Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[Karin1974]

Or there’s another truck driver? This doesn’t seem to be the truck driver that FM described.

This whole case is a shambles & I’m now almost convinced that it’ll never be solved & I don’t really believe LE has ANY clue who did this. This whole case has been about throwing stuff at walls & hoping something sticks, and, as each new person came in to lead the team, they just threw more stuff at the wall. MOO

 

[Wexford]

Well, Mr Bashkurt has testified .... it doesn't sound like he is speaking of the FM but instead is speaking of the overweight woman we heard about very early in this case. The one who was driving the black Camry. And then he also saw a dual cab ute, and an old dark coloured BMW.


Asked where he had seen the car 'you considered acting suspiciously' and driven by a woman, Mr Bashkurt said he saw it twice, in Kendall and nearby Kew.
He described a black Toyota Camry driven by an overweight blonde woman.

Mr Bashkurt told police that he had seen the black Toyota parked across the road from him at an old bus stop and that she had unnecessarily crossed the road in her car and parked too closely in front of him.
'I don’t know what triggered her to move from the location she was at. She didn’t need to come and park in front of me,' he said.
'Something must have triggered her to do that. I actually pulled out from behind her, because she was so close, I had to back up a bit. That was a bit odd for me.'
When he saw the car again in Kendall he saw a blonde, overweight woman exit it and go into the town's Op Shop.

Mr Bashkurt's third sighting of cars came as he exited with the excavator loaded on his truck along Batar Creek Road ....
He saw an approaching 'gunmetal grey' tradies' dual cab ute loaded with tools, and an early 1980s model BMW which he told police at the time was black with a ladder on top of it.
But testifying on Wednesday, he said it was 'dark red, maybe burgundy'.

Truckie reveals 'suspicious' sight on the day William Tyrrell vanished

I don't think this is the truck driver witness everyone was expecting. This is a different truck driver to the one that the FM apparently saw when she was driving with her head out the window. I'm guessing there are a lot of disappointed spectators at the inquest today. No posing for cameras with 'v signs' today, I guess.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

I do remember about someone seeing an overweight woman, not driving but standing next to her car.

It all seems like a long time ago now

 

[Lemony]

While the truckie has nothing to do with FM, I hope the police were able to track down the three cars seen that morning.

Black Camry
Grey tradies dual cab ute
Early 1980s BMW

 

[Lemony]

Here is the audio of the call Peter Bashkurt made to 2GB back on the 16th Sept 2014. I think it was posted and discussed back in threads years ago Ray Hadley: Desperate search for missing boy

 

[SouthAussie]

Tomorrow they are going to hear .... "A four-hour grilling of the foster mother before the NSW Crime Commission will be played on Thursday before the inquest comes to a close".

Sounds as if maybe there will be no testimony on Friday.

Also, a little more on why the truck driver felt suspicious of the Camry woman ... and I am guessing she never came forward. Even though (IIRC) they asked everyone who was in Kendall that morning to let the police know.

Something must have “triggered” the woman to make her park in front of his vehicle, he told the court.
“Why would she be there killing time and eventually turning up at the location where I was?” the truck driver asked.
“What was her purpose? I have no idea.”

‘Why would she be there?’: Truck driver testifies as William Tyrrell probe continues

The inquest is testing an allegation William’s foster mother disposed of his body after a fatal accident.

7news.com.au

 

[JBowie]

This whole case is a shambles

... and IMO it has been since Minute 1.

I guess that's not altogether unexpected when it occurs in a sleepy backwater with a small police station staffed with inexperienced officers and a community comprising quite a number of pretty weird -- not to say undesirable -- characters.

It would (will?) make quite a movie. The great pity and tragedy is that likely there will be no conclusion, other than ongoing speculation.

 

[Awakening]

I do remember about someone seeing an overweight woman, not driving but standing next to her car.

It all seems like a long time ago now

That was Ron Chappell who described a plump blonde woman driving recklessly past his house with an unrestrained boy in a Spiderman suit, but it wasn’t the cars this truckie described. Can’t remember exactly what Ron said about the cars.

And I thought it was later determined a woman was taking her son somewhere that day.

 

[sleepinoz]

I do remember about someone seeing an overweight woman, not driving but standing next to her car.

It all seems like a long time ago now

What you remember Tootsie is the same truck driver, in the interview that Lemony has quoted below.

