Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard - Kendall (NSW) #79

[drsleuth]

I regard this statement with the same caution as his 2019 remark at the start of the inquest: ‘9:37 — this is a time of which we can be certain.’ We now know that wasn’t accurate — or at least, it wasn’t accurate at the time it was made.

https://www.news.com.au/national/co...e/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131

I believe Mr Craddock thought it was certain, still thinks it's certain , but when it was asked to be looked at my Swift, he agreed to have it looked at, doesn't mean he wasn't certain IMO

And we heard not a peep more about it. But the NSWCC were also certain too IMO ( which I've linked before from my notes )

 

[Chrissy74]

I believe Mr Craddock thought it was certain, still thinks it's certain , but when it was asked to be looked at my Swift, he agreed to have it looked at, doesn't mean he wasn't certain IMO

And we heard not a peep more about it. But the NSWCC were also certain too IMO ( which I've linked before from my notes )

There’s no rhyme or reason to your statement, Dr Sleuth. If the timestamp had truly been thoroughly investigated and confirmed as accurate when Mr Craddock made his claim, then why did the coroner—at Ms Smith’s request—urgently order a forensic examination of the photos? Surely, if that verification had already taken place, the evidence supporting it would have been included in the brief already available to Ms Smith. The fact is, no forensic examination into the timestamps—specifically regarding the original creation times versus the corrected times—was undertaken until the coroner ordered it months into the inquiry.

 

[drsleuth]

There’s no rhyme or reason to your statement, Dr Sleuth. If the timestamp had truly been thoroughly investigated and confirmed as accurate when Mr Craddock made his claim, then why did the coroner—at Ms Smith’s request—urgently order a forensic examination of the photos? Surely, if that verification had already taken place, the evidence supporting it would have been included in the brief already available to Ms Smith. The fact is, no forensic examination into the timestamps—specifically regarding the original creation times versus the corrected times—was undertaken until the coroner ordered it months into the inquiry.

Ms Smith's request?? Ms Smith has the brief?

Are you saying that Allana Smith requested it??

 

[Chrissy74]

Ms Smith's request?? Ms Smith has the brief?

Are you saying that Allana Smith requested it??

My mistake. I meant Swift not Smith

 

[SouthAussie]

A forensic report was in the police brief. Just because we don't know the semantics of the report, the details, doesn't mean there wasn't a forensic look at the photos and camera. Before the Coroner ordered a 2nd look.

And I believe Mr Craddock reiterated that the 9:37am time was correct in the last tranche of the inquest, didn't he?


September 2, 2019

The report by X-Ways forensic software reads: “Created 12/09/2014 07:39:54 Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44”.

it is unclear if the time was corrected to 9.37am to cater for, say, the camera itself being set on the wrong time.

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/mystery-over-william-tyrrell-photo-throws-doubt-on-timeline-of-boys-disappearance/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131

 

[Lemony]

bbm
Do you think, they had this strategy already right at the beginning? As far as I remember, that "throwing something out of a car" was mentioned very early in 2014. Or do I remember wrong?

I don’t think that had anything to do with the targeting of FM in 2021. In hindsight it is obvious that a strategic media campaign began in 2021, months before the search - for example David Laidlaw appeared on a television program about William in the July, NSW Police shared staged photos and videos on social media featuring the FGM home and the nearby riding school etc. IMO they were building pressure, hoping for a confession. I’m theorising that some details in the media around that time weren’t necessarily facts.

 

[Wexford]

Police have pretty wide discretion when it comes to deploying strategies — from what is said in media releases, right through to covert operations — to exert pressure on a person of interest. IMO, in the months prior to the big search, and during it, police were doing everything they could to exert psychological pressure on FM, hoping it would lead to something more."We're very happy with the items found...", even “something was seen being thrown from a car” or “dumped from a vehicle” are potentially just part of a police strategy.

Similarly, when they told the FM:

“We are saying we know what happened and why it happened and where [his body] is.”​

and then:
We aren’t guessing, we aren’t bluffing.
: Police told William’s foster mother ‘we know where, we know how, we know why’

 

[Wexford]

Ms Smith's request?? Ms Smith has the brief?

Are you saying that Allana Smith requested it??

