Australia Australia - William Tyrrell Disappeared While Playing in Yard, Kendall (NSW), Sept 2014 #76

[suspicious]

BBM The bio parents would still be protected if a certain person didn’t decide to out them. That’s the only reason the media could publish their names and their criminal history.

Why would the foster or bio parents want to be protected? Their child is missing. Is there anything more important than finding their missing child?

If my child was missing I’d be on Facebook, every radio station every news I could asking for help.

I didn’t get the impression the bios wanted the privacy. I believe they just wanted to find their son.

IMO

 

[InFocus]

https://www.news.com.au/national/william-tyrrell-fake-news-and-a-real-tragedy/audio/f1bfadaa67a2fe6b9565c882953d93b0

William Tyrrell: fake news and a real tragedy​

We catch up with the latest on the disappearance of William Tyrrell, some of the more hysterical reporting and the virtual lynch mob that surround it.

Good summary

I listened, I'll never get that 40 minutes of my life back.

Well, what a coincidence, the producer of this podcast also produces Mr. Jubelin's "I Catch Killers". It took her 13 mins 15 seconds to make that disclosure.

It's kind of ironic, "poetic strategy", don't you think that it gets released exactly 1 month since the DPP story broke; 27th June vs 27th July? It randomly mentions Lia Harris at 27:45, then Charlie Bezzina (a former colleague-friend of Mr Jubelin). The title of the podcast uses the words "fake news" which is the same two words used by the Where's William Official " FAKE NEWS CAUSES MORE HEARTBREAK FOR WILLIAM’S LOVED ONES" in September 2021.

Absolutely nothing to see here, excuse my sarcasm!

 

[SouthAussie]

Well, what a coincidence, the producer of this podcast also produces Mr. Jubelin's "I Catch Killers". It took her 13 mins 15 seconds to make that disclosure.

It's kind of ironic, "poetic strategy", don't you think that it gets released exactly 1 month since the DPP story broke; 27th June vs 27th July? It randomly mentions Lia Harris at 27:45, then Charlie Bezzina (a former colleague-friend of Mr Jubelin). The title of the podcast uses the words "fake news" which is the same two words used by the Where's William Official " FAKE NEWS CAUSES MORE HEARTBREAK FOR WILLIAM’S LOVED ONES" in September 2021.

Absolutely nothing to see here, excuse my sarcasm!

I actually thought it was refreshing to hear someone state very clearly how many others are feeling.
That there is a lynch mob out there, trolling and stalking and interfering.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Why would the foster or bio parents want to be protected? Their child is missing. Is there anything more important than finding their missing child?

We have posted here, at least several times, the magistrate's remarks that there is a risk to their safety.
Thanks to the trolls.

‘Real risk of harm’ to William Tyrrell foster-parents: court

 

[LolaAngelina]

Why would the foster or bio parents want to be protected? Their child is missing. Is there anything more important than finding their missing child?

If my child was missing I’d be on Facebook, every radio station every news I could asking for help.

I didn’t get the impression the bios wanted the privacy. I believe they just wanted to find their son.

IMO

It has nothing to do with finding William. It was about protecting the children they both had. I don’t think it improved the bios life by having their criminal history publicly known.

 

[JLZ]

Was there ever a report of what the wife of neighbour RD (who was mistaken about his tennis club times) remembers?

(Edited to remove his full name)

Because, arguably, here's someone lying to give himself an alibi. He said he didn't leave the tennis club until after William disappeared, because he heard the call come in to Wendy, and that he got home at 10:15, and had had a cuppa with his wife, when half an hour later at about 10:45 MFC came into his yard searching for William. Not only is the departure side false--he didn't overhear a call to Wendy and the tennis club footage shows him leaving at about 9:43--but according to MFC's walkthrough MFC didn't go across Ellendale to RiD's yard before the police arrived at 11:06, if at all that morning. So unless RiD's wife can come up with something definite about his presence, he's got a glaring gap of an hour-plus exactly when William disappeared.

(And while he was almost certainly unfit in March 2010, I've seen nothing to say he was on crutches or otherwise incapacitated in September 2014.)

Why CCTV at local club could prove crucial in William Tyrrell case

CCTV shows the car of a Kendall neighbour leaving a tennis club after hearing police get a call more than hour before William Tyrrell's Triple-0 call.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[InFocus]

I actually thought it was refreshing to hear someone state very clearly how many others are feeling.
That there is a lynch mob out there, trolling and stalking and interfering.

imo

100%, the foster carers are afforded the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise by a court of law.

However, many others, after years of being sold the abduction/cars in the street story are simply not buying it anymore.
There is no evidence to support what she said. I get that the opposite can be said; there's no evidence to support falling from the balcony. I've said many times here that I don't subscribe to the balcony theory.

Honestly, I don't think Mr. Laidlaw can definitively prove what actually happened. I feel his focus is on the statements that have been given which point to discrepancies etc... ie different times, adding to the story after the fact. I think he can disprove the abduction theory.

The podcast mentions Lindy Chamberlain etc... but the same could be said about those like Borce Ristevski who got before a camera to give interviews denying involvement and they ultimately were convicted of their crimes. It wasn't a balanced podcast in my opinion.

