Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[iiiii's]

The media didn't get away with anything.

It was said in open court by the coroner, before the FFC's video of the NSWCC was played re NPO's Coroner : "do not apply to the playing of audio played in open court"

The NPO's was around names. I spoke directly to a person at the registry.

You could contact the Coroners Court to ask about the NPO's if you want?

BBM : I don't know

. I was present to when the coroner made the order around NPO of the NSWCC evidence. And my understanding was that whatever was shown of that evidence and the big dig could not be published. She had deliberated that it could even be heard in open court, from my notes. So naturally, I was surprised when seeing articles covering some of that evidence. Thanks for trying to answer my questions, I think the suggestion of giving a call is a good idea.... I might get the clarity, I'm seeking.

 

[marv hucker]

I agree and stated previously that the William Tyrrell podcast has gone off the rails and the creators of this series are clutching at straws.

It is a wild good chase focusing on a now 90 year old man and crimes he may have committed a very long time ago.

They prove absolutely zero nada nothing about FA being near where William was abducted at the time he was abducted. It is my belief that he was thoroughly investigated and cleared, perhaps when Jubelin was in charge of the investigation?

There appears to be an attempt to undermine the Police investigation and plant red herrings.

Sour grapes perhaps IMO with people who have their own agenda.

That’s the whole point, and tone, of the podcasts, no? That nothing can be proven in WT’s case and others because so much was missed, not investigated, or not investigated comprehensively enough: that police have failed, and continue to fail.

Whether it was FA, was the FM or the man in the moon; this case probably won’t move. And more cases will proceed like this until the NSW police do better.

 

[Detective Willy]

That’s the whole point, and tone, of the podcasts, no? That nothing can be proven in WT’s case and others because so much was missed, not investigated, or not investigated comprehensively enough: that police have failed, and continue to fail.

Whether it was FA, was the FM or the man in the moon; this case probably won’t move. And more cases will proceed like this until the NSW police do better.

Hi Marv - have you ever wondered why Police are pursuing FM and not FA?

 

[JBowie]

Whether it was FA, was the FM or the man in the moon; this case probably won’t move. And more cases will proceed like this until the NSW police do better.

Yes, as some of us have opined over time, unless someone confesses or is given up to the police (and there's $1 million reward on offer for that), then we may never know what happened.

 

[LolaAngelina]

Hi Marv - have you ever wondered why Police are pursuing FM and not FA?

They don’t seem to be pursuing anyone right now. FA hasn’t been cleared of any involvement so very likely still remains on the suspect list along with many many others. IMO

 

[marv hucker]

Hi Marv - have you ever wondered why Police are pursuing FM and not FA?

Honestly it’s beyond me.
There’s a timer ticking on FA.

 

[Chrissy74]

Does anyone have an update on the coroner’s findings. Final submissions were last week. What is the expected timeframe for findings to be made and released to the public

 

[Eloise]

All I've read is "later this year".

 

[Reneemaree88]

A new episode

 

[BreakingNews]

Yes, as some of us have opined over time, unless someone confesses or is given up to the police (and there's $1 million reward on offer for that), then we may never know what happened.

How very sad for William, his sister and his parents. Justice is needed for our William

 

[butterstick]

A new episode

First few minutes are just to say another person has come forward to say they knew a person who knew a relation who claimed FA was involved. No mention of when all this happened, and I assume they didn't try to tell police because that wasn't raised as a massive failing of the police as it normally does on these podcasts.

Also a convicted criminal who apparently met FA in jail and heard him ranting about what happened to WT. "This former prisoner tried to tell detectives that he spoke to David Laidlaw who was running the investigation only to be told that they still think William's foster mother is allegedly responsible".Well that's good of David Laidlaw to casually discuss the case like that with a convicted criminal. Could of happened, I guess, but equally likely that the Prisoner is lying and Laidlaw didn't discuss the details of the case with him.

Even if the police have failings, the other side is very true also - the generally public can be asses to deal with, especially the types who find themselves in and out of the prison system, and I'd expect Dan to give a little more nuance rather than compiling all these third and fourth-hand stories from folks who often clearly made minimal or questionable efforts to help, but now feel suddenly inspired to help build a case against the police.

After those two brief statements - a repost of an old interview Dan and Nina did about podcasting because they "pretty much [know more about podcasting] than anyone else in Australia". And how the investigation "takes it out of them". Which would be understandable, I'm sure many people have struggled.

Good to keep WT in the media, I guess? Dunno at this point.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[marv hucker]

First few minutes are just to say another person has come forward to say they knew a person who knew a relation who claimed FA was involved. No mention of when all this happened, and I assume they didn't try to tell police because that wasn't raised as a massive failing of the police as it normally does on these podcasts.

