Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[bearbear]

I came across this lil nugget today. Does anyone else remember this back in December 2014?

“Today, somebody is keeping a secret. They got up this morning. Had breakfast. Realised they need to pick up some more milk. Wasted time on Facebook. Made some calls. All the while maintaining a poker face.”

This was up on the Facebook page Bring Little Spiderman WT home. Can’t remember if it was up by the fp or GJ.

dailytelegraph.com.auhttps://www.dailytelegraph.com.auRepairman's home searched in hunt for missing William Tyrell | Daily Telegraph

yes, it was so creepy, the investigation unearthed a lot of local undesirables

 

[drsleuth]

Yes.... she called him the afternoon of the disappearance cancelling him attending the house the following Tuesday, due to WT being missing. Very prescient of her IMO to think he wouldn't be found for the next 4 days. That information comes from her full video walk through. Can't help but make me think that a theory should have probably been devised by police involving FGM, FFC and some of the named POI's over the course of the investigation. Trusting the wrong people to transport and move a child on? MOO

I'm not even sure that the FGM phoned GO on the day? ( this never came up in GO's evidence ) I'm also not sure that I put alot of weight on what the FGM has said IMO

I'm not sure that the FGM's full walkthru video has been released to the public?

What do you mean by transport & move on?

Are you thinking that the FFC or FGM gave WT to a POI & they than moved him on??

 

[Chrissy74]

I'm not even sure that the FGM phoned GO on the day? ( this never came up in GO's evidence ) I'm also not sure that I put alot of weight on what the FGM has said IMO

I'm not sure that the FGM's full walkthru video has been released to the public?

What do you mean by transport & move on?

Are you thinking that the FFC or FGM gave WT to a POI & they than moved him on??

 

[Chrissy74]

I'm not even sure that the FGM phoned GO on the day? ( this never came up in GO's evidence ) I'm also not sure that I put alot of weight on what the FGM has said IMO

I'm not sure that the FGM's full walkthru video has been released to the public?

What do you mean by transport & move on?

Are you thinking that the FFC or FGM gave WT to a POI & they than moved him on??

There’s also the adjusted timestamp of 9:35am on the photos is incorrect and that the 7:35am timestamp is in fact the true created time.

There’s a 3hr time difference between Bali (Jakarta/Indonesia) and Sydney. That’s an undisputed fact. When an adjustment is made to the timestamp to account for daylight savings for example (NO daylight savings when photo was taken) the time adds an extra hour, not subtracts an hr. The 3hr difference is a constant. Therefore 7:35am photos when converted to UTC time would be 10:35am and if it accounts for daylight savings, the time would be 11:35am.

Camera set to local Bali times either by fp or by default (as per FAT32 SD card file format)
If camera does not have a Timezone, the timestamp remains the same time.
When a Timezone is accounted for then the UTC rules apply of UTC+10hrs and UTC+11hrs for daylight savings.
Either way it’s not possible to have a timestamp adjustment of only 2hrs.

IMO NSWPF are aware of this

 

[SouthAussie]

There’s a 3hr time difference between Bali (Jakarta/Indonesia) and Sydney. That’s an undisputed fact.

"Bali operates on Central Indonesia Time (WITA), which is 2 hours behind Sydney during Australia's winter months. However, during Daylight Savings Time (October to April), the difference increases to 3 hours."
Travel Times Explained

"In late July to early August, 2014, the foster parents took William on a holiday to Bali." Link

 

[LolaAngelina]

There’s also the adjusted timestamp of 9:35am on the photos is incorrect and that the 7:35am timestamp is in fact the true created time.

There’s a 3hr time difference between Bali (Jakarta/Indonesia) and Sydney. That’s an undisputed fact. When an adjustment is made to the timestamp to account for daylight savings for example (NO daylight savings when photo was taken) the time adds an extra hour, not subtracts an hr. The 3hr difference is a constant. Therefore 7:35am photos when converted to UTC time would be 10:35am and if it accounts for daylight savings, the time would be 11:35am.

Camera set to local Bali times either by fp or by default (as per FAT32 SD card file format)
If camera does not have a Timezone, the timestamp remains the same time.
When a Timezone is accounted for then the UTC rules apply of UTC+10hrs and UTC+11hrs for daylight savings.
Either way it’s not possible to have a timestamp adjustment of only 2hrs.

IMO NSWPF are aware of this

Can you link to the information that confirms that 7.35am is the correct time?

 

[drsleuth]

Can you link to the information that confirms that 7.35am is the correct time?

