Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[marv hucker]

If you are speaking of Dan's podcasts (as "this"), he was investigating the investigation.

He has ensured that the public who do not pay as much attention as us - which would be MOST of the public - know that there has been absolutely no evidence discovered, that NSWPOL has taken various paths, none of them have led to finding William, and witnesses who have and who have not been spoken with have had grave concerns about Frank Abbott.

This is not personal. It is MSM for the general public.

Dan is an award-winning journalist of excellent repute. The investigation for this podcast has obviously taken a great toll on him and Nina. He says so. And they are distraught about all of the families who have no answers.

I hope he takes a well-earned break and we hear from him next when the inquest report is published. (Nina, too)

imo

I think he covered every single bit of evidence against the FM.

(Ie… diddly squat)

 

[CooperDyl]

I think he covered every single bit of evidence against the FM.

(Ie… diddly squat)

Unfortunately there’s about as much evidence on FA as there is on the FM. He’s a gross human, don’t get me wrong, but there’s nothing linking him to WT apart from third-parties telling us he’s a gross character with history.
It’s all “he might have been there” or “he might have told someone this”. The deathbed confession seemed to lead nowhere, and it doesn’t seem LE have been able to link him to WT at all.
Circumstantial evidence and hearsay can only get us so far - until there’s a confession, some real evidence or unfortunately, a body, this won’t be solved.

Good news is FA will spend the rest of his life behind bars whether he was involved in this case or not.

 

[Chrissy74]

More people have come forward in the last week ... since the podcast started airing things about FA.


These include allegations Abbott also sexually assaulted other young or teenage victims. The claims were made separately to the Witness: William Tyrrell podcast by three people: one alleged victim, one alleged witness and a third man who claimed he knew the victim personally. Others have come forward in the past week.

(from your link)

During the 2021 search, various pieces of material were discovered, collected, and bagged for further testing. One item that particularly caught my attention was a piece of red fabric. During the final phase of the inquest, water and soil scientist Professor Jon Olley told the court that the polyester material used in William’s Spider-Man suit could survive in soil for “hundreds of years.” His expert opinion was likely in reference to the red fabric found at one of the major search sites.

Professor Olley told the inquest he searched a rubbish dump and creeks for the toddler's body.He said he didn’t find the boy's remains, but admitted animals could have removed them like they do with kangaroo carcasses.

Professor Olley also emailed a wildlife expert at the Department of Primary Industries to ask whether bones—or Ws remains—could have been taken by pigs or wild dogs. Coroner GH also submitted the evidence regarding the possibility that Ws remains may have been moved by wild animals.

To me, this makes it seem not only possible, but quite plausible, that W may at some point have been buried not far from the FGM home.

Fm tells a friend “William wouldn't be found for many years "when they are doing clearing" and they find his "skeleton".

In an earlier interview in 2015 fm makes the comment "He's not a piece of rubbish on a road"
.https://www.dailymail.co.ukDaily MailInside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours

 

[SouthAussie]

Unfortunately there’s about as much evidence on FA as there is on the FM. He’s a gross human ...

I don't know if you have listened to the podcasts. FA is a lot more than just a gross human.

The investigation into him has been seriously lacking. Witnesses were not called back when they offered information, or were told that someone would get back to them and no-one ever did. At least 3 important witnesses are now dead.

Thankfully one of them was able to testify - about FA & William - at the inquest.
One gave a dying declaration - about FA & William.
And another gave a dying declaration - about FA & William - that has never been heard in a court.

There are deep local suspicions that FA was involved in at least several rapes and murders. By people who know him well.
But those rapes and murders have never been investigated fully (we know that because important witnesses were never interviewed) and are now cold cases that probably haven't been touched in years.

 

[Chrissy74]

I don't know if you have listened to the podcasts. FA is a lot more than just a gross human.

The investigation into him has been seriously lacking. Witnesses were not called back when they offered information, or were told that someone would get back to them and no-one ever did. At least 3 important witnesses are now dead.

Thankfully one of them was able to testify - about FA & William - at the inquest.
One gave a dying declaration - about FA & William.
And another gave a dying declaration - about FA & William - that has never been heard in a court.

