Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79
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IDK. It certainly seems that it would be one of the longest, if not the longest.
A 2016 study says that .... "Nearly a quarter of inquests in Australia run for more than 3 years .... interventions to reduce timelines should be tried and carefully evaluated."
Duration of death investigations that proceed to inquest in Australia - PubMed
Nearly a quarter of inquests in Australia run for more than 3 years. The size of this caseload tail varies dramatically by jurisdiction and case characteristics. Interventions to reduce timelines should be tried and carefully evaluated.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
I am eagerly awaiting the next episode of the Witness podcast which definitely alluded that they had not.
It doesn’t make sense that we have an active inquest and there is still an active police investigation.
Also I tried to re listen to ‘Nowhere Child’ and the episodes are now unavailable. Anyone know why?
Not sure how you attribute her decision for the 2021 search was predominantly based upon Laidlaw's direction. Is there a link for that? And then in the next 2 sentences you acknowledge that this could have been a possibility of what happened to WT and needed to be ruled out?
What had been missed by that stage of the investigation, in those police files, by 2021, 7 years after the disappearance, was a much more comprehensive investigation of those who should have been looked much more deeply into in the 1st year. It's really not acceptable that the first 2 lead investigators had not done this.
I'm going to be interested to hear DB's take on who else should have been looked at more closely and if there are events or people that were flagged in much earlier threads of this case in the 1st 2 years that we have discussed but heard nothing about them in the media or from the police so far. IMO
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Because the Coroner was due to hand down her findings in June 2021, but held off due to Laidlaw's direction and his submission to the DPP. She basically said 'well, okay, you better re-search that area to rule that in or rule that out'.
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The long-running inquest ran for 18 months before it concluded in October 2020 and Ms Grahame’s findings were due to be handed down in June 2021.
However evidence has been reopened because of a fresh police theory that William died in an accidental fall ...
Ms Grahame on Tuesday told the court: “I pause to say there is actually no evidence that anyone has been seen placing a body here or anywhere else.”
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Maybe podcasts take up a bit of server space, so they go away once they are deemed to be inactive (sort of like a lot of news articles do, I often have to go to our threads for links about what was said as the old article is now gone).
CO's book is pretty good if you want to see what she has to say.
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William Tyrrell was a three year old boy who disappeared from the village of Kendall, on the mid-north-coast of New South Wales. Key facts were kept from the public, from day one. A lot of what was reported, especially early on, was false. In the new podcast, Nowhere Child, The Australian’s...
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Ok, thanks for that explanation, the only thing I take exception to is the word "re-search". If the review of the case shows that police conducted a search based on a surface burial in the 1st few months of the investigation based on the FM's statements, then I would concede that the 2021 search seems somewhat problematic. MOO
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We have had conversations in the past about this, how 158 Batar Creek Road (Riding School) was searched on the first day - and by who. And more recently how Dan Box saw a map at the recent inquest tranche that cadaver dogs had previously searched the 2021 search area.
I will give you a few WS links, but then you may want to go back and read some threads for yourself, maybe listen to Dan's podcast episode.
I don't find the 2021 search to be problematic. It confirmed to the Coroner that Laidlaw's police theory could be ruled out. I said before, they need to rule in or rule out everything that they can.
The problem might have been the intentional 2021 search publicity, as that has backfired on the senior police in the past.
Thread 75, post 201
Thread 75, post 316
Thread 79, post 415
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The case against William Tyrrell’s foster father has a “big hole” in it, a judge has told a court, as the man attempts to overturn his conviction for intimidating a child.
The man – who cannot be identified for legal reasons – on Monday appeared before Downing Centre District Court – as he seeks to have his conviction quashed relating to an incident during which he yelled at the child as he took them to school on November 23, 2020.
The charge relates to a child who is not William.
The man – who cannot be identified for legal reasons – on Monday appeared before Downing Centre District Court – as he seeks to have his conviction quashed relating to an incident during which he yelled at the child as he took them to school on November 23, 2020.
The charge relates to a child who is not William.
