Top cop drops William Tyrrell bombshell
Ex-cop Gary Jubelin has dropped a William Tyrrell bombshell: 'I have not seen anything like it'.
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Bruce Morcombe had contacted the FP early in the piece and told them they had to get their voice out there. I looked back through the threads but can't find the relevant post at the moment, the one that states this. I think Insight Communications got involved around this time. IIRC imo
Bruce later went on to actively and publicly criticise the NSW Govt for not allowing the FP to speak out. I did find that post ....
Bruce Morcombe speaks about the government and the privacy issues surrounding William, and spokespeople from FACS were the ones to respond, in this article dated 18 April 2015.
Paraphrasing ...
The father of Daniel Morcombe criticised the NSW govt for refusing to allow William's parents (yes, it says parents) to speak publicly.
A spokesperson for NSW FACS said legal reasons prevented them from being identified.
Bruce Morcombe said he understood the rules, but they needed to be loosened in cases like this.
William's parents are frustrated by the rules.
NSW FACS released a statement saying that their biggest priority is to always act on behalf of the children's safety and wellbeing, they don't intend to jeopardise ongoing police investigations.
Jubelin refused to comment.
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Hopefully you read the article that Marg posted after your post.
Jubes: "'In saying this, if there is an inquiry, if I have not done something right or whatever, I'm happy for the criticism because we've got to improve. We've got to be judged by that."
Although I appreciate your post, it doesn't address how this particular company came to be selected and approved to do this work or their strategies. It must have passed some type of approval from FACS. If it wasn't, I'd be shocked that foster parents who lost a child in their charge would be allowed to commence this unapproved undertaking.
I see the PR company have done some govt. initiative projects in the past. I note that they have worked pro bono for close to 10 years now, that's some dedication when there have been lots of moments throughout the investigation where I'm sure they have had pause for thought.
Besides having an awareness campaign for a missing child there was quite a narrative created around the family he disappeared from, through the website, and various television and radio interviews and a podcast. It promoted a current POI's innocence in various ways when many of us suspected otherwise including some from GJ's team when he conducted interviews with the FP's at Parramatta in 2016, a year after Bruce Morcombe's plea. And then again by the taskforce after the coroner ordered a review of the case after the 2nd last tranche of the inquest.
Former lead detective reveals police bugged car of William Tyrrell's foster-parents
Gary Jubelin, who headed the police investigation for four years, says William Tyrrell's foster-parents were interrogated and placed under a covert operation that involved placing a listening device in their car before being ruled out as suspects.
www.abc.net.au
I note that Bravehearts no longer hosted the Where's William campaign after a financial dispute and then the Daniel Morcombe Foundation dropped the campaign as well when sights were set on the FM. To say the least, this company has been placed in some very compromising positions throughout the campaign but they sit shoulder to shoulder with the FP's throughout all court proceedings and I can't help but scratch my head about who they are actually working for and what their aim is. Is it to truly find WT or is it to use all means possible to defend the FP's? If the latter is true, I wonder how FACS could have approved such a company, surely they want to find out the truth about WT 1st?!
Daniel Morecombe's parents cut ties with William Tyrrell charity
The parents of murdered Queensland schoolboy Daniel Morcombe have cut ties with the Where's William Tyrrell campaign and is trying to get its name and logo off the Tyrrell website.
I read most things that come through including GJ, his reach through the media is quite strong. I don't believe his words, he has proven through his own court cases that he doesn't take any criticism upon himself, it's just lip service and sound bytes to sound reasonable. IMO
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Does no one consider the possibility, that FFC and MFC were given an (all too) important voice in the FACs organisation and that they themselves caused their identities to be concealed? As eloquent as the FPS are, they may have given a number of reasons from the outset, that would have contradicted the identification of their person - officially, of course, with regard to the welfare of the child little W/the two children, but in reality more for their own welfare. MOO
From what I understand of the Supreme Court Judges ruling in regards to APS, the judge outlined that concealment of the FP's identity had been mistakenly enacted up until that point however he accepted new submissions concealing their identity which they applied for and FACS applied for as well. They also put submissions in for their identity to be concealed in the domestic situations in later years when they no longer had custody of another foster child. They had proved that they had legitimate fears for their safety.
