Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[Megnut]

I haven't discounted the very real possibility Wm could have been moved twice. The extra protections afforded the foster parents because of foster rules (protecting the nanes/identities of children in the foster system) may have been a huge advantage. For example, if days later she was throwing trash away at dumpster, who would know who she was or why it might have been significant? If she borrowed a car, if she said she was going to visit her mother or to visit her father's grave, if she went for a walk ... no one would think she had dark intent....

It gave her time, it gave her anonymity and invisibility... the perfect cover to get rid of evidence for good.

Maybe that's why there isn't any.

JMO

 

[Shadow@light]

IMO regarding the comment FFC said to friend which was secretly recorded, I can see the on both sides of the coin.

(A) She does know and how it was done. Which you all have expressed your opinions which I respect and could be correct
(B)
She believes him taken or lost in the Australia Bush, there has been cases where people have got lost or a crime commited their remains have been found years later.
(Few years ago a little girls remains was found in a suitcase near a highway in Australia, which she and her Mother were missing unknown for years, after find the girl connecting the dots, woman remains found years earlier in NSW Forrest was her Mother the crime was solved and the Person is now in Prision.
I believe this happened /and the trial before the telephone call was recorded which could been on FFC mind.
IMO, the statement is a general expression , not of guilt said in frustration and pain, and the constant pressure she was under Guilty or Not Guilty.
IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

I’m always suspicious of suspects who natter about “there’s no evidence I did it.” You should know whether you did it or not.

Presumably then there is more than one person on the list, because she is not the only person to claim innocence.

For example, Paul Savage said strange things on the secret recordings and has claimed innocence.
And Frank Abbott said strange things about William to many people and has claimed innocence.

Too many people have been brushed aside.

imo

 

[Detective Willy]

I’m always suspicious of suspects who natter about “there’s no evidence I did it.” You should know whether you did it or not.

I always find this strange too.

An innocent person says “I didn’t do it so get stuffed” not “Where is the Proof that I DID It!””.

It always sounds smug and like “nobody saw me do it and I got away with it” IMO.

 

[Karin1974]

"I don’t believe that if I had done anything to William that I would have tried to cover it up, I would own up to it. I just can’t see it in me....

...I mean how much time did I have, It’s just impossible, no evidence."


Here's what gets me.

She engages in speculation/circumspection with herself that she doesn't think she'd cover it up if it was accidental.

What?

She IS herself.

IMO it's very third persony, distancy, pointlessly nebulous ... and "I... don't believe... I would have..."

What is she comparing to? Amnesia?. H

I might never be (think of myself) as the sort to... doesn't preclude me from doing something in a particular instance that might be totally out of character (how I see myself or how others see me or how I want others to see me) when confronted with a situation I caused, directly or indirectly, and I only have one moment to decide, not what I would do, but what I'm going to do.

"I just can't see it in me." <----- these may be the truest words she's ever spoken. And IMO an embedded confession. I don't see myself that way. I don't see myself doing that.

Why would someone who didn't cover up the death of a child, wonder if she's the kind of person who would do that? When she either did or didn't!!!!

1. It's deflectionary. It takes the conversation off facts and recall into the realm of theory. Safer that way. No longer talking about fud she or didn't but would she or worldly she. 99.999% she (thinks she) would never do such a thing. IN THEORY.

2. And she follows it to by asking herself a rhetorical question. That's bizarre. Like she can't skip the question and just answer it. "I mean, how much time did i have?" Pretty self-serving too, when she manipulated time. There's a missing half hour between last seeing Wm and the few minutes she told dispatch he's been missing. So, sure -- there's no time for a drive if she made that call five minutes after he disappeared.

To me, that she's engaged in would haves tells me she's keeping the narrative in the realm of speculation where she has more control of it.

Did you cover up Wm's death?

I don't believe I would have.

(And there's no evidence. But if there was evidence? Which there is. Evidence she lied about the elapsed time, omitted the car ride... but she's doubling down? I don't believe I would have AND there's no evidence. That's her defense.)

If she wouldn't have done it AND she in fact didn't do it, why engage in speculation about whether she would have? It is a word salad loop. A purposeful word salad loop.