“Judge Grant will hand down his judgment on the conviction appeal next Monday afternoon.”
‘Big hole’ in case against missing toddler’s foster dad
“During an argument while dropping the girl to school in November 2020, the man screamed and berated her as she sobbed uncontrollably.
But during a brief hearing in Sydney’s Downing Centre District Court on Monday, Judge Sean Grant noted when the girl gave evidence in the case’s initial hearings she was not asked how she felt during the incident.
“That’s a big hole in the Crown case,” he said.”
“Instead, the prosecution relied on covert recordings made by detectives investigating William’s disappearance, who had tapped the couple’s home and vehicles.
In the recordings, the man could be heard yelling from the car at the girl to “shut the front door” and “move, f—ing move”.
“I’m done with this family. I’m out, this is f—ing ridiculous,” the man said as the girl was heard sobbing.
“F—ing stupid little s—. You do this every day.”
As the girl continued to cry, the man accused her of talking to him and the foster mother “so bloody rudely”.”
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It's worth a mention on the thread to say that the Big Hole is no-one asked the child if she felt intimidated.
According to her teacher, who she told, the incident seemed minor. (as per the article)
And I am sure I read that the child said in a police interview that he never hurt her.
"Interviews with the child in which they said they had never been hurt by the foster father, helped establish his innocence, McIntyre said."
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bbm. I don't recall a map shown at the inquest that showed cadaver dogs covered that area previous to the 2021 search. I know they were used in the 2021 search.
This is upsetting to me. The recorded evidence shows her distress to his shouting and verbally abusing her and threatening to leave the family, (sobbing uncontrollably and reporting the incident to a teacher). It doesn't matter his intent to get them both to their respective places on time, it's his actions. His actions are intimidating to say the least and I don't know where in a court of law, the victim has to say how they felt for the police to bring charges when they have evidence that someone behaves unlawfully. MOO
Does a judge have to ask a victim in a robbery if they were scared? And if they were not scared, does it mean a robbery is in question if the perp was polite or didn't have the intention of causing fear?
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We haven’t heard the recorded evidence and we definitely can’t say she was sobbing uncontrollably. All we have is a transcript.l’m not going to judge parents in a situation l have never experienced
During an argument while dropping the girl to school in November 2020, the man screamed and berated her as she sobbed uncontrollably. https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/people/2025/02/10/william-tyrrell-foster-dad-case
Sure, the journo could have embellished or reported exactly what they heard during evidence, who's to say, but on this forum we can quote from relevant MSM.
Also from the same article
“I’m done with this family. I’m out, this is f—ing ridiculous,” the man said as the girl was heard sobbing.
“F—ing stupid little s—. You do this every day.”
However, the prosecution argued a person could be both an exasperated parent and commit an offence of intimidation within the same interaction.
That day at school, the girl told a teacher, who noticed she was upset, that the man yelled at her and she didn’t want to go home.
She sounds very impacted by his method for getting her to school on time after she has been screamed at, directly had an insult sworn at her, and heard him state he wanted to quit the family, to the point that she told her teacher and didn't want to go home that day. I guess she just felt a little sad or lonely and that's why.
He possibly had been charged with the wrong crime and have his conviction overturned due to a technicality. Maybe the charge and argument in court should have focused more heavily on him actually verbally assaulting her with name calling, aggression and intimidation. The law is interesting and often exasperating when it comes to executing it. The last person to hear this case if I recall correctly found this to be a mea culpa scenario (where it was obvious from evidence that the parties were guilty and she would accept their submissions to weigh up their extenuating circumstances). I also recall that she wanted to make a public example of the pair of them however decided against it due to the fragility of one of the defendants. MOO
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Two maps actually, showing the area had previously been searched by two different cadaver dogs. But Dan could only see one map properly from where he was sitting.
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I could not agree with this more.
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?? Never heard of a victim/alleged victim not pressing charges?
Happens lots.
For many different reasons, of course, not all of them good.
And yes, victim impact is definitely taken into account for sentencing for many crimes. Sometimes through testimony, other times through victim impact statements.
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