Also a convicted criminal who apparently met FA in jail and heard him ranting about what happened to WT. "This former prisoner tried to tell detectives that he spoke to David Laidlaw who was running the investigation only to be told that they still think William's foster mother is allegedly responsible".Well that's good of David Laidlaw to casually discuss the case like that with a convicted criminal. Could of happened, I guess, but equally likely that the Prisoner is lying and Laidlaw didn't discuss the details of the case with him.

Even if the police have failings, the other side is very true also - the generally public can be asses to deal with, especially the types who find themselves in and out of the prison system, and I'd expect Dan to give a little more nuance rather than compiling all these third and fourth-hand stories from folks who often clearly made minimal or questionable efforts to help, but now feel suddenly inspired to help build a case against the police.

After those two brief statements - a repost of an old interview Dan and Nina did about podcasting because they "pretty much [know more about podcasting] than anyone else in Australia". And how the investigation "takes it out of them". Which would be understandable, I'm sure many people have struggled.

Good to keep WT in the media, I guess? Dunno at this point.

I think there’s enough smoke now to say FA has at least claimed to have done things to WT. This would be the fourth or fifth such witness, I’d find it highly unusual (but not impossible) they’d all lie.

This could just be braggadocio - he seems to enjoy infamy, to a degree. Or it could be the truth.


One would hope and expect police who are still technically on an active investigation would be putting these statements to FA, trying to catch the inconsistencies, the overreach…

 

[BreakingNews]

I think there’s enough smoke now to say FA has at least claimed to have done things to WT. This would be the fourth or fifth such witness, I’d find it highly unusual (but not impossible) they’d all lie.

This could just be braggadocio - he seems to enjoy infamy, to a degree. Or it could be the truth.


One would hope and expect police who are still technically on an active investigation would be putting these statements to FA, trying to catch the inconsistencies, the overreach…

Thanks. So are you saying that these people have only recently spoken out about FA? Do police now have written statements? And police have not followed up? I would think that every piece of information should be followed up on.

 

[butterstick]

This could just be braggadocio - he seems to enjoy infamy, to a degree. Or it could be the truth.

Yes exactly. The police know him well.

I definitely want them to investigate things, but at the same time I don't expect them to do perfunctory work to appease my curiosity based on podcast hear-say from people who without exception didn't have the conviction to give proper statements, proper follow up, or were criminals themselves.

 

[JBowie]

This could just be braggadocio - he seems to enjoy infamy, to a degree. Or it could be the truth.

As I've mentioned before, FA strikes me as the sort of low life who would let people know -- directly or indirectly -- what may happen to them if they cross him.

Should FA die, it would not surprise me if a whole bunch of new information about him would suddenly be made known.

 

[Chrissy74]

As I've mentioned before, FA strikes me as the sort of low life who would let people know -- directly or indirectly -- what may happen to them if they cross him.

Should FA die, it would not surprise me if a whole bunch of new information about him would suddenly be made known.

What’s GJ’s take on all of this, considering he was willing to risk everything—including his reputation and long-standing position in the police force—for a person of interest he was certain at the time was involved in W’s disappearance? That person has since been cleared.
GJ dedicated the better part of the first four years of the investigation relentlessly pursuing PS. This included multiple interviews, covert audio and visual surveillance, and even planting a Spider-Man suit in hopes of eliciting a reaction. How do the family and police feel now about GJ’s years of fruitless pursuit—years that arguably could have been better spent investigating other individuals, such as FA?
If BS was on his radar, then surely GO would have been too—and by extension, the connection to FA should have emerged and been thoroughly investigated during GJ’s time as lead investigator. Why wasn’t more investigative effort directed at that connection given the information was available to him from the very beginning?
instead the focus of blame for their “apparent” lack of investigation into FA is on the new lead investigator and his team. IMO the fp are actively seeking a scapegoat, if not BS then PS if not PS then FA if not FA then who’s next I wonder???

 

[marv hucker]

Yes exactly. The police know him well.

I definitely want them to investigate things, but at the same time I don't expect them to do perfunctory work to appease my curiosity based on podcast hear-say from people who without exception didn't have the conviction to give proper statements, proper follow up, or were criminals themselves.

Generally the job of police to gather evidence and chase down leads. Not the job of the evidence to chase down police.

“Without exception” isn’t true, either. I believe two of the witnesses gave evidence at the WT inquest. Others gave statements in connection to other investigations.
Some were extremely informal, agreed, but that’s when police are meant to knock on their door and get a formal statement.


Of course none of this builds a solid case against FA, but it’s galling that they’ve left so many loose ends.
Only benefits the guilty party.

 

[marv hucker]

Thanks. So are you saying that these people have only recently spoken out about FA? Do police now have written statements? And police have not followed up? I would think that every piece of information should be followed up on.

A mixture, really. Some sworn evidence, some less formal.

Recall as well the coroner was altogether disinterested in hearing the NSW police’s brief, at the inquest. That is extremely unusual.

Listening to the podcast eps will give you more of the story.