Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[iiiii's]

So has she received for her sentencing at this point in time what they used to call, 1 years good behaviour bond with no recorded conviction on her proven offences of assault and intimidation of a child?

Was she under pressure 6 years after WT went missing due being under surveillance for a year? i thought she would not have any knowledge of that. Was anything leaked to ex colleagues about where the investigation was focusing that had put her on edge?

Was she under pressure before the NSWCC served her because the media reported the police were focusing on a different POI? If so, why would that bother her?

Was she under pressure about WT's case because her favourite investigator had been taken off the case and she had no rapport with the new leadership which she publicly vilified during GJ's trial and decided to defend him? Did she find she couldn't throw her weight around with this new crew including Scott Cook who wanted to send WT's case to unsolved because there are so many other families not getting the resources that this case is getting? They are not unlimited.


What pressure was she under about WT's case, at the time she committed these offences, before the searches and the big dig and the NSWCC? Was it the phonecalls from her friends informing her that the police were asking questions about her?

Is there an article that outlines the pressure she was under that was captured on surveillance and was presented to this judge? Again, she should have been unaware of surveillance so any other answers?

 

[iiiii's]

Oh look, here's a cold cases map! OMG! I live in Sydney right in the middle of it all, maybe I should be investigated! Me and 3 million other people. ArcGIS Dashboards

And here is a long term missing person map. ArcGIS Dashboards

This is a sleuthing site, shouldn't we be putting together a timeline of FA's probable residences from 1990?

 

[SouthAussie]

Oh look, here's a cold cases map! OMG! I live in Sydney right in the middle of it all, maybe I should be investigated! Me and 3 million other people. ArcGIS Dashboards

Don't worry. It doesn't sound as if the police there do too much to investigate cold cases. Judging by the evidence presented in the inquiry in 2023.

https://lgbtiq.specialcommission.nsw.gov.au/assets/lgbtiq/transcripts/Transcript-of-SCOI-Day-075-7-July-2023-Public.pdf

 

[iiiii's]

Don't worry. It doesn't sound as if the police there do too much to investigate cold cases. Judging by the evidence presented in the inquiry in 2023.

https://lgbtiq.specialcommission.nsw.gov.au/assets/lgbtiq/transcripts/Transcript-of-SCOI-Day-075-7-July-2023-Public.pdf

Judging from the number, doesn't look like they ever did. You gotta pay people to investigate.

 

[SouthAussie]

Judging from the number, doesn't look like they ever did. You gotta pay people to investigate.

I don't know what the Unsolved Homicides team has been doing since 2008 then, if they haven't been paid to investigate.

Maybe they haven't been trained properly. I think I read earlier (and linked) how VicPol sent someone (Detective Inspector Day) overseas to be trained in investigation of Unsolved Homicides, then they came back and trained others.
Now VicPol also has a dedicated Cold Case website for tips and help. Link


NSW:
In 2004 the UHT was formed as a Review Team to assess unsolved homicides from 1970 to 2000 and make operational recommendations. Between 2004 and 2008 over 400 unsolved homicide cases were reviewed and 190 of those were identified as warranting consideration for reinvestigation.

In 2008, an investigative capacity was included and the number of investigators at the UHT was substantially increased. This included three smaller Regional Unsolved Homicide Teams in Northern, Western and Southern Regions each comprising of four investigators, respectively.

https://lgbtiq.specialcommission.nsw.gov.au/assets/lgbtiq/hearings/20230704/exhibits/Exhibit-51/Exhibit-51-Tab-001M-NPL.0100.0003.0793.pdf

 

[iiiii's]

I don't know what the Unsolved Homicides team has been doing since 2008 then, if they haven't been paid to investigate.

Maybe they haven't been trained properly. I think I read earlier (and linked) how VicPol sent someone (Detective Inspector Day) overseas to be trained in investigation of Unsolved Homicides, then they came back and trained others.
Now VicPol also has a Cold Case website for tips and help. Link


NSW:
In 2004 the UHT was formed as a Review Team to assess unsolved homicides from 1970 to2000 and make operational recommendations. Between 2004 and 2008 over 400 unsolved homicide cases were reviewed and 190 of those were identified as warranting consideration for reinvestigation.