Here is the audio of the call Peter Bashkurt made to 2GB back on the 16th Sept 2014. I think it was posted and discussed back in threads years ago Ray Hadley: Desperate search for missing boy

That was Ron Chappell who described a plump blonde woman driving recklessly past his house with an unrestrained boy in a Spiderman suit, but it wasn’t the cars this truckie described. Can’t remember exactly what Ron said about the cars.

And I thought it was later determined a woman was taking her son somewhere that day.

The woman Ron Chappell described is very similar, but a different vehicle.

This is something that IMO the strike force should follow up. Could this be the same woman?

 

[Marg944]

I thought a BMW was previously mentioned….

Why CCTV at local club could prove crucial in William Tyrrell case

CCTV shows the car of a Kendall neighbour leaving a tennis club after hearing police get a call more than hour before William Tyrrell's Triple-0 call.

www.dailymail.co.uk

‘Why would she be there?’: Truck driver testifies as William Tyrrell probe continues​

“After he picked up the excavator, he said he saw a grey dual-cab ute loaded with tools and a 5-series BMW coming towards him on Batar Creek Rd — the location of later police searches for William or his remains.”

‘Why would she be there?’: Truck driver testifies as William Tyrrell probe continues

The inquest is testing an allegation William’s foster mother disposed of his body after a fatal accident.

7news.com.au

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Maybe the woman who stopped near the truck thought it was a rest area, because the truck was there.

 

[JLZ]

It seems he saw the black car twice, but he didn't say he saw the woman driver twice. I wonder if he's jumping to a conclusion saying it was the same car. However (jumping to a conclusion myself) it's odd that she apparently has not been identified.

 

[iiiii's]

Does anyone know if any times were given by the truck driver about the times he saw this woman or the 3 different vehicles?

 

[SouthAussie]

I thought a BMW was previously mentioned….

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Why CCTV at local club could prove crucial in William Tyrrell case

CCTV shows the car of a Kendall neighbour leaving a tennis club after hearing police get a call more than hour before William Tyrrell's Triple-0 call.

www.dailymail.co.uk

‘Why would she be there?’: Truck driver testifies as William Tyrrell probe continues​

“After he picked up the excavator, he said he saw a grey dual-cab ute loaded with tools and a 5-series BMW coming towards him on Batar Creek Rd — the location of later police searches for William or his remains.”

‘Why would she be there?’: Truck driver testifies as William Tyrrell probe continues

The inquest is testing an allegation William’s foster mother disposed of his body after a fatal accident.

7news.com.au

I think that RD's BMW looks grey or silver in colour. (You can tell the car next to it is red). The BMW the truckie saw was a dark colour.

Maybe the truckie's evidence was not only about what vehicles he saw, but also about what he himself was doing at the time that William disappeared? Seeing that he was in Kendall at the time.

His testimony really covered 4 vehicles on Batar Creek Road ... himself and three others. I guess it goes, somewhat, to show the amount of people who were in the vicinity.


He told police in a statement that he also saw a black ’80s BMW with a ladder on the roof.
Mr Bashkurt told the court on Wednesday that the BMW may have been dark coloured or “burgundy”.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inquest-to-probe-day-what-happened-in-hours-after-williams-disappearance/news-story/2f97c656f10125d18c1404173084ed38

 

[Karin1974]

I think that RD's BMW looks grey or silver in colour. (You can tell the car next to it is red). The BMW the truckie saw was a dark colour.

Maybe the truckie's evidence was not only about what vehicles he saw, but also about what he himself was doing at the time that William disappeared? Seeing that he was in Kendall at the time.

His testimony really covered 4 vehicles on Batar Creek Road ... himself and three others. I guess it goes, somewhat, to show the amount of people who were in the vicinity.


He told police in a statement that he also saw a black ’80s BMW with a ladder on the roof.
Mr Bashkurt told the court on Wednesday that the BMW may have been dark coloured or “burgundy”.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inquest-to-probe-day-what-happened-in-hours-after-williams-disappearance/news-story/2f97c656f10125d18c1404173084ed38

Again, he saw all those vehicles & also saw nothing. The inquest is full of nothings. I feel so disappointed & really sick of seeing the same bungled police investigations time & time again. I apologise for my negativity, I was just so hoping for an outcome for what happened to little WT. MOO & IMO.

