Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[drsleuth]

But they can't force him to give evidence if it might incriminate him and the Coroner does not want to give him immunity. And I wouldn't blame her for not wanting to give him immunity. At all.


In Victoria and New South Wales, the Coroners’ Act outlines how a witness may object to giving evidence on self-incrimination grounds.
The witness must show 'reasonable grounds' for their objection, proving their evidence could indicate an offence or civil penalty.
The reasonable grounds cannot be speculative. The coroner then assesses these grounds, and if satisfied, the witness need not provide evidence.
However, if the coroner believes the interests of justice require the witness to provide the evidence, the coroner may compel the witness to give evidence and provide a certificate granting immunity from self-incrimination.

The Inquest Series: The ‘right to silence’ in Coronial Inquests

IMO opinion he should have been a witness early on in the inquest, before he got to hear all the evidence & question people .

I understand that he could claim immunity, but if this was done & he was given it at the start than he should have than been booted from the inquest IMO

 

[FromGermany1]

Imagine, little W (his remains) are found around the Bird Tree - we won't know, how/why the perp came to visit Benaroon Dr. on an early Friday morning and took the boy away.

 

[Wexford]

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There was this child Missing toddler found alive in dense bushland

(my link didn't work, it didn't go directly to the post I meant to link to - try Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #78 and Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, Nsw, 12 Sept 2014 - #55)

I vaguely remember the conversation and tried to search it using the name Ally went under and some key words but just kept getting this message:
You do not have permissions to view this page.
It is likely the thread was deleted.

A lot of what she wrote was deleted.

 

[Karin1974]

From what I saw of the last tranche of the inquest, a theory had been formulated around the FFC, based upon her being a suspect that couldn't be cleared. The FFC according to the evidence, has no corroborated alibi for when WT disappeared. The most likely scenario needed to be investigated. That scenario was based on lots of different circumstantial evidence, many statements and covert recordings of telephone conversations and pictures that were entirely relevant to the balcony scenario. The NSWCC presentation to the inquest is under suppression. I can't cover the questioning of the NSWCC in regards to the FFC, however, every line of questioning after being presented with different evidence looked sound to me and dare I say it was a compelling theory (considering I had not really considered it before). Everything in the theory which has been broadly published is why they dug and searched where they did. There was evidence presented during the NSWCC that I had not heard before that compounded the conception of that theory and the suspicion of the suspect. MOO

IMO - Yet they have still not found one single piece of actual evidence against the FM. <modsnip - personalizing> in the beginning, I believed the FM had quite possibly done this, however, after all these years & all these investigations, NOTHING concrete against FM has ever been found & my own logical thinking tells me that she cannot possibly have done this & hidden everything so well. MOO

 

[marv hucker]

Imagine, little W (his remains) are found around the Bird Tree - we won't know, how/why the perp came to visit Benaroon Dr. on an early Friday morning and took the boy away.

If he’s found there, where multiple hearsay pieces of evidence suggest FA put him… I’ll have my conclusion. Whether the law agrees (and can prove it) or not.

 

[marv hucker]

IMO opinion he should have been a witness early on in the inquest, before he got to hear all the evidence & question people .

I understand that he could claim immunity, but if this was done & he was given it at the start than he should have than been booted from the inquest IMO

Begs the question - is the general public served better by FA giving his evidence, with immunity from prosecution?

i don’t know an answer to that and I’m glad I don’t have to make that decision.

This far down the track I suspect the families just want to know.

 

[katydid23]

Honestly FA made a mockery of the court IMO. He treated it like his circus . For his own sick twisted pleasure. IMO

A few eg's of his carry on.................

Eg when a witness did not agree with him ( this was Jan Anderson )

FA : " I put to you that is not correct!"

Witness disagrees ( in relation to where FA was living at the time )

Coroner " You put something to her & she disagreed. Stop your statements Mr Abbott, these need to be questions"

More statements from FA

Coroner " You've just got to focus on question's Mr Abbott"

Than FA kept butting in while Me Craddock was doing re - cross & when told to stop his reply was " Just trying to help Jan out"


Than another witness Dean Anderson ( Jan's son )

FA was making statements about this witness illegally dumping asbestos , which the witness denied.

The witness says " I don't see what that's got to do with why we are here today"

Which the coroner replies " Yes, good point!"

Than FA has one further go " I'm not real good on dates ( after he only a few witnesses later was able to rattled of his most recent court dates & gaols he was in & when he got bail etc with no problem ) but you seem to have an outstanding memory for dates all of a sudden!"