In 2008, an investigative capacity was included and the number of investigators at the UHT was substantially increased. This included three smaller Regional Unsolved Homicide Teams in Northern, Western and Southern Regions each comprising of four investigators, respectively.

https://lgbtiq.specialcommission.nsw.gov.au/assets/lgbtiq/hearings/20230704/exhibits/Exhibit-51/Exhibit-51-Tab-001M-NPL.0100.0003.0793.pdf

yes. You can add another 45 unsolved on top of that from 2009 to 2020, let alone what else may be outstanding in the last 5 years, according to the unsolved homicide map, roughly taking in NSW.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[iiiii's]

We don't really know how deeply the taskforce has dived into FA's past in connection to other crimes because FA was not put on the stand, due to the decision of the coroner. Even though he tried to give the impression at the last tranche that he had been cleared, the coroner still let him sit there and he still sat there via videolink, and he's still a POI and he was covered extensively in MSM when witnesses were called to answer questions about him, so I'm wondering if besides trying to have him looked at harder by the police if this also serves to keep poo pooing the current investigation and to assist the FFC's reputation. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

We don't really know how deeply the taskforce has dived into FA's past in connection to other crimes because FA was not put on the stand, due to the decision of the coroner. Even though he tried to give the impression at the last tranche that he had been cleared, the coroner still let him sit there and he still sat there via videolink, and he's still a POI and he was covered extensively in MSM when witnesses were called to answer questions about him, so I'm wondering if besides trying to have him looked at harder by the police if this also serves to keep poo pooing the current investigation and to assist the FFC's reputation. MOO

If you are speaking of Dan's podcasts (as "this"), he was investigating the investigation.

He has ensured that the public who do not pay as much attention as us - which would be MOST of the public - know that there has been absolutely no evidence discovered, that NSWPOL has taken various paths, none of them have led to finding William, and witnesses who have and who have not been spoken with have had grave concerns about Frank Abbott.

This is not personal. It is MSM for the general public.

Dan is an award-winning journalist of excellent repute. The investigation for this podcast has obviously taken a great toll on him and Nina. He says so. And they are distraught about all of the families who have no answers.

I hope he takes a well-earned break and we hear from him next when the inquest report is published. (Nina, too)

imo

 

[iiiii's]

Kendall in agony over mystery of a little boy lost Just wanted to post this article, one week in from the disppearance when by that stage, Fehon states, there is no evidence of wandering, no evidence of abduction, no evidence of someone known to WT taking him. The hot spot search of a 3km radius and cars being interviewed on the main road has changed to take in 48km squared which includes Middle Brother Forest to do an evidence based search, looking for things fallen off or thrown from cars. Not quite sure what the search entails but if it wasn't far from the road, probably disturbed earth for shallow graves etc. This area encompasses the mountain and bird tree area.

Unless there is intel that we haven't heard, what places FA at Benaroon Dr, what places him behind the shed in Kendall with WT, when he got a lift of RP, what places him near the bird tree the day after WT went missing besides a phone ping which takes in kilometres? If they can locate his phone ping the day after and this was an opportunistic abduction, where did his phone ping from the day of the disappearance? The place was crawling with police and searchers, did he really go into Kendall with WT or hide his body close by in Middle Brother the next day near a tourist site not knowing who might drive along? And people were out there day and night. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Unless there is intel that we haven't heard, what places FA at Benaroon Dr, what places him behind the shed in Kendall with WT, when he got a lift of RP

Witness testimony and a death confession. "Steve" and Ray Porter.

Actually, two deathbed confessions. The 2nd one was mentioned in Dan's podcast. I can't remember the person's name at the moment.

That's what witnesses are for.

imo

 

[Shadow@light]

William Tyrrell's former foster mother has conviction overturned over different child

The woman, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, successfully appealed her conviction for two counts of assault and two counts of intimidation against the different child.

www.abc.net.au

"I accept that she experienced a combination of factors, which were unique and heartbreaking stresses.
"She has been described as a blameless character, which I accept."


"She's a person whose culpability on any view must be regarded as being at a low level and one, which is strongly mitigated by as powerful [of a] subjective case as could be imagined," the judge said.