This is possibly more accurate than it is meant to be.

 

[sleepinoz]

This is possibly more accurate than it is meant to be.

I tend to agree Wex IMO

 

[Chrissy74]

A forensic report was in the police brief. Just because we don't know the semantics of the report, the details, doesn't mean there wasn't a forensic look at the photos and camera. Before the Coroner ordered a 2nd look.

And I believe Mr Craddock reiterated that the 9:37am time was correct in the last tranche of the inquest, didn't he?


September 2, 2019

The report by X-Ways forensic software reads: “Created 12/09/2014 07:39:54 Corrected time: 12/09/2014 09:37:44”.

it is unclear if the time was corrected to 9.37am to cater for, say, the camera itself being set on the wrong time.

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts-law/mystery-over-william-tyrrell-photo-throws-doubt-on-timeline-of-boys-disappearance/news-story/219eb525eb0e76070785485909574131

Ms Grahame and Mr Craddock agreed on the need for the forensic examination of the photographs.
X way forensics extracted the information from a generic usb sd card reader but no forensic examination of the metadata was done until late 2019, around the time the coroner released documents including the photos to the public

 

[drsleuth]

Ms Grahame and Mr Craddock agreed on the need for the forensic examination of the photographs.
X way forensics extracted the information from a generic usb sd card reader but no forensic examination of the metadata was done until late 2019, around the time the coroner released documents including the photos to the public

It's really a moot point as there is / was nothing nefarious with the photos anyway IMO & having heard / seen the evidence played at the inquest from the NSWCC

Could you imagine the headlines & the screaming from the rafters if the Coroner refused the request..........I can.

 

[SouthAussie]

Ms Grahame and Mr Craddock agreed on the need for the forensic examination of the photographs.
X way forensics extracted the information from a generic usb sd card reader but no forensic examination of the metadata was done until late 2019, around the time the coroner released documents including the photos to the public

They examined the metadata in the 1st forensic examination. They wouldn't have known the corrected time if they didn't.

All of the photos had exactly the same time difference. 1 hour, 57 minutes, and 50 seconds.
The earlier time from the camera's clock, the corrected time from another metadata reading. They would have also looked at the metadata for changes to the metadata - there is no indication that they didn't do that.

I posted an XWays Forensics report on how they do their forensics checks, somewhere way back in the threads.

imo

 

[sleepinoz]

They examined the metadata in the 1st forensic examination. They wouldn't have known the corrected time if they didn't.

All of the photos had exactly the same time difference. 1 hour, 57 minutes, and 50 seconds.
The earlier time from the camera's clock, the corrected time from another metadata reading. They would have also looked at the metadata for changes to the metadata - there is no indication that they didn't do that.

I posted an XWays Forensics report on how they do their forensics checks, somewhere way back in the threads.

imo

Just to add to your reply - It wasn't just the photo's from that day, IIRC it was every photo on the camera from days previous as well. IMO

 

[marv hucker]

I think the statement that is being spoken of is David Laidlaw's "statement of facts". Which was actually a statement of opinions. Which Mr Craddock said was not what they wanted, the Coroner is only interested in the facts of the case. She will make her own opinions (as her job entails).

The Coroner redacted all of the DCI's opinions, so now the whole "statement of facts" is basically a blank document - there were so few facts in it.

imo

I don’t think the redaction of the _publicly released_ statement means anything, one way or the other.

It is still a case sub judice, much will not be suitable for publication.

The comments though…

 

[marv hucker]

NSW Detective Chief Superintendent Darren Bennett announced late November 2021-
“We’re very happy with the items found in terms of the relevance of the investigation. In terms of both eliminating people or proving what happened to WT.”

We’re very happy with the items found in terms of the relevance of the investigation
This to me is a clear message that items relating to Ws disappearance were in fact discovered during the 2021 search, indicating that investigators had recovered several items deemed significant to the case.

In terms of both eliminating people
These findings were considered valuable for both excluding certain individuals from suspicion, referring to FA perhaps (he was never called to give evidence) potentially uncovering the circumstances surrounding Ws disappearance.

While police may lack sufficient evidence to formally establish the FP involvement, the material uncovered may still offer valuable insight into the events of that morning — insight the coroner is likely to weigh carefully as part of her findings.

