Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[sleepinoz]

During her walkthrough with detectives, the fgm described W as “bouncing out of his skull (an expression I’ve never heard before in my life), with happiness and joy for living,” adding that was the last time she saw him. A photo taken later that day when W went missing, shows a pair of FGM’s blue slippers positioned at the top of the two back steps leading to the backyard. In the final photos of W, FGM is seen wearing those same slippers, which raises questions. Why were they left there? It seems unlikely that she would have taken them off to go back inside, changed into outdoor shoes, and then returned outside. Could it be that she removed them at the top of the stairs after some time had passed—perhaps when deciding to “follow them down”? But that would mean she walked through the yard either bare foot or with socks on.
Personally I don’t like to wear my indoor slippers outside in the backyard and get them dirty, I much prefer to leave them inside when changing into more appropriate shoes.
Photographs create a permanent visual record of a scene, including the layout, objects, and their relationships, which can be invaluable in later analysis and reconstruction. I wonder how the placement of gramas slippers fit into the reconstruction of what happened that morning.

There are Certain words and expressions used in that context by the ff that I don’t think I will ever be able to erase from my memory.
Bouncing out of his skull (when describing a child at play)
Put him in the ground (referring to burying a parent)
Piece of rubbish on the road ( describing what an abductor is thinking when taking a child, that the child is a piece of trash).

IMO These are arguably among the most inappropriate and unnatural words to use given the context.

Can you link the Photo of the slippers where she left them please or an article that shows them.
I've never seen them off her feet in any article.

 

[Chrissy74]

Can you link the Photo of the slippers where she left them please or an article that shows them.
I've never seen them off her feet in any article.

 

[iiiii's]

Many people would consider having a child anbducted and murdered a stressful experience.

agree but that wasn't the point of my question. The judge seems to have come to the conclusion that the pressure the FFC was under at the time was unique and extraordinary. I'd like to know what she cited. If the pressure had been that great throughout the whole 6 years, should authorities have placed the child elsewhere. What started out as approx. 8 offences between the couple was boiled down to three of which at present there is no recorded conviction and a good behaviour bond in place. The magistrate who heard the charges gave a longer summary seeming to weigh all the circumstances presented and reported that she was close to making an example of the woman. This all occurred in a year with the house and cars under surveillance. I think it would be a stretch to think that it only began there. The little girl reported to her "safe person" during a break in the police interview that she was scared and that he has anger issues. Those anger issues seemed to be in play since before WT went missing. Can't remember if he was asked at the inquest, what he takes medication for, I know that it came up in police interviews. MOO

 

[sleepinoz]

Thanks for the pic, but they seem to be shoes not the slippers that FGM was wearing. Very hard to tell but I would say they are not the same IMO

I will edit to add that "if" they are the same shoes, they are in a position that she could have changed into street shoes prior to going down the steps and stepping onto the grass.

Maybe reading far too much into this pair of shoes.???

New photos of William Tyrrell released five years after disappearance

Five new photos of William Tyrrell are made public by the NSW Coroner as well as the transcript of a key witness who said he cursed a woman he saw driving with an unrestrained child in the backseat.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Chrissy74]

Thanks for the pic, but they seem to be shoes not the slippers that FGM was wearing. Very hard to tell but I would say they are not the same IMO

I will edit to add that "if" they are the same shoes, they are in a position that she could have changed into street shoes prior to going down the steps and stepping onto the grass.

Maybe reading far too much into this pair of shoes.???

New photos of William Tyrrell released five years after disappearance

Five new photos of William Tyrrell are made public by the NSW Coroner as well as the transcript of a key witness who said he cursed a woman he saw driving with an unrestrained child in the backseat.

www.abc.net.au

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They are clearly the same slippers. When the photo is enlarged and closely examined, the white pattern on the top of the shoes is visible, confirming the match. Their positioning suggests they were taken off in a hurry—almost as if they were kicked off before going down the stairs. If there was a change in shoes as you suggested then you would expect the slippers to be placed together and most likely next to the seat so she could sit and change shoes. I don’t Fgm would be bending down to put shoes on when there were seats right there. In the same photo, you can also see L’s stroller, the Spider-Man toy, the newspaper FGM had been reading on the seat where she was sitting, and William’s drawing still on the floor. The photo appears to have been taken not long after William disappeared, possibly shortly after police arrived, as everything on the patio remains exactly as it was beforehand.

 

[sleepinoz]

They are clearly the same slippers. When the photo is enlarged and closely examined, the white pattern on the top of the shoes is visible, confirming the match. Their positioning suggests they were taken off in a hurry—almost as if they were kicked off before stepping down the stairs. In the same photo, you can also see L’s stroller, the Spider-Man toy, the newspaper FGM had been reading on the seat where she was sitting, and William’s drawing still on the floor. The photo appears to have been taken not long after William disappeared, possibly shortly after police arrived, as everything on the patio remains exactly as it was beforehand.