There are deep local suspicions that FA was involved in at least several rapes and murders. By people who know him well.
But those rapes and murders have never been investigated fully (we know that because important witnesses were never interviewed) and are now cold cases that probably haven't been touched in years.

Two of them were allowed to testify at the inquest. Ms. Okpegbue’s claims are, to put it mildly, ambiguous—she seemed more like she was putting words in his mouth than recounting anything factual. Then there’s Anna Baker, who claims she heard a scream while picking strawberries—supposedly from a neighboring town where FA was living—but waited years before telling the police.

And now there’s a new figure on DB’s podcast who can’t recall FA’s brother ever confessing anything about W’s disappearance—but his elderly father, who clearly has dementia, surprisingly remembers it all? Then there’s also the shady individual CO interviewed, who firmly believes in his own mind that FA took W, despite never having seen, heard, or witnessed anything firsthand.

These so-called “dying declarations” are coming from people who neither witnessed the event or were mentally compromised at the time. It’s hard to take any of it seriously.

When FGM gave her statement—which in many parts didn’t align with FM’s—we were told not to focus too much on the discrepancies because she was elderly, frail, and experiencing memory loss.

Clearly, DB has put a lot of time and effort into gathering all this information. Perhaps it would be more appropriate for him to compile it into a file and submit it to the police—not as part of the WT investigation, but as a separate inquiry into FA and any potential connections he may have to other crimes.

 

[SouthAussie]

Clearly, DB has put a lot of time and effort into gathering all this information. Perhaps it would be more appropriate for him to compile it into a file and submit it to the police—not as part of the WT investigation, but as a separate inquiry into FA and any potential connections he may have to other crimes.

I am guessing that you maybe haven't listened to the podcasts. Dan has passed along information to the authorities.

He has mentioned that at least a couple of times now.

 

[Chrissy74]

I am guessing that you maybe haven't listened to the podcasts. Dan has passed along information to the authorities.

He has mentioned that at least a couple of times now.

I’ve listened to bits and pieces, SthAussie. I find it hard to listen to let alone fully trust any journalist whose reporting appears to be driven by a biased agenda. That said, I do respect that DB has followed through with his efforts, and I’m glad his work is now with the appropriate authorities.

 

[SouthAussie]

I’ve listened to bits and pieces, SthAussie. I find it hard to listen to let alone fully trust any journalist whose reporting appears to be driven by a biased agenda. That said, I do respect that DB has followed through with his efforts, and I’m glad his work is now with the appropriate authorities.

I find it interesting that some people say his podcasts are biased. When they haven't heard all that he has said.

If you had listened to it you would have heard the comments he made about the FM.

He has also given everyone involved (where possible) the opportunity to speak, to have their voice heard. Some have accepted. Some have declined. And some haven't even acknowledged his offer.

He has attempted, to the best of his ability, to create a level field.

During the 2021 search, various pieces of material were discovered, collected, and bagged for further testing. One item that particularly caught my attention was a piece of red fabric. During the final phase of the inquest, water and soil scientist Professor Jon Olley told the court that the polyester material used in William’s Spider-Man suit could survive in soil for “hundreds of years.” His expert opinion was likely in reference to the red fabric found at one of the major search sites.

If this piece of red cloth was evidence, Mr Craddock wouldn't have stated very clearly that there is no evidence, that no evidence has been found.

imo

 

[LolaAngelina]

During the 2021 search, various pieces of material were discovered, collected, and bagged for further testing. One item that particularly caught my attention was a piece of red fabric. During the final phase of the inquest, water and soil scientist Professor Jon Olley told the court that the polyester material used in William’s Spider-Man suit could survive in soil for “hundreds of years.” His expert opinion was likely in reference to the red fabric found at one of the major search sites.

Professor Olley told the inquest he searched a rubbish dump and creeks for the toddler's body.He said he didn’t find the boy's remains, but admitted animals could have removed them like they do with kangaroo carcasses.

Professor Olley also emailed a wildlife expert at the Department of Primary Industries to ask whether bones—or Ws remains—could have been taken by pigs or wild dogs. Coroner GH also submitted the evidence regarding the possibility that Ws remains may have been moved by wild animals.

To me, this makes it seem not only possible, but quite plausible, that W may at some point have been buried not far from the FGM home.

