Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[drsleuth]

Ive listened to every podcast 1-8 start to finish, except for the latest ones because I knew and IMO was right, that these new podcasts would shift from an objective fact based storyline to a bias narrative driven story.
You say DB is investigating the investigation, but that’s not entirely accurate. He’s pursuing a single line of inquiry—one that the police have already explored in relation to WT. If the coroner, with all her years of experience and extensive knowledge, chose not to have FA testify during the inquest, I trust that decision was made in the best interest of W and the integrity of his case.
A level field should include facts or theories based backed with solid evidence and verifiable details
not unsubstantiated opinions, hearsay, or speculations

BBM : Isn't that exactly what the the NSWPF has done with the FFC???

Well they certainly didn't have the solid evidence & substantiated opinions / theory to give to the coroner.


Gerard Craddock SC, the Counsel Assisting the Coroner, said a statement from the lead investigator on the case Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw had been heavily redacted as it was “in the form of one person’s opinions about what evidence shows”.
The determination of this inquest at this stage is to concentrate on facts,” Mr Craddock said.

 

[iiiii's]

BBM. IMO one of the challenges with this case was the overwhelming volume of tips and information that was coming through. Information can fall through the cracks. I know of a few people that sent their tips through more than once before it was actioned.

Agree, at the inquest, an information analyst said that everytime the case is publicised since early 2015, and police front the media, urging the public to phone crimestoppers with their tips, there is a spike in events to log into the police system. It's interesting because people who really are sitting on information that might inadvertantly lead to WT's perp, don't seem so inclined to pass on their information to police unless either the police come knocking or a journalist shows up at the door. An example would be for 2 different POI's, Michelle White with her photos and reports of the house just after the disappearance or IN and her suspicions about the backroads and other women who had come to harm and FA's connection to those women. IMO

 

[drsleuth]

Agree, at the inquest, an information analyst said that everytime the case is publicised since early 2015, and police front the media, urging the public to phone crimestoppers with their tips, there is a spike in events to log into the police system. It's interesting because people who really are sitting on information that might inadvertantly lead to WT's perp, don't seem so inclined to pass on their information to police unless either the police come knocking or a journalist shows up at the door. An example would be for 2 different POI's, Michelle White with her photos and reports of the house just after the disappearance or IN and her suspicions about the backroads and other women who had come to harm and FA's connection to those women. IMO

BBM: This was heard at the inquest in IN's evidence.

Craddock asked questions about HH & she was also asked about FA driving back roads.

I'm sure I have posted IN's testimony here before.

 

[SouthAussie]

Agree, at the inquest, an information analyst said that everytime the case is publicised since early 2015, and police front the media, urging the public to phone crimestoppers with their tips, there is a spike in events to log into the police system. It's interesting because people who really are sitting on information that might inadvertantly lead to WT's perp, don't seem so inclined to pass on their information to police unless either the police come knocking or a journalist shows up at the door. An example would be for 2 different POI's, Michelle White with her photos and reports of the house just after the disappearance or IN and her suspicions about the backroads and other women who had come to harm and FA's connection to those women. IMO

I am not sure when Iris Northam first contacted the police, but she gave evidence at the inquest in March 2020.

Neighbour had 'funny feeling' about William Tyrrell person of interest

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The William Tyrrell inquest has resumed in Taree, but sex offender Tony Jones is still on his way here from Sydney and won’t resume his testimony until later this morning. Local woman Iris Northam has taken the stand. Her and husband ran a scrap metal business.
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Mrs Northam told the court she and her husband previously employed Frank Abbott to do “odd jobs” around the scrap metal yard. Abbott is a person of interest in the case and is currently serving jail time for child sexual offences. He’s listening to the...

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[iiiii's]

BBM : Isn't that exactly what the the NSWPF has done with the FFC???

Well they certainly didn't have the solid evidence & substantiated opinions / theory to give to the coroner.


Gerard Craddock SC, the Counsel Assisting the Coroner, said a statement from the lead investigator on the case Detective Chief Inspector David Laidlaw had been heavily redacted as it was “in the form of one person’s opinions about what evidence shows”.
The determination of this inquest at this stage is to concentrate on facts,” Mr Craddock said.

“Insofar as advocates wish to put forward inferences, they can do so, so long as they take into account all of the evidence and provide Your Honour with assistance – not of opinions – but of proper fact findings processes.”