We will have to agree to disagree - I clearly don't see what you see.

 

[SouthAussie]

agree but that wasn't the point of my question. The judge seems to have come to the conclusion that the pressure the FFC was under at the time was unique and extraordinary. I'd like to know what she cited.

I doubt you will ever know all that was cited. But it is important to note that the appeal was heard in a higher court (District Court) than the original hearing (Local Court). This is done because a higher court reviews the case for legal errors and other legal failures in the original hearing and decision.


An appeal is a formal process by which a higher court is asked to review a lower court’s decision based on errors in law or procedure. Appeals typically arise when a party believes that a judge has made a mistake in applying the law, misinterpreted legal principles, or failed to consider critical evidence appropriately.

Appeal vs Review: Key Differences in Australian Litigation

Working out what is supervised contact is an important part of allowing parents to build a relationship with their children in an environment that’s safe for all involved. Here’s everything you need to know

newsouthlawyers.com.au

 

[drsleuth]

Crime scene pictures, statements, verbal language, body language are all vital elements in an investigation because they each provide different layers of evidence and insight that help reconstruct events, assess credibility, and identify inconsistencies. This particular picture shows the scene just after W went missing and before it was altered by investigators the family police public or friends and family. This is a great piece of evidence that is incredibly relevant.
Fgm waited some time before following her daughter around the side of the house. She wasn’t in a hurry and would have known she had to change out of her slippers before heading off across the backyard. The placement of her slippers show an almost urgency to get them off. This photo just like the last photos of W paint a clear picture of the before and after

Is the crime taking of a pair of slippers on your own deck, making the deck a crime scene?

 

[Chrissy74]

Is the crime taking of a pair of slippers on your own deck, making the deck a crime scene?

The entire house was a crime scene. The back patio was one of the last known places W was playing according to the photos and ff statements.

Human Behavior Indicators that investigators look for:
Positioning of personal items: wallets, phones, slippers—are they where they should be?
Comfort vs. urgency: Are things left as if someone was relaxed or left in a rush?

Corroborating Statements
Do the photos match the verbal accounts given by witnesses or suspects?
Are items or conditions described in statements visible or missing in the images?

To answer your question, it’s not a crime to take one’s shoes off in their own home but if a crime has been committed at that home then all evidence should be examined thoroughly

 

[LolaAngelina]

Is the crime taking of a pair of slippers on your own deck, making the deck a crime scene?

Yes lm also failing to see the relevance. It hasn’t been mentioned in any articles, by police or at the inquest so lm going to assume it has no bearing on the case

 

[sleepinoz]

They are clearly the same slippers. When the photo is enlarged and closely examined, the white pattern on the top of the shoes is visible, confirming the match. Their positioning suggests they were taken off in a hurry—almost as if they were kicked off before going down the stairs. If there was a change in shoes as you suggested then you would expect the slippers to be placed together and most likely next to the seat so she could sit and change shoes. I don’t Fgm would be bending down to put shoes on when there were seats right there. In the same photo, you can also see L’s stroller, the Spider-Man toy, the newspaper FGM had been reading on the seat where she was sitting, and William’s drawing still on the floor. The photo appears to have been taken not long after William disappeared, possibly shortly after police arrived, as everything on the patio remains exactly as it was beforehand.

Again, I think you will find that the picture was taken days later. Do you have a date on the pic?

 

[sleepinoz]

Yes lm also failing to see the relevance. It hasn’t been mentioned in any articles, by police or at the inquest so lm going to assume it has no bearing on the case

"Oh look, I lied about my slippers" ................. Not worth the mention IMO

 

[Chrissy74]

"Oh look, I lied about my slippers" ................. Not worth the mention IMO

I wonder what was the relevance of the ramp in the 2021search. It seems to be placed where fgm slippers were left at the top of the stairs. I also notice the paved path from the patio to the backyard, from all the photos I’ve looked at it appears it wasn’t there the day W went missing

 

[sleepinoz]

I wonder what was the relevance of the ramp in the 2021search. It seems to be placed where fgm slippers were left at the top of the stairs. I also notice the paved path from the patio to the backyard, from all the photos I’ve looked at it appears it wasn’t there the day W went missing

The relevance of that ramp was that the new owner needed a ramp.

The house had been sold twice since William's disappearance, many changes/upgrades/renovations have probably been made.

I think maybe too much is being read into many things here.