Than with Tanya ( protected witness )

Instead of just not having any questions he had to add at the end of her evidence " No question's . she's only a young girl "

Daniel Parish

FA " I can prove to you beyond doubt I was not "
FA " I know I'm telling the truth"
Coroner " Just ask questions Mr Abbott"
FA continues with his statements..........
Coroner " I'll stop you there Mr Abbott, I've given you some leeway"

There was this exchange between FA & Daniel

FA : " Who asked me to move into property?"
DP : "Wasn't me"
FA:" You calling your brother a liar?"
DP: "My brother was the only person stopping my father from kicking you out"
DP: " 3 times my father came to you on the verandah & asked you to leave"
FA " For a start , lets stop these lies right now.
snip

DP : "Thur 11/9 you were working on the bus. Ray picked you up @ 12pm"
FA : "That again not correct Mr Parish, the police have evidence!"
Coroner: " I've read all the evidence Mr Abbott"

snip

FA : " On your property only seem GO twice!"
DP : " I've seen him ( GO ) more than twice your honor"
FA : " I didn't know GO until I moved to his property"
snip

DP " This has nothing to do with WT"
Coroner : " Yes. I know"

This might just give you all a little taste for what FA was like in court, there is much more of his carry on...........

Honestly he makes me sick

He has always been my number one suspect and he still is.

 

[katydid23]

Because he was classed as an "Interested Party" ie a POI & a significant amount of the inquest was related to him.

He had the same rights to question ( cross examination ) any witness he wanted & certainly did this for the majority of witnesses we heard in the Taree Tranche.

The million dollar question is why he never ended up giving evidence & why that decision is not allowed to be known by the public, when it was suspected that he would give evidence & the Coroner even told him that a few times, when he would ramble on with his statements...........

When the Inquest shut down early, last year or more----all of the momentum seemed to be focused upon FA and his upcoming testimony.

Then there was a rather sudden shutdown, and immediately all of the focus shifted to the 'new suspects' the Fosterers. And FA fell by the wayside.

I wish we could wind it back and continue that scrutiny and get Abbot on the witness stand, finally.

 

[iiiii's]

Found that discussion about the "Bird Tree", Australia - Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27

Follow conversation from members Iawala and Frogwell from October 10, 2017, thread 27, page 55, post #1088 up to page 57, post # 1,126. The three points that the member Frogwell wanted triangulated were 48 Benaroon Dr, the John's River property where TK was lost for a while and the graffitied stump.

 

[drsleuth]

Helen |13

Podcast Episode · Witness: William Tyrrell · S2 E13 · 1h 20m

podcasts.apple.com

Episode 13 - Helen

 

[drsleuth]

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/william-tyrrell-person-of-interest-frank-abbott-has-previously-been-acquitted-of-murder-in-a-disturbing-1968-case/news-story/060df4d6e957ed773d8221e2cbb083a0

William Tyrrell ‘person of interest’ Frank Abbott has previously been acquitted of murder in a disturbing 1968 case​

A “person of interest” in the William Tyrrell disappearance has previously been acquitted of murder in a disturbing 1968 case involving a missing girl.

Dan Box and Nina Young

May 20, 2025 - 5:00AM

The disappearance of a teenager found buried in a shallow grave in 1968 is allegedly linked to a former William Tyrrell “person of interest”, according to three new witnesses.

Two of the three come forward in today’s new episode of the news.com.au podcast investigation Witness: William Tyrrell, talking about the death of 17-year-old Helen Harrison.

The person of interest, Frank Abbott, once allegedly confessed that he “did have sex with her and then … she was going to tell on him”, according to one of these two witnesses.

The second new witness alleged she was told the Abbott brothers “took her out into the scrub and they all had sex with her and then she ended up dead but no one knows how”.

A third witness gave evidence to the inquest into William’s disappearance in 2020, although Helen’s family said police never contacted them to say new information had come to light.

snip

In March 2020, an unidentified witness gave evidence at the inquest investigating William Tyrrell’s disappearance and suspected death, during which Abbott was identified as a person of interest.

 

[SouthAussie]

Helen |13

Podcast Episode · Witness: William Tyrrell · S2 E13 · 1h 20m

podcasts.apple.com

Episode 13 - Helen

I find it pretty astounding that the police never interviewed FA's brother, John, who FA initially said he was with that day (until he changed his story).

 

[BoysTown]

I find it pretty astounding that the police never interviewed FA's brother, John, who FA initially said he was with that day (until he changed his story).

