Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[drsleuth]

I regard this statement with the same caution as his 2019 remark at the start of the inquest: ‘9:37 — this is a time of which we can be certain.’ We now know that wasn’t accurate — or at least, it wasn’t accurate at the time it was made.

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...e/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131

I believe Mr Craddock thought it was certain, still thinks it's certain , but when it was asked to be looked at my Swift, he agreed to have it looked at, doesn't mean he wasn't certain IMO

And we heard not a peep more about it. But the NSWCC were also certain too IMO ( which I've linked before from my notes )

 

[Chrissy74]

I believe Mr Craddock thought it was certain, still thinks it's certain , but when it was asked to be looked at my Swift, he agreed to have it looked at, doesn't mean he wasn't certain IMO

And we heard not a peep more about it. But the NSWCC were also certain too IMO ( which I've linked before from my notes )

There’s no rhyme or reason to your statement, Dr Sleuth. If the timestamp had truly been thoroughly investigated and confirmed as accurate when Mr Craddock made his claim, then why did the coroner—at Ms Smith’s request—urgently order a forensic examination of the photos? Surely, if that verification had already taken place, the evidence supporting it would have been included in the brief already available to Ms Smith. The fact is, no forensic examination into the timestamps—specifically regarding the original creation times versus the corrected times—was undertaken until the coroner ordered it months into the inquiry.

 

[drsleuth]

There’s no rhyme or reason to your statement, Dr Sleuth. If the timestamp had truly been thoroughly investigated and confirmed as accurate when Mr Craddock made his claim, then why did the coroner—at Ms Smith’s request—urgently order a forensic examination of the photos? Surely, if that verification had already taken place, the evidence supporting it would have been included in the brief already available to Ms Smith. The fact is, no forensic examination into the timestamps—specifically regarding the original creation times versus the corrected times—was undertaken until the coroner ordered it months into the inquiry.

Ms Smith's request?? Ms Smith has the brief?

Are you saying that Allana Smith requested it??

 

[Chrissy74]

Ms Smith's request?? Ms Smith has the brief?

Are you saying that Allana Smith requested it??

My mistake. I meant Swift not Smith

 

[SouthAussie]

A forensic report was in the police brief. Just because we don't know the semantics of the report, the details, doesn't mean there wasn't a forensic look at the photos and camera. Before the Coroner ordered a 2nd look.

And I believe Mr Craddock reiterated that the 9:37am time was correct in the last tranche of the inquest, didn't he?


September 2, 2019

The report by X-Ways forensic software reads: “Created 12/09/2014 07:39:54 Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44”.

it is unclear if the time was corrected to 9.37am to cater for, say, the camera itself being set on the wrong time.

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/mystery-over-william-tyrrell-photo-throws-doubt-on-timeline-of-boys-disappearance/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131

 

[Lemony]

bbm
Do you think, they had this strategy already right at the beginning? As far as I remember, that "throwing something out of a car" was mentioned very early in 2014. Or do I remember wrong?

I don’t think that had anything to do with the targeting of FM in 2021. In hindsight it is obvious that a strategic media campaign began in 2021, months before the search - for example David Laidlaw appeared on a television program about William in the July, NSW Police shared staged photos and videos on social media featuring the FGM home and the nearby riding school etc. IMO they were building pressure, hoping for a confession. I’m theorising that some details in the media around that time weren’t necessarily facts.

 

[Wexford]

Police have pretty wide discretion when it comes to deploying strategies — from what is said in media releases, right through to covert operations — to exert pressure on a person of interest. IMO, in the months prior to the big search, and during it, police were doing everything they could to exert psychological pressure on FM, hoping it would lead to something more."We're very happy with the items found...", even “something was seen being thrown from a car” or “dumped from a vehicle” are potentially just part of a police strategy.

Similarly, when they told the FM:

“We are saying we know what happened and why it happened and where [his body] is.”​

and then:
We aren’t guessing, we aren’t bluffing.
: Police told William’s foster mother ‘we know where, we know how, we know why’

 

[Wexford]

Ms Smith's request?? Ms Smith has the brief?

Are you saying that Allana Smith requested it??

This is possibly more accurate than it is meant to be.

 

[sleepinoz]

This is possibly more accurate than it is meant to be.

I tend to agree Wex IMO

 

[Chrissy74]

A forensic report was in the police brief. Just because we don't know the semantics of the report, the details, doesn't mean there wasn't a forensic look at the photos and camera. Before the Coroner ordered a 2nd look.

And I believe Mr Craddock reiterated that the 9:37am time was correct in the last tranche of the inquest, didn't he?


September 2, 2019

The report by X-Ways forensic software reads: “Created 12/09/2014 07:39:54 Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44”.

it is unclear if the time was corrected to 9.37am to cater for, say, the camera itself being set on the wrong time.