Fm tells a friend “William wouldn't be found for many years "when they are doing clearing" and they find his "skeleton".

In an earlier interview in 2015 fm makes the comment "He's not a piece of rubbish on a road"
.https://www.dailymail.co.ukDaily MailInside house where William Tyrrell spent his final hours

Are you talking about the red cloth that was featured in article with other search photos? Since everything found was tested and they have no evidence whatsoever this is likely just another random thing found when searching a creek.
It’s certainly not plausible the expert was giving testimony in regards to this cloth either. He wouldn’t even have knowledge (nor would you expect him to) of a piece of cloth found not related to the case

 

[Lemony]

Two of them were allowed to testify at the inquest. Ms. Okpegbue’s claims are, to put it mildly, ambiguous—she seemed more like she was putting words in his mouth than recounting anything factual. Then there’s Anna Baker, who claims she heard a scream while picking strawberries—supposedly from a neighboring town where FA was living—but waited years before telling the police.

And now there’s a new figure on DB’s podcast who can’t recall FA’s brother ever confessing anything about W’s disappearance—but his elderly father, who clearly has dementia, surprisingly remembers it all? Then there’s also the shady individual CO interviewed, who firmly believes in his own mind that FA took W, despite never having seen, heard, or witnessed anything firsthand.

These so-called “dying declarations” are coming from people who neither witnessed the event or were mentally compromised at the time. It’s hard to take any of it seriously.

When FGM gave her statement—which in many parts didn’t align with FM’s—we were told not to focus too much on the discrepancies because she was elderly, frail, and experiencing memory loss.

Clearly, DB has put a lot of time and effort into gathering all this information. Perhaps it would be more appropriate for him to compile it into a file and submit it to the police—not as part of the WT investigation, but as a separate inquiry into FA and any potential connections he may have to other crimes.

BBM. IMO one of the challenges with this case was the overwhelming volume of tips and information that was coming through. Information can fall through the cracks. I know of a few people that sent their tips through more than once before it was actioned.

 

[Chrissy74]

I find it interesting that some people say his podcasts are biased. When they haven't heard all that he has said.

If you had listened to it you would have heard the comments he made about the FM.

He has also given everyone involved (where possible) the opportunity to speak, to have their voice heard. Some have accepted. Some have declined. And some haven't even acknowledged his offer.

He has attempted, to the best of his ability, to create a level field.

imo

Ive listened to every podcast 1-8 start to finish, except for the latest ones because I knew and IMO was right, that these new podcasts would shift from an objective fact based storyline to a bias narrative driven story.
You say DB is investigating the investigation, but that’s not entirely accurate. He’s pursuing a single line of inquiry—one that the police have already explored in relation to WT. If the coroner, with all her years of experience and extensive knowledge, chose not to have FA testify during the inquest, I trust that decision was made in the best interest of W and the integrity of his case.
A level field should include facts or theories based backed with solid evidence and verifiable details
not unsubstantiated opinions, hearsay, or speculations

 

[sleepinoz]

Ive listened to every podcast 1-8 start to finish, except for the latest ones because I knew and IMO was right, that these new podcasts would shift from an objective fact based storyline to a bias narrative driven story.

BBM - Listened to 8..............there are 15 episodes. I think you may have missed something.

 

[Chrissy74]

BBM - Listened to 8..............there are 15 episodes. I think you may have missed something.

my bad. 1-11.

 

[SouthAussie]

my bad. 1-11.

That's a bit confusing. "I’ve listened to bits and pieces, SthAussie"

Not to worry. I agree to disagree with your points about the podcast.

I’ve listened to bits and pieces, SthAussie. I find it hard to listen to let alone fully trust any journalist whose reporting appears to be driven by a biased agenda.

 

[CooperDyl]

The investigation into him has been seriously lacking. Witnesses were not called back when they offered information, or were told that someone would get back to them and no-one ever did. At least 3 important witnesses are now dead.

This is similar to how the renewed investigation into the FM began, right? The fresh eyes on the case decided that the investigation into her had been severely lacking at that point, and that’s where they focused (whether that’s right or wrong is another matter). Her mother had died, so that’s another important witness dead, never to be spoken to again.