At the time the woman spoke to a friend about the pressure she was under following William's disappearance, and Judge Kumar found she had demonstrated "genuine remorse" for the psychical assaults.

drsleuth, I agree with you.
I know people will have their opinion regarding Female Foster Career, IMO I understand why, but when you lived something close to that kind emotional situation in gives me understanding. By law William's Female Carer, was in wrong but there is reasons to what happened. IMO
The reason I have this opinion is looking at my own life does give me insight, my first Foster Parents, who I was taken away from at the age of 11 years but we stayed in contact even now they always been upstanding church going people who love me .
( Try my best to keep it short, but giving details to explain is a bit hard)
But there was one incident where my Foster Mother totally lost control and yes it would be considered an assault on me and the family covered it up.
We had years ago, talked about the incident, we understand.
Through my Welfare Files I understand the pressure pot situation my Foster Careers were under, just like the William's Foster Carers were and still under even today.
It happened when I was , for the last fourteen months in the late 1970's, my foster family home life was under deep stress, Welfare Officer was telling families not to allow their children near me so I was isolate bullied at school, , my birthday party held few months earlier, all the kids/Mothers refused refused to touch food/drink at the party.
Welfare decided I need medication, I went through massive mood swings, the medicine was unlabeled, a cocktail of Upper s and Downers, I found in files was an anti pychotic Drug, I was give twice the amount of an Adult( Royal Childrens Hospital in Brisbane even asked my Welfare Officer year later what medicine I was on, as they could read the signs of Drug Abuse, Welfare denied I was on any medication) Files showed he had a bed booked for me in Wilson in Brisbane," a place for trouble Teenagers"/Detention Center/Mental Hospital for the last four years.
My Foster Carers were fighting to keep me, trying to stop the medication, but force to keep giving it to me then my Foster Father Brother died in a accident ( the accident was strange one at the time period in 1970's did not make sense but today it does) , we had to sell up move to his late brother family to help them, Foster family was struggling with Money, then two more family accidents my Foster Father's Late Brother's middle Son was hit by a car, a broken leg, the youngest who was only two years old, mauled in the face by a dog( After a series of operations they saved his eye even today there is only faint scars on his face)
Then the major drought hit Queensland, foster family was struggling in debts, everyone was struggling, but the Foster Family was also at this was under a lot of Town Gossip, they struggled to under this period of time what was happening who was their real friends, once I was gone the gossip stopped. Whispers were, I had pushed the son into the path of the car, bit hard when it happened at the Sunshine Coast and I was over 100 miles away at my Grandparents house. Horrible one was, the dog attack on the toddler was it real or cover up? It took a toll on my foster family. Come to the incident, having a major fight with my Foster Mother regarding my long hair, water was limited to save we had to use Dry Shampoo sometimes then brush it out, always 100 strokes of hairbrush to groom keep hair glossy, I think people remember , you must brush one hundred times, I was refusing to do, Foster Mother said then we must cut your hair shorter, in that second my mind snapped back to when I was much younger around 5/6 years old, school told my Bio Mother my hair was dirty due to the fact it been not wash properly for some time( it was a punishment placed on me) and I was scracthing at school but she .Bio Mother decided no I had head lice, did lice treatment in her way, I turned up at school with my hair cropped short.
Facing my Foster Mother years later , I dared her to do it, threw things then I verbally abused her , looking back I was way out of Control my Foster Mother snapped she grabbed my hair into a ponytail and cut it off. Afterwards, she was shocked about what she had ,but it was a moment in which she reacted, yes she was sorry for what she had done , she did fix my hair into a nice style, my hair rested to my shoulders and family did cover it up, but if Welfare found out I would been taken away right then and Wilson's was waiting..
When I look back this, IMO is the same pressure William's Foster Mother and Father were under? IMO there would be cracks showing to an explosion waiting to happen and it did happen. IMO It was wrong, but there was reasons why. The Police recording the inccidents did none thing, just kept recording, they failed their duty of care. IMO

Hope is a small beam of light shining through the vast darkness.
A light to find William and bring him home.

 

[FromGermany1]

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Kendall in agony over mystery of a little boy lost Just wanted to post this article, one week in from the disppearance when by that stage, Fehon states, there is no evidence of wandering, no evidence of abduction, no evidence of someone known to WT taking him. The hot spot search of a 3km radius and cars being interviewed on the main road has changed to take in 48km squared which includes Middle Brother Forest to do an evidence based search, looking for things fallen off or thrown from cars. Not quite sure what the search entails but if it wasn't far from the road, probably disturbed earth for shallow graves etc. This area encompasses the mountain and bird tree area.