Edited to add MOO & IMO.

 

[Zedx]

I think that RD's BMW looks grey or silver in colour. (You can tell the car next to it is red). The BMW the truckie saw was a dark colour.

Maybe the truckie's evidence was not only about what vehicles he saw, but also about what he himself was doing at the time that William disappeared? Seeing that he was in Kendall at the time.

His testimony really covered 4 vehicles on Batar Creek Road ... himself and three others. I guess it goes, somewhat, to show the amount of people who were in the vicinity.


He told police in a statement that he also saw a black ’80s BMW with a ladder on the roof.
Mr Bashkurt told the court on Wednesday that the BMW may have been dark coloured or “burgundy”.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inquest-to-probe-day-what-happened-in-hours-after-williams-disappearance/news-story/2f97c656f10125d18c1404173084ed38

Totally agree, IMO the truck drivers testimony was more so to point out that there were several cars in the area at the time of WT's disappearance of which neither the neighbors nor any one else saw or heard. So if no one saw or heard these 4 vehicles, its quite likely there could have been more unidentified cars/people in the area. IMO this would uphold a random abduction theory.

 

[JLZ]

I think that RD's BMW looks grey or silver in colour. (You can tell the car next to it is red). The BMW the truckie saw was a dark colour.

Maybe the truckie's evidence was not only about what vehicles he saw, but also about what he himself was doing at the time that William disappeared? Seeing that he was in Kendall at the time.

His testimony really covered 4 vehicles on Batar Creek Road ... himself and three others. I guess it goes, somewhat, to show the amount of people who were in the vicinity.


He told police in a statement that he also saw a black ’80s BMW with a ladder on the roof.
Mr Bashkurt told the court on Wednesday that the BMW may have been dark coloured or “burgundy”.

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/inquest-to-probe-day-what-happened-in-hours-after-williams-disappearance/news-story/2f97c656f10125d18c1404173084ed38

Lots of detail in that link. I think the point is that he is a likely candidate for the truck driver FFC said she saw, but he did not notice her. He turned out of Cobb & Co Rd at the corner where FFC said she stopped. I can't remember whether she ever mentioned the truck was carrying something like an excavator?

Totally agree, IMO the truck drivers testimony was more so to point out that there were several cars in the area at the time of WT's disappearance of which neither the neighbors nor any one else saw or heard. So if no one saw or heard these 4 vehicles, its quite likely there could have been more unidentified cars/people in the area. IMO this would uphold a random abduction theory.

When we talk about the neighbours seeing or hearing cars, we mean the Benaroon Drive and Ellendale Crescent neighbours observing cars in those two streets. The neighbours would not be able to comment on how many cars passed up or down Batar Creek Road.

 

[Awakening]

There has to be more to it then what the public are privy to. No way are police getting the go ahead to spend money and resources on the big dig without something other than a theory.

 

[SouthAussie]

There has to be more to it then what the public are privy to. No way are police getting the go ahead to spend money and resources on the big dig without something other than a theory.

There does not need to be something more to it.

Jubes explained in the 2nd episode of I Catch Killers with Dan Box that the huge 2018 forensic search (and all of the money spent on that) was conducted simply to show that William did not lose himself - or not lose himself anywhere within the vicinity of FGM's house/Benaroon Drive/Batar Creek Road/the forest trails. That he wasn't laying there previously undiscovered.

I am pretty sure that the 2018 forensic search was also done at the Coroner's request. For obvious reasons. She needs to be able to include or exclude things in her final determination.

This is why I find it helpful to listen and read everything about this case. Because I learn things that the public has not realised before.

imo

 

[Awakening]

There does not need to be something more to it.

Jubes explained in the 2nd episode of I Catch Killers with Dan Box that the huge 2018 forensic search (and all of the money spent on that) was conducted simply to show that William did not lose himself - or not lose himself anywhere within the vicinity of FGM's house/Benaroon Drive/Batar Creek Road/the forest trails. That he wasn't laying there previously undiscovered.

I am pretty sure that the 2018 forensic search was also done at the Coroner's request.

This is why I find it helpful to listen and read everything about this case. Because I learn things that the public has not realised before.

imo

Then I should probably be clearer and state this is based on my opinion and is my experience of having family and friends in the force in WA and VIC, but not NSW.