This is difficult to debate because we would have to agree on what constitutes evidence. There is no body or DNA evidence. There is however an eye witness/POI whose information has been shown to be consistently unreliable and contradicted and does not clear her after more than 10 years, except to say, WT was not found during the police digs. I have the feeling that when the police reviewed the case and designed the search, the coroner was close to handing down her findings, and was frustrated at the police following this lead. I'd say from what I witnessed at the inquest, the scope of the design of the search had to follow a clear trail of evidence. That evidence is as follows, She is placed at the scene of the abduction and a gap in her visibility to others at the exact time of the child going missing, police have her initial statments and statements taken over time, photographs of the abduction crime scene, telephone and sms records, search reports, police reports, facs reports and photos of the crime scene, phone pings, other eye witness statements and surveillance.

With FA's evidence we have phone pings, searches at different properties, eye witness statements and a lot of 2nd-5th hand accounts, surveillance, what else?

 

[iiiii's]

BBM: This was heard at the inquest in IN's evidence.

Craddock asked questions about HH & she was also asked about FA driving back roads.

I'm sure I have posted IN's testimony here before.

Thanks for that, so the police have it and would have more access than anyone about those cases. Maybe they didn't need IN's input to take it any further with her, maybe police had already looked into that info. DB's making the claim in his podcast that it all jumped out to him and police haven't called after the inquest to get more information. MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

With FA's evidence we have phone pings, searches at different properties, eye witness statements and a lot of 2nd-5th hand accounts, surveillance, what else?

The important thing that I think your post may be missing is that the eye witness statements for FA do NOT support his alibi (whatever that may be). They place him as having the means, the motivation, the opportunity, and the after-actions.

imo

 

[JBowie]

The important thing that I think your post may be missing is that the eye witness statements for FA do NOT support his alibi (whatever that may be). They place him as having the means, the motivation, the opportunity, and the after-actions.

imo

Given all this about Abbott, I have to wonder why the "I Catch Killers" Jubelin spent so much time, effort and police resources harassing Bill Spedding and Paul Savage, instead of bearing down on Abbott.

I also have to wonder what might have been had Jubelin been retired off the case and a very fresh set of eyes -- from interstate or overseas -- taken over. Probably way too late for that now.

As I have said a number of times here, the whole police effort on this case, from the top down, needs a public airing. Without a strong push from public and media, I am not hopeful of that occurring.

 

[iiiii's]

The important thing that I think your post may be missing is that the eye witness statements for FA do NOT support his alibi (whatever that may be). They place him as having the means, the motivation, the opportunity, and the after-actions.

imo

We don't know if he had the means that day, highly likely the motivation and possibly most SO's within a 10km radius that day, don't know about the other 2.

The same might be able to be said for the FM too?

On the day, one has proven means, one doesn't, one has proven motivation one doesn't, one had proven opportunity, one doesn't, one has proven after action time, one doesn't, one was at the scene, one wasn't. I don't know what all the panic is about, FA was at the inquest to the end, he's still being looked at IMO.

 

[SouthAussie]

Given all this about Abbott, I have to wonder why the "I Catch Killers" Jubelin spent so much time, effort and police resources harassing Bill Spedding and Paul Savage, instead of bearing down on Abbott.

There was some overlap, I think. Jubes was removed from the case in March 2019. The police were onto Ray Porter about FA, because he complained to nurse Kirston Okpegbue in April 2019 that he "didn't do anything wrong, he just gave his best mate a lift, he didn't want these people visiting him any more".

And through till July the police were "trying to get a confession out of him". Then he died that year having given his dying declaration.

I don't think the investigation was as single focused, back then, as has been portrayed. Especially when you consider Tony Jones, Paul Bickford, and the other POIs they investigated during that period.

They had a bigger strike force, they could investigate more people at the same time.

William Tyrrell inquest: Nurse's statement about patient's confession

This is the bombshell statement a nurse made to the inquest into William Tyrrell's disappearance, telling how a dying man made a chilling confession with his head rested on her shoulder.

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[SouthAussie]

We don't know if he had the means that day, highly likely the motivation and possibly most SO's within a 10km radius that day, don't know about the other 2.

The same might be able to be said for the FM too?

On the day, one has proven means, one doesn't, one has proven motivation one doesn't, one had proven opportunity, one doesn't, one has proven after action time, one doesn't, one was at the scene, one wasn't. I don't know what all the panic is about, FA was at the inquest to the end, he's still being looked at IMO.

The way I see it is that you have a seasoned pedophile and thief (probably seasoned rapist and murderer too), with witnesses who said he had the means, motive, opportunity and after-actions to have taken William.