Mistakes over the handling of William's case have no doubt been made.

It would go a long way if those mistakes were actually "owned", they never have been by individuals; that includes police, FACs, etc. I agree with Mr. Jubelin that an inquiry should be held into the handling of this case, so this sort of thing never happens again.

 

[Awakening]

Why would the foster or bio parents want to be protected? Their child is missing. Is there anything more important than finding their missing child?

If my child was missing I’d be on Facebook, every radio station every news I could asking for help.

I didn’t get the impression the bios wanted the privacy. I believe they just wanted to find their son.

IMO

I would be the same, I wouldn’t care less about my safety or trolls if my kid was missing.

BUT - that’s me, and everyone is different.

If I had another child in my care, I would certainly be concerned about their safety and well being and that would factor into my decision.

I get what you are saying, and to some degree I agree, however for me this behaviour falls into what I call “range of normal behaviour” and there’s a wide range of normal human behaviour especially in abnormal and traumatic situations.

In fact, I would argue that it’s more common to see perpetrators of crimes to front the camera, they tend to love the attention and the belief they are fooling the public.

People find other things in this case suspicious that I don’t. Off the top of my head; stopping to put on pull ups after maccas, FF crying in the toilet, FM’s perceived lack of panic on the 000 call, her apparent lack of emotion, FGM apologising for “the mess”, FGM cancelling GO. All of that makes sense to me because it fits into the behaviour and personalities of various people I know.

 

[bearbear]

Mr Donoghue was interviewed three times by police, but never called on to give evidence before NSW State Coroner Harriet Grahame.

William Tyrrell: Police find new item of interest in muddy creek bed

Investigators searching bushland near the Kendall home the three-year-old vanished from in September 2014, began digging through a new section of pumped-out creek on Monday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Couldbe]

JMO - The FM would have been aware, at the beginning of her Statement to Police, that what she says is truthful according to her knowledge and belief (Or words to that effect).

This could be another example of her modifying her account of critical 'facts' as she saw fit .... to point to an abduction.

William Tyrrell's foster mother saw a man waiting in a car
“The foster mother was questioned at the inquest over a previous 2015 statement where she told police a different account of seeing the car driving down the street.

Then, she said: 'I cannot remember whether the windows were down. I could not see any of the occupants'.

Asked to explain the difference in the statements, the foster mum said she had just read the police statement, 'and I just thought, I don't know why I said that.'”

 

[SouthAussie]

However, many others, after years of being sold the abduction/cars in the street story are simply not buying it anymore.

I don't know why people say that others have been "sold" on the abduction theory. Nobody has been sold. After following so many crimes, many WSers (and others) can make up their minds for themselves ... no selling involved.

Looking back at the very start of the case, before we knew or heard anything about anything, before BS, before anyone had worked out that William was a foster child, before FM's words were heard, before we knew that there are umpteen sex offenders living in the area, before anything but searching, when the police were quietly looking at all scenarios .... abduction was a strong (independent) theory already.

I recall thinking at the time that if William is not lost, then it "has to be" a neighbour who is involved in his disappearance.


And with regard to 'not buying it anymore' .... the trolls never 'bought it'. They had their eyes pegged on the FP from the start. (Similar to CS case, and others.) That surely does not give them the right to troll and stalk. Just because they think they are right doesn't mean that they are.
And even if they were somehow right, that surely STILL does not give them the right to troll and stalk.

imo

 

[Couldbe]

JMO - Everyone can share their assessments of the case .... and we may find ourselves leaning towards the viewpoint of a very experienced Criminal Psychologist :-

The key questions being asked about William Tyrell's foster mum Underlined and BBM
“Mr Munro-Watson said even if charges were laid and the case went to trial, this didn't mean a body would be recovered or the court would come to a verdict.

He said it could be assumed police were 'more confident' about their evidence but that if charges were not laid it would be 'back to square one'.

'I think it's more likely it will proceed to trial,' Mr Munro-Watson said.”

 

[SouthAussie]

JMO - Everyone can share their assessments of the case .... and we may find ourselves leaning towards the viewpoint of a very experienced Criminal Psychologist :-

The key questions being asked about William Tyrell's foster mum Underlined and BBM
“Mr Munro-Watson said even if charges were laid and the case went to trial, this didn't mean a body would be recovered or the court would come to a verdict.

He said it could be assumed police were 'more confident' about their evidence but that if charges were not laid it would be 'back to square one'.

'I think it's more likely it will proceed to trial,' Mr Munro-Watson said.”

Just for some background .... Mr Munro-Watson is actually a disgraced psychologist, who was not allowed to practise psychology. He was deregistered over 20 years ago.


The board found that Mr Watson-Munro, who once admitted having a $2000-a-week cocaine habit, had a simplistic, self-centred and unsophisticated insight into issues of character.

The seven-member board said it did not believe it could have confidence in Mr Watson-Munro's integrity or good character after he had previously deceived it at other hearings.

The board said Mr Watson-Munro had lived a "dual life for a series of years that not only was deceitful to his profession, his colleagues, his clients and his family, but involved sustained and serious ethical impropriety".