JMO

William Tyrrell's foster mum sobs after hearing secret phone call

The inquest into William Tyrrell's 2014 disappearance heard a secretly recorded phone call in which it was claimed his foster mum talked to a friend about 'a skeleton' in a clearing'

www.dailymail.co.uk

IMO - I perceive it completely differently. People have suspected her for 10+ years now, put yourself in her shoes for one minute. She’s questioning everything because she doesn’t understand how this has happened, I perceive her as completely baffled as to how he was taken & no one saw a single thing! Nothing makes sense about his disappearance so as his FM, I imagined she was & still is, totally confused as to exactly what happened that day. I see nothing suspicious at all in her musings after what she’s been through. MOO

 

[sleepinoz]

Before this week, many simply trusted that if police believed she was responsible, they must have good reason to suspect her.

This was their opportunity to present those reasons to the coroner, to outline any incriminating evidence they had gathered.

But very little evidence that could be considered incriminating has been presented, at least not in open court.

Police backed up their theory against William Tyrrell's foster mother. Little incriminating evidence was heard

Almost three years since NSW Police first went public with their theory that William Tyrrell's foster mother may have covered up his death, the evidence why is now being examined. But what was that evidence?

www.abc.net.au

 

[Lemony]

The comment was made after William had been missing seven years, that’s a long time to be thinking about what may’ve happened to him. If it was said two weeks after he went missing that would be more of a red flag IMO.
There is logic behind William being out in the bush somewhere regardless of what happened to him, simply because of the vast amount of bushland in that area. Remains being stumbled upon years later is not unique either.

Context is also missing. I hope Dan goes into detail in the next episode of the podcast.

 

[Karin1974]

I always find this strange too.

An innocent person says “I didn’t do it so get stuffed” not “Where is the Proof that I DID It!””.

It always sounds smug and like “nobody saw me do it and I got away with it” IMO.

IMO - Again, it’s all about perception, if I KNOW I haven’t committed a crime but was accused of one, I imagine this is what I would say, knowing that I’m innocent & there is zero proof of my guilt, I’d be asking, prove it, knowing that because of my innocence, there will be nothing to prove because I am innocent, it makes perfect sense to me. Show me what you’ve got because whatever you think you have, I 100% know (Because I’m innocent) & know you cannot prove I did something that I did not do & I’d need to see what it is that makes you believe I am guilty of said crime. MOO

 

[Raina_the_observer]

she was throwing trash away at dumpster, who would know who she was or why it might have been significant?

The whole town knew who she was. Her face was not published in the papers but there were hundreds of people searching and the FPs were around the search HQ and around the town.
A stranger to town might not have known who she was but she didn't have anonymity in Kendall.

 

[SouthAussie]

Before this week, many simply trusted that if police believed she was responsible, they must have good reason to suspect her.

This was their opportunity to present those reasons to the coroner, to outline any incriminating evidence they had gathered.

But very little evidence that could be considered incriminating has been presented, at least not in open court.

Police backed up their theory against William Tyrrell's foster mother. Little incriminating evidence was heard

Almost three years since NSW Police first went public with their theory that William Tyrrell's foster mother may have covered up his death, the evidence why is now being examined. But what was that evidence?

www.abc.net.au

Sounds as if the closed court session - with the witness who could not be identified - revealed nothing new also.

There was one piece of evidence heard in a closed court, which we cannot legally report, but there is no suggestion it was incriminating.

(from your link)

 

[Marg944]

Something has stirred the Police to request further questioning of the FM…..




“In a further bombshell development on Thursday, NSW Police asked for the foster mother to be recalled for questioning before the inquest for the first time since she testified in 2019.”

William Tyrrell's foster mum sobs after hearing secret phone call

The inquest into William Tyrrell's 2014 disappearance heard a secretly recorded phone call in which it was claimed his foster mum talked to a friend about 'a skeleton' in a clearing'

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SouthAussie]

Something has stirred the Police to request further questioning of the FM…..




“In a further bombshell development on Thursday, NSW Police asked for the foster mother to be recalled for questioning before the inquest for the first time since she testified in 2019.”

William Tyrrell's foster mum sobs after hearing secret phone call

The inquest into William Tyrrell's 2014 disappearance heard a secretly recorded phone call in which it was claimed his foster mum talked to a friend about 'a skeleton' in a clearing'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Dan Box said in one of his podcast episodes (prior to the inquest) that he thinks the police will want the FM on the stand, or maybe it was in one of the episodes he did with I Catch Killers (can't remember). In the hopes that she will say something incriminating. Otherwise they will likely have to let their request for advice from the DPP go.