The NSWCC accepted that the time was correct, as all there questioning related to the time period AFTER 09:35 on the 12/9/2014

SC : We accept that as last point of reference , logical starting point ( re photos ) - from my notes

 

[LolaAngelina]

The NSWCC accepted that the time was correct, as all there questioning related to the time period AFTER 09:35 on the 12/9/2014

SC : We accept that as last point of reference , logical starting point ( re photos ) - from my notes

Thankyou! I knew there was something said that the time was accepted but l couldn’t find it.

 

[iiiii's]

The NSWCC accepted that the time was correct, as all there questioning related to the time period AFTER 09:35 on the 12/9/2014

SC : We accept that as last point of reference , logical starting point ( re photos ) - from my notes

Can you link that please? I thought there was an NPO on all NSWCC proceedings

 

[drsleuth]

Can you link that please? I thought there was an NPO on all NSWCC proceedings

It's from my notes.

Only NPO on certain parts

I checked with the court when I was there.

The media have reported widely on the FFC video played from the NSWCC

eg

Police backed up their theory against William Tyrrell's foster mother. Little incriminating evidence was heard

Almost three years since NSW Police first went public with their theory that William Tyrrell's foster mother may have covered up his death, the evidence why is now being examined. But what was that evidence?

www.abc.net.au

Foster mum would have 'owned up' to dumping William Tyrrell's body

William Tyrrell's foster mother has issued tearful denials she dumped the toddler's body after he allegedly...

www.9news.com.au

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother tearfully rejects police theory she disposed of body

Woman questioned in detail about what happened on the morning of 12 September 2014

www.theguardian.com

 

[iiiii's]

It's from my notes.

Only NPO on certain parts

I checked with the court when I was there.

The media have reported widely on the FFC video played from the NSWCC

eg

Police backed up their theory against William Tyrrell's foster mother. Little incriminating evidence was heard

Almost three years since NSW Police first went public with their theory that William Tyrrell's foster mother may have covered up his death, the evidence why is now being examined. But what was that evidence?

www.abc.net.au

Foster mum would have 'owned up' to dumping William Tyrrell's body

William Tyrrell's foster mother has issued tearful denials she dumped the toddler's body after he allegedly...

www.9news.com.au

William Tyrrell inquest: foster mother tearfully rejects police theory she disposed of body

Woman questioned in detail about what happened on the morning of 12 September 2014

www.theguardian.com

Yes I understand the media reported on some parts anyway and I wondered how they got away with it. I heard the coroner give a blanket NPO to that part of the inquest. What parts, broadly speaking, cannot be covered and what can please? Is it just the police theory and her denial of being involved in WT's disappearance? It'd be good to know to be able to discuss that material. Does the coroner's court give you the parameters in a written form or do they just tell you over the phone? Sorry, so many links, any of them cover the time in your initial quote from SC?

 

[Chrissy74]

I find the timing of DB’s release of the additional four podcast episodes to be highly strategic. He appears to have gone to great lengths to unearth any potentially incriminating information about FA, even though it’s unfounded and unrelated to W’s case. In my opinion, the call for the coroner to consider this “new” information is simply a delay tactic—orchestrated by the FP—to prolong the process and potentially postpone the release of the coroner’s findings into W’s disappearance by pushing for a reopening of the investigation, with a focus on FA.

Why are the FP so determined to delay the release of the coroner’s findings? So far, they’ve managed to have unrelated charges overturned, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this latest move ends up working in their favor as well, although I’m really hoping it doesn’t.

I’m sure we will have more details about this over the next few days.

 

[LolaAngelina]

I find the timing of DB’s release of the additional four podcast episodes to be highly strategic. He appears to have gone to great lengths to unearth any potentially incriminating information about FA, even though it’s unfounded and unrelated to W’s case. In my opinion, the call for the coroner to consider this “new” information is simply a delay tactic—orchestrated by the FP—to prolong the process and potentially postpone the release of the coroner’s findings into W’s disappearance by pushing for a reopening of the investigation, with a focus on FA.

Why are the FP so determined to delay the release of the coroner’s findings? So far, they’ve managed to have unrelated charges overturned, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this latest move ends up working in their favor as well, although I’m really hoping it doesn’t.

I’m sure we will have more details about this over the next few days.

Can you link to your stated fact that the claims against FA are unfounded and unrelated to William?
The FP’s have not delayed the inquest nor could they. Where are you getting this information?