Disgraced psychologist loses new bid to practise​

 

[Couldbe]

Just for some background .... Mr Munro-Watson is actually a disgraced psychologist, who is not allowed to practise psychology again. He was deregistered over 20 years ago, meaning that he has been stepped away from criminal psychology for quite some time.


The board found that Mr Watson-Munro, who once admitted having a $2000-a-week cocaine habit, had a simplistic, self-centred and unsophisticated insight into issues of character.

The seven-member board said it did not believe it could have confidence in Mr Watson-Munro's integrity or good character after he had previously deceived it at other hearings.

The board said Mr Watson-Munro had lived a "dual life for a series of years that not only was deceitful to his profession, his colleagues, his clients and his family, but involved sustained and serious ethical impropriety".

Disgraced psychologist loses new bid to practise​

SA, I did some research on Mr Watson-Munro, and discovered the following:-

Tim Watson-Munro - Wikipedia Underlined and BBM
“In 2003, Watson-Munro regained registration as a psychologist on the basis he undertook supervision for a period of two years.”

 

[SouthAussie]

SA, I did some research on Mr Watson-Munro, and discovered the following:-

Tim Watson-Munro - Wikipedia Underlined and BBM
“In 2003, Watson-Munro regained registration as a psychologist on the basis he undertook supervision for a period of two years.”

Yes, you are right. Thanks. He says that it is mostly in Melbourne that he still gets treated as a disgraced psychologist by the bench and others in authority.

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[Warshawski]

I don't think that is what they were saying. That people are 'looking them up'.
They are saying that there is a virtual lynch mob out there that is stalking.

imo

I didn’t hear them say that. .and I hope they didn’t. IMO there’s no ‘Lynch Mob’ out for anyone (at this stage)

Certainly there‘s an overwhelming concern by a whole lot of people who want answers as to what happened to this little boy. That concern / interest is exacerbated by the fact that his disappearance doesn’t have a ‘fit’.

When Daniel Morcombe sadly went missing, it was known that he was on the main road, preparing to catch the Bus to go shopping.

Cleo Smith & family were all sleeping, securely zippered in their tent, only for Mum to wake up to missing Cleo & an open Zip.

When William went missing it’s been presented as if he simply disappeared into thin air - which isn‘t helpful.

IMO it understandable that there’s been a groundswell of interest ( questioning & sleuthing ) since the Police released the fact that they had One Person of Interest - and that it was the former female foster carer.

Everyone I know is just wanting the Truth
( if human intervention perhaps then there may be movement from a Lynch mob)

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

I didn’t hear them say that. .and I hope they didn’t.

"We catch up with the latest on the disappearance of William Tyrrell, some of the more hysterical reporting and the virtual lynch mob that surround it."
William Tyrrell: fake news and a real tragedy

 

[Warshawski]

"We catch up with the latest on the disappearance of William Tyrrell, some of the more hysterical reporting and the virtual lynch mob that surround it."
William Tyrrell: fake news and a real tragedy

well thats sad too imo. In one breath they make this type of potentially inflammatory comment, while at the other end of their diatribe is ‘the media’. …. where do they fit I wonder ?
( not with too much wondering though TBH as I’ve no interest in their comments. My interest is focused on the outcome of Police investigations )

 

[SouthAussie]

well thats sad too imo. In one breath they make this type of potentially inflammatory comment, while at the other end of their diatribe is ‘the media’. …. where do they fit I wonder ?
( not with too much wondering though TBH as I’ve no interest in their comments. My interest is focused on the outcome of Police investigations )

It is not an inflammatory comment. It is fact. There has been publicly (MSM) visible parts of the lynch mob, prior to any of the "new" developments. They are still out there. imo


William Tyrrell vigilante is jailed for his 'crusade' against the missing boy's foster parents - as a magistrate blasts him for acting like the 'avenging angel of justice' (2019)

Mother-of-three accused of 'using payphones to call William Tyrrell's foster dad 14 times in eight hours' flees town after falsely claiming the man was involved in 'kidnapping the missing toddler' (2020)

 

[Detective Willy]

I believe that a lot is happening in the background in this case and we may not hear anything until 12th September.

This will be the 9 year anniversary of William's disappearance and if this date comes and goes without any announcements, then I will be very surprised.

IMO Police have a fair amount of circumstantial evidence that FM has not been honest in what happened on the morning of 12/9/2014. I then ask myself "why would you not tell the truth to Police?"

Is there enough evidence to lay charges (and then the likelihood of a successful prosecution?)

This is where we are at.

The names "Lindy Chamberlain" and "Katherine Folbigg" have been raised by some.

On the other side of the coin (and to name just a few), Borce Ristevski, Gerard Baden Clay, Sef Gonzales, Michael Atkins and Brett Cowan all claimed they were innocent.

Ivan Milat spent 25 years claiming innocence and then went to his grave still saying he was innocent.

Guilty people "deny, deny, deny" every minute of every day. This is human nature.

IMO "Blackstones" Ratio still applies. "It is more important to protect innocence than to punish guilt".

If there is doubt, often a guilty person walks. This does not mean they are not guilty.