Spedding was put in the hot seat. FACS got their kincare children away from the adverse pressure.

The fp home was a ticking time bomb. They were under extreme emotional and financial stress, constant police surveillance, 2 tranches of an inquest into Ws disappearance, media scrutiny, death of a loved one. They were asking for more support and instead were given another child to care for. It’s hard to understand why FACS didn’t intervene sooner; their involvement only seemed to be triggered when the police notified them. How FACS missed all the warning signs is really concerning especially when the safety and wellbeing of children in their care is priority. Did FACS not have mandatory reporting obligations? Or is stepping in during a crisis situation not necessary unless something serious happens? Which inevitably it did