 

[Chrissy74]

Can you link to your stated fact that the claims against FA are unfounded and unrelated to William?
The FP’s have not delayed the inquest nor could they. Where are you getting this information?

News.com.auhttps://www.news.com.auWilliam Tyrrell person of interest Frank Abbott allegedly linked to a second ...

We are not suggesting these new allegations are true, just that they were tendered in evidence at the inquest and have not been followed up by the police.

“The Coroner's Court can set aside some or all of the findings and order that an investigation be re-opened if a coroner is satisfied that there
are new facts and circumstances that should be considered. If the Coroner's Court refuses to re-open an investigation, a person who made the request may appeal to the Supreme Court.”
<modsnip - opinion stated as fact>

 

[Chrissy74]

<modsnip - quoted post was removed>

NSW Coroner will consider new evidence if provided by detectives, following news ...
For what reason other than to delay the findings, would the fm and her lawyers be demanding NSWPF further investigate a 25+ yr unsolved



News.com.auhttps://www.news.com.auWilliam Tyrrell's foster mum breaks silence amid new claims aired about person ...

“In the middle of William’s inquest we find three more families who don’t have answers,” said the woman, who cannot be named for legal reasons.That’s not acceptable.
How can they be forgotten?”

ironically, just weeks before final submissions are due to the coroner, fm becomes a public advocate for the families of 3 specific unsolved murders. What about W and his family? Are his biological parents not entitled to know what happened to their son? Coroners through their findings and recommendations provide closure for family members following the death of a loved one, and contribute to systemic reform.

Interesting how CM photo doesn’t represent her true age of 18, when she went missing and her body later found.

 

[Detective Willy]

I agree and stated previously that the William Tyrrell podcast has gone off the rails and the creators of this series are clutching at straws.

It is a wild good chase focusing on a now 90 year old man and crimes he may have committed a very long time ago.

They prove absolutely zero nada nothing about FA being near where William was abducted at the time he was abducted. It is my belief that he was thoroughly investigated and cleared, perhaps when Jubelin was in charge of the investigation?

There appears to be an attempt to undermine the Police investigation and plant red herrings.

Sour grapes perhaps IMO with people who have their own agenda.

 

[BreakingNews]

I would like the latest podcast to be balanced out with another outlining every lie and inconsistencies in everything to do with the ex fosters, including naming them.

 

[JBowie]

As I've mentioned before, IMO an outside party, be that a senior cop from another state or overseas, should have been engaged to take a completely fresh look at it.

 

[drsleuth]

Yes I understand the media reported on some parts anyway and I wondered how they got away with it. I heard the coroner give a blanket NPO to that part of the inquest. What parts, broadly speaking, cannot be covered and what can please? Is it just the police theory and her denial of being involved in WT's disappearance? It'd be good to know to be able to discuss that material. Does the coroner's court give you the parameters in a written form or do they just tell you over the phone? Sorry, so many links, any of them cover the time in your initial quote from SC?

The media didn't get away with anything.

It was said in open court by the coroner, before the FFC's video of the NSWCC was played re NPO's Coroner : "do not apply to the playing of audio played in open court"

The NPO's was around names. I spoke directly to a person at the registry.

You could contact the Coroners Court to ask about the NPO's if you want?

BBM : I don't know

 

[drsleuth]

I find the timing of DB’s release of the additional four podcast episodes to be highly strategic. He appears to have gone to great lengths to unearth any potentially incriminating information about FA, even though it’s unfounded and unrelated to W’s case. In my opinion, the call for the coroner to consider this “new” information is simply a delay tactic—orchestrated by the FP—to prolong the process and potentially postpone the release of the coroner’s findings into W’s disappearance by pushing for a reopening of the investigation, with a focus on FA.

Why are the FP so determined to delay the release of the coroner’s findings? So far, they’ve managed to have unrelated charges overturned, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this latest move ends up working in their favor as well, although I’m really hoping it doesn’t.

I’m sure we will have more details about this over the next few days.

If anyone has delayed the Coronial Findings, it's been SFR, by laying unrelated charges on the FC's, sending the case to the DDP, withdrawing the case from the DPP etc etc etc IMO

Craddock : " Here it would seem that the NSWPF approached the NSWCC with a request that it give consideration of an investigation. That's not something that was done by the Coroner or anyone assisting the Coroner. Police make up their own minds. Police act independent of the Coroner" - my notes

The Coroner was ready to hand down her finding way back in I think June 2021?

Your view that the Witness : William Tyrrell podcast was orchestrated by the FF to re-open the inquest is far from the truth IMO