Maybe it was in the I Catch Killers podcasts, because I also remember Jubes saying that a request for advice from the DPP turns around fairly quickly. The longest usually taking about 3 months, in his experience.

When I read what you have linked, I thought how spot on Dan was.

imo

 

[LolaAngelina]

Something has stirred the Police to request further questioning of the FM…..




“In a further bombshell development on Thursday, NSW Police asked for the foster mother to be recalled for questioning before the inquest for the first time since she testified in 2019.”

William Tyrrell's foster mum sobs after hearing secret phone call

The inquest into William Tyrrell's 2014 disappearance heard a secretly recorded phone call in which it was claimed his foster mum talked to a friend about 'a skeleton' in a clearing'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Oh something stirred them alright! The fact it’s now been revealed they have not 1 shred of evidence against fm and they are humiliated. They’re getting desperate.

 

[JBowie]

A stranger to town might not have known who she was but she didn't have anonymity in Kendall.

IIRC, the FM's mother was quite a well-known figure in the Kendall community, and that the FM had sibling(s) living around there, too.

 

[SouthAussie]

I grew up in a town of 5,000 people. Everyone knew who everyone was. If you didn't know them personally, you knew who they "belonged" to. If a visitor was in town, you knew who they were visiting. If someone was new in town, you knew they were new.

Kendall had 1,141 people (in the 2016 census). Link Far less than the town I grew up in.
The foster family had visited a few times already, I think most everyone would have known who the foster family "belonged" to (FGM and her recently deceased husband). They would not have been anonymous.

imo

 

[sleepinoz]

Episode 5

The Evidence | 5

Podcast Episode · Witness: William Tyrrell · S2 E5 · 1h 1m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[bearbear]

The foster mother was also asked about discrepancies in one of her accounts that she was outside on the verandah when William vanished, and the version that nine people, including her siblings, said she'd been inside making tea when he vanished.

who would these nine people be, were there other people at the house that morning or were these people fm had told her story to?

William Tyrrell's foster mum is asked about location of his body

William Tyrrell 's foster mother was asked point blank if she found the toddler underneath the house where he disappeared on that same morning 'under the verandah in the ferns'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SouthAussie]

The foster mother was also asked about discrepancies in one of her accounts that she was outside on the verandah when William vanished, and the version that nine people, including her siblings, said she'd been inside making tea when he vanished.

who would these nine people be, were there other people at the house that morning or were thes people fm had told her story to?

William Tyrrell's foster mum is asked about location of his body

William Tyrrell 's foster mother was asked point blank if she found the toddler underneath the house where he disappeared on that same morning 'under the verandah in the ferns'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

FM said at the NSWCC hearing that she could have been inside making tea. @SLouTh posted an article yesterday that stated that.

It is very possible. I think William was missing for more than 5 minutes.

I also think that way, way, way back in the threads, the first articles may have said that she was inside making tea. IIRC


Ms Callan asked: 'Do you accept it’s possible you were in fact inside making tea when William disappeared?'.
Foster mother: 'I don’t know … yes it’s a possibility.'

Ms Callan asked: 'Do you accept it’s possible you were in fact inside making tea when William disappeared?'.

Foster mother: 'I don’t know … yes it’s a possibility.'

William Tyrrell's foster mum is asked about location of his body

William Tyrrell 's foster mother was asked point blank if she found the toddler underneath the house where he disappeared on that same morning 'under the verandah in the ferns'.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[bearbear]

FM said at the NSWCC hearing that she could have been inside making tea. @SLouTh posted an article yesterday that stated that.

It is very possible. I think William was missing for more than 5 minutes.

I also think that way, way, way back in the threads, the first articles may have said that she was inside making tea. IIRC


Ms Callan asked: 'Do you accept it’s possible you were in fact inside making tea when William disappeared?'.
Foster mother: 'I don’t know … yes it’s a possibility.'

yes, but who would these other nine people be who attested she was inside making tea?

 

[bearbear]

also, could this truck driver who fm said she saw just be another story, a false memory?