 

[FromGermany1]

This should be a reply to post #1222 by Chrissy74:
It doesn't look like an elderly woman after she had surgery on her hip/leg/knee (Idk) had taken off her slippers this way (left and right shoe the wrong way around).
If FGM didn't know, where her daughter was and why she had disappeared out of view, FGM couldn't know, how far it would be, she had to go and look for her. She couldn't know, that she would have to go all the way to her neighbor. Do I change my shoes at all, when I don't know, how many steps I would have to go? I wouldn't. Would I be in a hurry, when I miss my daughter near the deck? No, I wouldn't be. Yes, I would be curious and I had wondered, but looking for my daughter (being FGM, looking for "the little devil" wouldn't have crossed my mind probably) wouldn't have been urgent.
How did FGM endure, when little W didn't change his shoes or when he played barefoot on the grass AND also barefoot on the deck? It must have been nearly unbearable for her, if she had strong rules, when to change footwear.
My thoughts at the moment and all MOO.

 

[FromGermany1]

Fgm words to detectives as they walk out onto the back patio
THIS IS WHERE IT ALL HAPPENED

!!!!

 

[FromGermany1]

I am struggling to see a link between FA alleged like for 17 year old girls to having a like for a 3 year old boy.

I can't help but want to say: FA even chose dogs for his pleasure. He can do anything (or could have done).

 

[Chrissy74]

"Oh look, I lied about my slippers" ................. Not worth the mention IMO

How many lies and inconsistencies from the ff, during an investigation, are “not worth the mention”? Some? All?
In an investigation, nothing should be ruled out or dismissed prematurely—every detail matters. Especially the details in the last known digital evidence of W on the day he disappeared. As well as all other evidence obtained during the course of the investigation. The placement of the fgm slippers does not align with her walkthrough statement. Why were her slippers at the top of stairs as if she was in a hurry to go after W and her daughter? Why was fgm last memory of W Bouncing out of his skull? Why was it deathly silent when Fgm went looking for fm? Why was the back patio where it all happened? Why didnt fgm help look for W when she realised he was missing? She didn’t look inside the house while waiting for fm just in case he snuck back inside without anyone seeing him nor did she look anywhere outside the house while walking towards her neighbour who she saw standing on the road. She didn’t panic when she saw her daughter come back and say she was going to call police, she instead went back to the house because she thought she wasn’t needed and was concerned in parts about her washing machine and floorboards. Is that normal behaviour from a grandmother who’s 3yo grandson has gone missing on her property?
It makes complete sense for investigators to be focusing on the fm and fgm.
While the evidence may not meet the threshold for legal prosecution, it overwhelmingly points toward their involvement.

 

[SouthAussie]

How many lies and inconsistencies from the ff, during an investigation, are “not worth the mention”? Some? All?
In an investigation, nothing should be ruled out or dismissed prematurely—every detail matters. Especially the details in the last known digital evidence of W on the day he disappeared. As well as all other evidence obtained during the course of the investigation. The placement of the fgm slippers does not align with her walkthrough statement. Why were her slippers at the top of stairs as if she was in a hurry to go after W and her daughter? Why was fgm last memory of W Bouncing out of his skull? Why was it deathly silent when Fgm went looking for fm? Why was the back patio where it all happened? Why didnt fgm help look for W when she realised he was missing? She didn’t look inside the house while waiting for fm just in case he snuck back inside without anyone seeing him nor did she look anywhere outside the house while walking towards her neighbour who she saw standing on the road. She didn’t panic when she saw her daughter come back and say she was going to call police, she instead went back to the house because she thought she wasn’t needed and was concerned in parts about her washing machine and floorboards. Is that normal behaviour from a grandmother who’s 3yo grandson has gone missing on her property?
It makes complete sense for investigators to be focusing on the fm and fgm.
While the evidence may not meet the threshold for legal prosecution, it overwhelmingly points toward their involvement.

Things as mentioned in your post is how real convictions are overturned, when actual evidence shows up.

Lindy Chamberlain. Matinee jacket much later found in dingo's lair. Conviction overturned.
Kathleen Folbigg. Babies much later found to have a fatal genetic condition. Conviction overturned.

IMO

 

[Chrissy74]

Things as mentioned in your post is how real convictions are overturned, when actual evidence shows up.

Lindy Chamberlain. Matinee jacket much later found in dingo's lair. Conviction overturned.
Kathleen Folbigg. Babies much later found to have a fatal genetic condition. Conviction overturned.

IMO

Honestly, I’m confused by the supposed link between the LC case and the WT case. The only real connection I see is that in both instances, the initial investigators dismissed credible evidence that was right in front of them.
In LC’s case, they ignored the strong possibility that a dingo took the baby—even though the evidence supported it. Dingoes were present at the campsite that day, campers had been feeding them scraps, and multiple people—not just LC—reported seeing a dingo near her tent around the time her baby disappeared.
In WT’s case, the same pattern emerged. The early investigation overlooked critical evidence. No one reported seeing any unfamiliar people or vehicles that morning—except for the fm. Residents were active in the street all morning, yet not a single person could confirm anything unusual. Despite clear inconsistencies, lies, and withheld information from the ff, NSW Police focused on the theory of a paedophile abduction. It seems they considered that explanation more plausible than the leads they already had.
That, to me, is the only meaningful connection between the two cases, South Aussie.