This reminds me, the FP's sentence appeals should be happening soon. Does anyone know the date for when that will be heard?
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Although I appreciate your post, it doesn't address how this particular company came to be selected and approved to do this work or their strategies. It must have passed some type of approval from FACS. If it wasn't, I'd be shocked that foster parents who lost a child in their charge would be allowed to commence this unapproved undertaking.
Former lead detective reveals police bugged car of William Tyrrell's foster-parents
Gary Jubelin, who headed the police investigation for four years, says William Tyrrell's foster-parents were interrogated and placed under a covert operation that involved placing a listening device in their car before being ruled out as suspects.
I note that Bravehearts no longer hosted the Where's William campaign after a financial dispute and then the Daniel Morcombe Foundation dropped the campaign as well when sights were set on the FM. T
Insight approached the FP in the first instance. (imo) I will have to look for the link, but I know I read it in a related book or article.
The financial problem was between Bravehearts and Insight. (I just re-read a post about it.) Bravehearts also worked closely with Bruce Morcombe.
The Weekend Australian understands the dispute is not over funds raised by Where’s William, but rather over payment for other work that Insight says it did for Bravehearts on campaigns to educate parents about child safety more generally. Bravehearts says no money is owed. Thread 69, post 205
Eg: Act for Kids, Bravehearts and the Daniel Morcombe Foundation will this week launch e-kidna – an advocacy group promoting system change and education to help keep kids safe. Link
There is a whole bunch of stuff on WS about it, if you care to read back.
Well, that is your opinion. He has spoken publicly about the potential assignation of fault to him and others. If you don't wish to believe him, that's up to you. I certainly haven't found him to be a liar, sometimes to his own detriment. imo
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I know that we have linked the FACS rules about this, here in the past. And Caroline Overington speaks of it in her book.
My own friend who is a foster parent is not allowed to put photos of her foster son on FB or anywhere like that, nor speak of him as a foster child (in general). No identification of him as a foster child is allowed. Until he is 18 years old.
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This is what Caroline Overington says ... (just picked out a few bits that answer your question)
A friend who knew William's foster parents had been in touch to say 'Did you hear about this poor little boy? These people are friends of mine. They are absolutely desperate with worry. They really need your help. Would you consider doing some kind of campaign to help find William?" .....
They wanted to get to work immediately but the timing wasn't right. This was back when Hans Rupp was still in charge, and he wasn't keen on media. His thinking was more: no, we think we can crack this, we've got a good lead, just let us do our job, so Clare and Alice put down their tools.
Some months later, in April 2015, Clare - and all of Australia - saw the foster parents for the first time. Well, to say they saw them isn't quite accurate. The foster parents had, after lobbying by Detective Jubelin, been given permission to tell their story ........
He told FACS they were standing in the way of William being found, and they relented. (The police TV interview was then allowed, lots of detail about that now follows in the book).
Which brings us back to Clare and Alice Collins .... Their motto is "We do PR for good causes"
And so, when a message came into the office in May 2015 saying "Police do want to know if you can help with a campaign about William" they were ready ........
Clare and Alice Collins agreed to do what they could to give it a turbocharge ...... But first they had to meet William's foster parents ....
Ref: Chapter 7, Missing William Tyrrell, Caroline Overington
(I have missed out lots of stuff about Insight's small business, Clare's congenital disorder, surgeries, long recuperations in her childhood, subsequent health related communications work, fundraising for ovarian cancer, etc etc etc.)
And Jubes later explained to Insight what they were and were not allowed to say, according to FACS, ie: no identification as a foster child/foster parents, and every piece of information had to be cleared by police, FACS and the Salvation Army.
The campaign went live on William's 4th birthday. (paraphrased from the same chapter)
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I have been thinking, not a thief, but a scavenger. FGM was downsizing. Perhaps she was getting rid of stuff, and had been progressively putting it out by the road. Say someone's found stuff of value there recently, more than once, and he has a connection to a used furniture shop, they'll buy from him to resell at a higher price. He's come back to FGM's to try his luck, and this time, no furniture but a little boy. If FGM was disposing of property in this way, could it have been investigated where her old goods ended up, and the chain of transfer?