And you have a woman who had never committed a crime, and then when she did step on the wrong side later on (auction tampering and violence toward foster daughter), she was caught right away. Because she didn't even have the foresight to think that she might be recorded. I don't see her as being particularly clever or wily.

I wonder who would be better at covering up a crime for 10+ years.

imo

 

[JBowie]

I don't know what all the panic is about, FA was at the inquest to the end, he's still being looked at IMO.

Not sure I'd agree with the word panic here. The issue from my perspective is that time is now on Abbott's side, with people dying off, memories fading, and potential evidence gone, or now too hard to locate.

It's clear to me that Abbott frightened the people he mixed with, likely bragging/suggesting that he'd killed before and gotten away with it.

 

[Wexford]

It's International Missing Children's Day today.
Where is William?

 

[BreakingNews]

It's International Missing Children's Day today.
Where is William?

And Pheobe and all other missing children. Sweet William

 

[Chrissy74]

It's International Missing Children's Day today.
Where is William?

A heartbreaking day for families around the world whose children are missing.
The pain of not knowing where a child is must be unimaginable — a sorrow that no family should ever have to endure.
In Australia alone, far too many children remain missing. Some may never be found, but they must never be forgotten.
Today, as a nation and as a community, we pause to remember, honour, and acknowledge all missing children. Their absence leaves a lasting impact, and their stories deserve to be held in our hearts.
Every missing child deserves to be honoured with a plaque of remembrance — just as we commemorate our fallen soldiers. A dedicated place where they can be remembered, and where grieving families can find a moment of peace and connection.

 

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The way I see it is that you have a seasoned pedophile and thief (probably seasoned rapist and murderer too), with witnesses who said he had the means, motive, opportunity and after-actions to have taken William.

And you have a woman who had never committed a crime, and then when she did step on the wrong side later on (auction tampering and violence toward foster daughter), she was caught right away. Because she didn't even have the foresight to think that she might be recorded. I don't see her as being particularly clever or wily.

I wonder who would be better at covering up a crime for 10+ years.

imo

It depends on one’s perspective. Some might focus on who would be more capable of covering up a crime, while others might consider the actual likelihood of the events.


Imagine this: FF goes out to run errands. Two adults and an older child are left behind. They turn their backs for just a few minutes—and W vanishes from a quiet, safe, remote housing estate.
What are the chances of that happening? One in a zillion?

 

[drsleuth]

The final tragedy of William Tyrrell as the inquest reaches its end

The inquiry into one of Australia's greatest mysteries - what happened to missing toddler William Tyrrell - is nearing the finish line a decade after the three-year-old vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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By CANDACE SUTTON FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA

Published: 00:26 AEST, 26 May 2025 | Updated: 08:14 AEST, 26 May 2025

The final tragedy of William Tyrrell: I've been at the inquest from day 1. With the Coroner's findings about to be handed down, I have an awful feeling of what's about to be revealed: CANDACE SUTTON​

I don't re-call seeing Candice in the Taree sessions........

 

[drsleuth]

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/courts-law/william-tyrrells-foster-mum-has-big-legal-win/news-story/0f629b3e3825e1463f69a03d1ddb38a9

William Tyrrell’s foster mother has learned her fate after she fought to have her convictions for intimidation and assault overturned on appeal.

@stevezemek

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May 23, 2025 - 6:06PM

The court heard the incidents occurred in January and October 2021 but she was not charged until November that year because police were waiting for her to appear at a secretive NSW Crime Commission hearing.

Judge Miiko Kumar found while the intimidation and assault offences were proven, she said they should have been dealt with without proceeding to conviction,

The woman did not speak to media outside court on Friday as lengthy court proceedings against the woman and her husband came to an end.

 

[Wexford]

The final tragedy of William Tyrrell as the inquest reaches its end

The inquiry into one of Australia's greatest mysteries - what happened to missing toddler William Tyrrell - is nearing the finish line a decade after the three-year-old vanished.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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By CANDACE SUTTON FOR DAILY MAIL AUSTRALIA

Published: 00:26 AEST, 26 May 2025 | Updated: 08:14 AEST, 26 May 2025

The final tragedy of William Tyrrell: I've been at the inquest from day 1. With the Coroner's findings about to be handed down, I have an awful feeling of what's about to be revealed: CANDACE SUTTON​

I don't re-call seeing Candice in the Taree sessions........

What is her awful feeling, Doc? It's paywalled unfortunately.

 

[drsleuth]

What is her awful feeling, Doc? It's paywalled unfortunately.

Don't know I can't read it either .......