Unless there is intel that we haven't heard, what places FA at Benaroon Dr, what places him behind the shed in Kendall with WT, when he got a lift of RP, what places him near the bird tree the day after WT went missing besides a phone ping which takes in kilometres? If they can locate his phone ping the day after and this was an opportunistic abduction, where did his phone ping from the day of the disappearance? The place was crawling with police and searchers, did he really go into Kendall with WT or hide his body close by in Middle Brother the next day near a tourist site not knowing who might drive along? And people were out there day and night. MOO

Where was the camping location, where a child was heard crying in a camper of a middle-aged couple (as far as I remember): was this location near Middle Brother Forest?

 

[Raina_the_observer]

Oh look, here's a cold cases map! OMG! I live in Sydney right in the middle of it all, maybe I should be investigated! Me and 3 million other people. ArcGIS Dashboards

And here is a long term missing person map. ArcGIS Dashboards

This is a sleuthing site, shouldn't we be putting together a timeline of FA's probable residences from 1990?

I had a look at that map and it seems to correlate exactly with the distribution of population. So no "hot spot".

 

[SouthAussie]

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Where was the camping location, where a child was heard crying in a camper of a middle-aged couple (as far as I remember): was this location near Middle Brother Forest?

That was in The Haven caravan park in Laurieton (at the time). North Brother forest is closer than Middle Brother forest to that location.

Caravan park searched in the hunt for missing toddler William Tyrell



Google Maps

 

[Lemony]

The former NSW Police Commissioner Michael Fuller has confirmed detectives were looking at multiple “persons of interest” in the William Tyrrell investigation at a time police and media were saying publicly the focus was on only one - the boy’s foster mother.

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/former-cop-boss-says-police-had-multiple-persons-of-interest-in-william-tyrrell-investigation/news-story/5922eae435005c4d8c049c72d4f2ce60

 

[SouthAussie]

The former NSW Police Commissioner Michael Fuller has confirmed detectives were looking at multiple “persons of interest” in the William Tyrrell investigation at a time police and media were saying publicly the focus was on only one - the boy’s foster mother.

https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/former-cop-boss-says-police-had-multiple-persons-of-interest-in-william-tyrrell-investigation/news-story/5922eae435005c4d8c049c72d4f2ce60

More people have come forward in the last week ... since the podcast started airing things about FA.


These include allegations Abbott also sexually assaulted other young or teenage victims. The claims were made separately to the Witness: William Tyrrell podcast by three people: one alleged victim, one alleged witness and a third man who claimed he knew the victim personally. Others have come forward in the past week.

(from your link)

 

[BoysTown]

Witness testimony and a death confession. "Steve" and Ray Porter.

Actually, two deathbed confessions. The 2nd one was mentioned in Dan's podcast. I can't remember the person's name at the moment.

That's what witnesses are for.

imo

The 2nd one is Abbotts brother ‘Bluey’

 

[marv hucker]

Don't worry. It doesn't sound as if the police there do too much to investigate cold cases. Judging by the evidence presented in the inquiry in 2023.

https://lgbtiq.specialcommission.nsw.gov.au/assets/lgbtiq/transcripts/Transcript-of-SCOI-Day-075-7-July-2023-Public.pdf

I was trying to find this source to repost

Really it’s the background to all of it. They are barely actively working any cases at all.

 

[marv hucker]

So has she received for her sentencing at this point in time what they used to call, 1 years good behaviour bond with no recorded conviction on her proven offences of assault and intimidation of a child?

Was she under pressure 6 years after WT went missing due being under surveillance for a year? i thought she would not have any knowledge of that. Was anything leaked to ex colleagues about where the investigation was focusing that had put her on edge?

Was she under pressure before the NSWCC served her because the media reported the police were focusing on a different POI? If so, why would that bother her?

Was she under pressure about WT's case because her favourite investigator had been taken off the case and she had no rapport with the new leadership which she publicly vilified during GJ's trial and decided to defend him? Did she find she couldn't throw her weight around with this new crew including Scott Cook who wanted to send WT's case to unsolved because there are so many other families not getting the resources that this case is getting? They are not unlimited.


What pressure was she under about WT's case, at the time she committed these offences, before the searches and the big dig and the NSWCC? Was it the phonecalls from her friends informing her that the police were asking questions about her?

Is there an article that outlines the pressure she was under that was captured on surveillance and was presented to this judge? Again, she should have been unaware of surveillance so any other answers?

Many people would consider having a child anbducted and murdered a stressful experience.