It may be the investigation should now turn to FA, but whether they focus on him or broaden the scope of the investigation all the way back to day one, with how NSW Police have handled this case we’re likely to see it blow out into more and more years of nothing. I’d imagine (hope) that a similar look into FA’s movements was undertaken originally as with FM’s. Since the investigation turned back to FM and has so far led nowhere, maybe now it’s FA’s turn. At least there would be the preliminary investigation to go from.

No matter who the culprit is - FM, FA, or one of many, many other suspicious parties in the region, the investigation has been seriously lacking from day one. Unfortunately there’s no happy ending for this case - even if justice is eventually served it’ll be far too late, and the offending party may be dead (particularly if it’s an older party such as FA).

We’ve had deathbed confessions, suspicious sightings, vehicles that may or may not have been there, drives that may or may not have happened. There really just hasn’t been any real evidence gathered at all. Unfortunately I’ve lost faith there will be anytime soon.

 

[SouthAussie]

This is similar to how the renewed investigation into the FM began, right? The fresh eyes on the case decided that the investigation into her had been severely lacking at that point, and that’s where they focused (whether that’s right or wrong is another matter). Her mother had died, so that’s another important witness dead, never to be spoken to again.

It may be the investigation should now turn to FA, but whether they focus on him or broaden the scope of the investigation all the way back to day one, with how NSW Police have handled this case we’re likely to see it blow out into more and more years of nothing. I’d imagine (hope) that a similar look into FA’s movements was undertaken originally as with FM’s. Since the investigation turned back to FM and has so far led nowhere, maybe now it’s FA’s turn. At least there would be the preliminary investigation to go from.

No matter who the culprit is - FM, FA, or one of many, many other suspicious parties in the region, the investigation has been seriously lacking from day one. Unfortunately there’s no happy ending for this case - even if justice is eventually served it’ll be far too late, and the offending party may be dead (particularly if it’s an older party such as FA).

We’ve had deathbed confessions, suspicious sightings, vehicles that may or may not have been there, drives that may or may not have happened. There really just hasn’t been any real evidence gathered at all. Unfortunately I’ve lost faith there will be anytime soon.

I think it is very possible that the case will likely sit on the Unsolved Homicides shelf for the rest of time - or at least until some evidence does show up someday, if any ever shows up - once the coronial report has been released.

 

[CooperDyl]

I think it is very possible that the case will likely sit on the Unsolved Homicides shelf for the rest of time - or at least until some evidence does show up someday, if any ever shows up - once the coronial report has been released.

Let’s hope not.
Hopefully it has been a wake-up call to NSW Police that whatever systems they work through in these kinds of scenarios don’t necessarily yield results. At least not in this case. If there’s some of remodelling done in the way they approach cases of missing children, maybe this doesn’t happen to another child down the line. At least that way something positive may come of this.

That being said, I’d happy to eat my words (of having no faith) if the current investigation DOES yield results - although it’ll still be far too little far too late. I’m sure there are good people involved in the investigation doing everything they can to solve the case. It just hasn’t worked.

 

[SouthAussie]

Let’s hope not.
Hopefully it has been a wake-up call to NSW Police that whatever systems they work through in these kinds of scenarios don’t necessarily yield results. At least not in this case. If there’s some of remodelling done in the way they approach cases of missing children, maybe this doesn’t happen to another child down the line. At least that way something positive may come of this.

That being said, I’d happy to eat my words (of having no faith) if the current investigation DOES yield results - although it’ll still be far too little far too late. I’m sure there are good people involved in the investigation doing everything they can to solve the case. It just hasn’t worked.

I certainly hope they can dedicate a resource to go through all those files, all those tips, and the entirety of the secret recordings of PS, and find that piece of information that has been missed.

At the same time, they need to get onto those other unsolved homicides that have been languishing. Try to give some other families some peace, as well.

imo

 

[iiiii's]

I had a look at that map and it seems to correlate exactly with the distribution of population. So no "hot spot".

I used the term hot spot in my post adding an article from the 1st week of disappearance. The article used the term and I understand they were using the disappearance site as the middle of an initial 3km radius search, and used that term.

 

[BreakingNews]

Justice for William hasn't been served.