Which makes me think of this (WS Post quoting tweets during the inquest)
Elizabeth Rowley
Local woman Elizabeth Rowley is now on the stand. She owned an antiques shop around late 2013 and 2014 both in Kendall and then in nearby Kew. She told the court Abbott came in on “six to eight” occasions to sell her antiques but she never bought any.
Click WS heading to go to post.
The Crabbs did report hearing a car (turning around in the gravel) They assumed it was the postie.
It is mentioned in Episode 5 of the Witness Podcast.
Yes they did. What does surprise me is the fact that neither the fm or fgm mention hearing that car and we know from fgm statement that from the back veranda it’s impossible to hear a vehicle on Benaroon Drive unless a car enters and drives up the cul-der-sac part of the street then it can be heard. So why didn’t either of them hear the car and if they did why not mention it. My thoughts are that the car the Crabbs heard was the fgm car and also the time W disappeared
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Perhaps the foster grandma didn't hear it because she was, as you say, on the back veranda, and the foster mother didn't report it because... she was driving it.
JMO
The fgm heard it because she knew her daughter had driven her car that morning. There’s absolutely no way not to hear it esp when the back veranda was right next to the carport. Fgm also doesn’t mention her daughter’s drive in her statement. She does however almost slip up in her walkthrough, so she definitely was aware of the drive
Fgm also takes police out onto the back veranda and tells them “this is where it all happened” and IMO that is where it all happened and from there “someone’s gone clump on his shoulders and moved him on”
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Did anyone hear any of the cars that morning (other than the Crabbs who we know heard what they heard)?
There were people coming and going throughout the morning. Judy Wilson, the Crabbs themselves, Richard Donoghue, Heather Savage, Anne Marie Sharpley, the FD - to name a few. There were likely others, as I feel pretty sure that some others must have gone off to work, gone shopping, gone wherever.
We only have heard about what the Crabbs heard, I think, because the police believe that may have been an abductor. And Laura Beacroft verified that the position of their house enabled them to hear a vehicle coming up the street, turning around at the top, and going back down the street.
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There were people coming and going throughout the morning. Judy Wilson, the Crabbs themselves, Richard Donoghue, Heather Savage, Anne Marie Sharpley, the FD - to name a few. There were likely others, as I feel pretty sure that some others must have gone off to work, gone shopping, gone wherever.
We only have heard about what the Crabbs heard, I think, because the police believe that may have been an abductor. And Laura Beacroft verified that the position of their house enabled them to hear a vehicle coming up the street, turning around at the top, and going back down the street.
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The first thing that comes to my mind is the kids were noisy. PS heard them playing.
Of course it is possible they chose to omit it from police.
Anything is possible.
The sound of a car may not have registered if FM and FGM were immersed in other activities such as conversations and interacting with kids. If focus is elsewhere, everyday events such as the sound of a car might not be noticed, and this could apply to anyone.
It’s also not known what FGM’s hearing was like, she was elderly and her hearing may not have been 100%.
It’s also not known what FGM’s hearing was like, she was elderly and her hearing may not have been 100%.
“it was deathly quiet” says grandma
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The context of that statement (according to the DM) is that she was not speaking of the time period when the Crabbs heard the vehicle. Nor when she was sitting on the back deck.
I don't think a person can presume that they weren't chatting on the back deck, or that they were aware of the vehicle sound that the Crabbs heard from a different place and position.
Did Paul Savage hear the vehicle? Did Heather Savage hear the vehicle? Did anyone else hear the vehicle? We just don't know who heard what and when (other than the Crabbs hearing the vehicle, and PS & JW hearing the children).
'When I got down to the road I could see Anne Maree (Sharpley) who lives there.
'It was absolutely deathly quiet. Still. Nothing. I was down on the road talking with Anne Maree and then (the foster mother) came up very distraught and said "I've got to call the police".
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