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/mystery-over-william-tyrrell-photo-throws-doubt-on-timeline-of-boys-disappearance/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131

Ms Grahame and Mr Craddock agreed on the need for the forensic examination of the photographs.
X way forensics extracted the information from a generic usb sd card reader but no forensic examination of the metadata was done until late 2019, around the time the coroner released documents including the photos to the public

 

[drsleuth]

Ms Grahame and Mr Craddock agreed on the need for the forensic examination of the photographs.
X way forensics extracted the information from a generic usb sd card reader but no forensic examination of the metadata was done until late 2019, around the time the coroner released documents including the photos to the public

It's really a moot point as there is / was nothing nefarious with the photos anyway IMO & having heard / seen the evidence played at the inquest from the NSWCC

Could you imagine the headlines & the screaming from the rafters if the Coroner refused the request..........I can.

 

[SouthAussie]

Ms Grahame and Mr Craddock agreed on the need for the forensic examination of the photographs.
X way forensics extracted the information from a generic usb sd card reader but no forensic examination of the metadata was done until late 2019, around the time the coroner released documents including the photos to the public

They examined the metadata in the 1st forensic examination. They wouldn't have known the corrected time if they didn't.

All of the photos had exactly the same time difference. 1 hour, 57 minutes, and 50 seconds.
The earlier time from the camera's clock, the corrected time from another metadata reading. They would have also looked at the metadata for changes to the metadata - there is no indication that they didn't do that.

I posted an XWays Forensics report on how they do their forensics checks, somewhere way back in the threads.

imo

 

[sleepinoz]

They examined the metadata in the 1st forensic examination. They wouldn't have known the corrected time if they didn't.

All of the photos had exactly the same time difference. 1 hour, 57 minutes, and 50 seconds.
The earlier time from the camera's clock, the corrected time from another metadata reading. They would have also looked at the metadata for changes to the metadata - there is no indication that they didn't do that.

I posted an XWays Forensics report on how they do their forensics checks, somewhere way back in the threads.

imo

Just to add to your reply - It wasn't just the photo's from that day, IIRC it was every photo on the camera from days previous as well. IMO

 

[Chrissy74]

They examined the metadata in the 1st forensic examination. They wouldn't have known the corrected time if they didn't.

All of the photos had exactly the same time difference. 1 hour, 57 minutes, and 50 seconds.
The earlier time from the camera's clock, the corrected time from another metadata reading. They would have also looked at the metadata for changes to the metadata - there is no indication that they didn't do that.

I posted an XWays Forensics report on how they do their forensics checks, somewhere way back in the threads.

imo

Establishing a timeline in Ws case is critical. More so because there are no other witnesses to account for W being at the fgm house other than the ff. The extraction data from xways does not contain the exif metadata, so information such as camera make/model which does exist within the image files themselves, is missing from the extraction. Red Flag

Also the data extracted by xways was via a generic usb sd card reader which suggests police did not have access to the physical camera itself, only a usb card reader. Without examining the original device/camera, there’s no way of knowing or comparing its internal clock/tz settings to the data extracted at a later date.

There’s no date/time original which is concerning to say the least and to think that all these details were not forensically examined prior to the inquest is disturbing .

If by chance you stilll the way forensics report SthAussie would you mind reposting. Thanks

Something tells me the photos created time is the true accurate time the photo was taken. Another thing that’s bothering me is the ff text “home in 5”. He said he used the Siri function on his iPhone to send it, hence why the sent text was not on his phone however on the receiving end, being the fm phone, the text would come up showing it was sent via Siri. fm deleted that message from her phone, deleting evidence of how the message was sent, what time the message was sent and whether or not there was a message that was sent.
So many RED FLAGS

 

[SouthAussie]

The extraction data from xways does not contain the exif metadata, so information such as camera make/model which does exist within the image files themselves, is missing from the extraction.

Also the data extracted by xways was via a generic usb sd card reader which suggests police did not have access to the physical camera itself, only a usb card reader. Without examining the original device/camera, there’s no way of knowing or comparing its internal clock/tz settings to the data extracted at a later date.

Please post the link for the above information about this case. I don't believe it is correct.

 

[Chrissy74]

Please post the link for the above information about this case. I don't believe it is correct.

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• The Coroner released 48 documents, including police interview transcripts with individuals of interest, phone call transcripts, police statements, and photos of a Spider-Man suit placed in the bush by police, according to The Sydney Morning Herald.
  • One of the 48 released documents includes a report by Xway Forensics, which is attached to the five photos. This report is how we know that four additional photos were taken that morning, each showing a two-hour corrected timestamp.
  • Given the ongoing concerns about transparency in Ws case, documents such as the one I’m referencing should be welcomed and open for discussion on this platform.
  • Websleuths is fundamentally about finding the truth
    
    
  • When the Coroner releases documents, it’s done in the public interest to promote transparency and public understanding.
  • If mods are ok with me linking I’ll glad post the link

 

[SouthAussie]

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• The Coroner released 48 documents, including police interview transcripts with individuals of interest, phone call transcripts, police statements, and photos of a Spider-Man suit placed in the bush by police, according to The Sydney Morning Herald.
  
  

I am asking for the link about your words, as repeated below. And there is nothing about that in your link. Thanks.


"The extraction data from xways does not contain the exif metadata, so information such as camera make/model which does exist within the image files themselves, is missing from the extraction.

Also the data extracted by xways was via a generic usb sd card reader which suggests police did not have access to the physical camera itself, only a usb card reader. Without examining the original device/camera, there’s no way of knowing or comparing its internal clock/tz settings to the data extracted at a later date."