I was shaking my head in disbelief

 

[iiiii's]

Australia Thread 'Australia - William Tyrrell, 3, Kendall, NSW, 12 Sept 2014 - #27'

Sep 11, 2016

William Tyrrell: &#8216;One million reasons&#8217; to come forward over toddler&#8217;s abduction
7:29pm September 12, 2016

A $1 million reward, the largest in New South Wales history, has been announced for information that leads to the arrest of the person who abducted missing toddler William Tyrrell, or for the boy&#8217;s safe return or recovery.

William, then aged three, went...

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the link is from thread 27, page 59. Captain Peacock enters the conversation and talks about the TK incident and the conversation on there is interesting up until page 63 when exploring if there might be a correlation between WT's disappearance and TK getting lost the year before.

 

[iiiii's]

A possible way to investigate FA further, might be to investigate his whereabouts on the day TK got lost at John's River in 2013. He may not have lived there by then but he may have still been visiting the town that day, it's probably a memorable day for locals who searched and they might remember seeing him around. Apparently police approached him around that time about possible child approaches around the town, I believe that came out at the inquest. Do you recall Dr Sleuth? MOO

 

[drsleuth]

A possible way to investigate FA further, might be to investigate his whereabouts on the day TK got lost at John's River in 2013. He may not have lived there by then but he may have still been visiting the town that day, it's probably a memorable day for locals who searched and they might remember seeing him around. Apparently police approached him around that time about possible child approaches around the town, I believe that came out at the inquest. Do you recall Dr Sleuth? MOO

Yes , a protected witness gave evidence that FA was approached by police in 2013 / 14 about an approach of a child in John's River. FA was at the business of this witness's at the time. He had gone there to take FA a birthday card & to take him out for lunch.

The police were asking about knowing anyone with a white ute & FA said he didn't know anyone with a white ute & the witness said he thought that odd as he had a white ute.

I'm not sure this is the same child tho??

 

[FromGermany1]

For all, who don't remember the incident (like me):

Missing toddler found alive in dense bushland

A toddler who went missing yesterday near Taree on the New South Wales mid-north coast has been found safe and well. Police say the two-year-old boy named Tyler was with his mother at an auto-mechanic business in Johns River when he disappeared around 10:30am yesterday. A ground and air...

www.abc.net.au

 

[iiiii's]

Yes , a protected witness gave evidence that FA was approached by police in 2013 / 14 about an approach of a child in John's River. FA was at the business of this witness's at the time. He had gone there to take FA a birthday card & to take him out for lunch.

The police were asking about knowing anyone with a white ute & FA said he didn't know anyone with a white ute & the witness said he thought that odd as he had a white ute.

I'm not sure this is the same child tho??

Thanks for that information. I'm not saying it's the same child. What I am proposing is a theory around FA and a possible lead to investigate around him that may further WT's investigation.

The only missing child case in around the area occurred in 2013 at John's River. Overall it was seen as a child wandering off and he was found on the same property about 12 hours later. Through previous threads, a member looked at that event and triangulated 3 points to see what was at the centre of the them. He triangulated the property WT disappeared from, the property where the child went missing for a while and a graffitied stump in the National Park which had recently been in the news at the time. At the centre he found "The Bird Tree" which as we've heard anecdotally on the podcast, seemed to be significant to FA and I wondered if Dan Box was going to be covering more about that place in future episodes as he seemed to just take us on a yarn and didn't even visit the site.

Also in previous threads a member joined in the posting when referring to the wandering child case. She had family on that property and was there during the search, She quickly dimissed it as a child wandering but could see how an outsider might see similarities to WT's case. As the posting continued, she actually could see the possibility that this other child may have met with foul play as opposed to wandering off.

The links to these threads and posts are in my above posts on this page and the one before it.

The other child was male, 2 y o, went missing on a Friday about 10.30 am on a property he was visiting with his family and it seems the property was for sale around that timem also many of the searchers for WT were at this search too. FA from information at the inquest was talked to by police in 2013 about him approaching children at John's' River. I think it should be looked into more deeply.

 

[FromGermany1]

2021 - Another missing boy, fortunately found alive:

She said the police operation was not over, with officers to piece together what had happened over the past three days.

On Sunday, police seized a white ute, which the family said was seen in the area at the time AJ went missing.

'Little survivor': The moment missing boy AJ is spotted drinking from a creek

Family members hug and weep for joy as a rescue chopper spots missing three-year-old Anthony 'AJ' Elfalak sitting in a deep gully drinking muddy water from a creek.

www.abc.net.au

 

[JLZ]

Do we know what year FA's son died?