With the FM remaining the primary — and indeed the sole — person of interest, none of the evidence uncovered throughout the investigation has, at this stage, been sufficient to rule her out. If she can’t be ruled out as a POI , then she remains subject to ongoing investigation

Are you genuinely holding on to the hope that the Police found significant evidence 3.5 years ago, and are just sitting on it for… reasons?

(But also defending the police’s actions at every turn)

 

[Chrissy74]

Are you genuinely holding on to the hope that the Police found significant evidence 3.5 years ago, and are just sitting on it for… reasons?

(But also defending the police’s actions at every turn)

'I hope this speech makes you solve the case,' she said.'If it doesn't, when I'm officially an adult I'll be in the police force, a detective specifically, and I will find my brother and won't give up until he's found.'
Ls speech is hope worth holding onto. If anyone can solve this case, I believe she can.

 

[sleepinoz]

'I hope this speech makes you solve the case,' she said.'If it doesn't, when I'm officially an adult I'll be in the police force, a detective specifically, and I will find my brother and won't give up until he's found.'
Ls speech is hope worth holding onto. If anyone can solve this case, I believe she can.

It was a very grown-up statement that L made to the court, and good on her.

However, I believe that if she had any inclination or knowledge that the FP's were involved, she would have made a statement to the Police, now that she is older.

Hasn't happened to my knowledge.

 

[Megnut]

Just following a train of thought from my last post, WT could have been covered in a sheet, tarp etc., taken to the big dig search site and placed under other "rubbish on the side of the road", and then picked up not long after by someone in a different vehicle who looks like they have just pulled over to dump some rubbish in the same area... There would be no evidence by the time the dump was removed, let alone by the time the big dig occurred. MOO

I don't know how or when but I suspect that he was moved too.

Jmo

 

[Chrissy74]

Within days of Ws disappearance Police and NSW State Emergency Service crews conducted a more “evidence-based search' in the Middle Brother State Forest area, about five kilometers from where W was last seen.

“Superintendent Paul Fehon said the State Emergency Service's volunteers will walk the forest's trails as they search for part of a vehicle that may have become detached.”

http://www.thecourier.com.au/story/...-missing-william-tyrell-

On March 1st, 2015, up to 30 officers spent two days scouring several square kilometres of muddy bushland near Houston Mitchell Drive and Long Point Road in the Queens Lake State Conservation Area. The search involved the Public Order and Riot Squad, the Operational Support Group, and the dog unit. Homicide Superintendent Mick Willing stated the operation was based on fresh information received regarding W’s disappearance and emphasised that the search was NOT connected to BS, who was a person of interest at the time.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-to...r-missing-william-

Search 1) Middle Brother State Forest- did someone see something being thrown from a vehicle? Did someone notice part of a vehicle missing.

Search 2) police searching area near Queens Lake- did police have access to phone records, cell towers, placing someone in and around that location when W disappeared or the days following Ws disappearance.

IMO NSWPF knew very early on what happened to W, and how it happened, but were unsuccessful at finding sufficient evidence.

ALSO

Caroline Overington: "I cannot impress upon you all enough how much you don't know.

"At any point in time, in Australia, there are more than a thousand suppression orders - on stories that you have a right to know.
"Now I am prohibited by law from telling what those suppression orders cover. But just use your instincts for a minute. And when I tell you that there is so much you don't know about the case of WT, the little boy who's missing in New South Wales.

Ws case is “shrouded in secrecy” which has had a profound effect on the investigation and the integrity of the investigation. There’s so much evidence that can’t be discussed on this forum like wether W fell from the balcony or was accidentally hit by a car, what time the ff left and arrived back home, real time of the last photos, fp phone records, Mr Chapman’s sighting of W in the back of a 4WD, green car seen by L but I’ve seen and read the statements and IMO the fp are without a doubt involved in Ws disappearance

 

[iiiii's]

Just to add to your reply - It wasn't just the photo's from that day, IIRC it was every photo on the camera from days previous as well. IMO

I understand that it's your opinion but have you got a link to that? I have no recollection of anything official being published about the photos since the coroner ordered their examination let alone previous photos in the camera from days before the disappearance...