“It’s all politics … I’ve been caught right in the middle. And now they’re saying that (redacted name) covered up for me”.
Redacted name: FGM? FF?
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“It’s all politics … I’ve been caught right in the middle. And now they’re saying that (redacted name) covered up for me”.
Redacted name: FGM? FF?
Alot to unpack in that article....
bbm, GJ?
certainly, but as discussed earlier its very very easier to verify if it really happened at a child care centre. Child care centre incident/injury/trauma/illness records are kept until the child turns 25.
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How do you trip someone up on something if there's nothing there to be tripped up on? That's not something I believe an innocent person would say, IMO!
the foster mum can be heard saying: “they’re investigating me” in one recorded call with an unknown person dated October 20, 2021.
“I found out and I lost it,” she said.
“They’re trying to trip me up on stuff and they’re trying to get me to do things. I’ve got a lawyer involved”.
BBM
the foster mum can be heard saying: “they’re investigating me” in one recorded call with an unknown person dated October 20, 2021.
“I found out and I lost it,” she said.
“They’re trying to trip me up on stuff and they’re trying to get me to do things. I’ve got a lawyer involved”.
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I agree - just the way it was worded, gives me chills.
SA, I think it was important for LE to demonstrate that there was a "pattern of violence and abuse" in that household. A single event could possibly have been explained away by the FFFC as just that, a single event where she lost control. But now it is overwhelmingly clear (to me, at least) that it was ongoing and probably has always been. It is very important in the case they are trying to make. I'm sure the LE officers must've been distraught listening to this ongoing abuse, but also knowing they need enough evidence to act, to be able to remove the children from this toxic environment. Tough job! I'm glad I'm not in their shoes.
Its pretty clear to the naked eye FM desperately wanted a family.
Getting into her 40s with no babies coming the mental torture and expectation of her beautiful little family finally coming to her via unsavoury imperfect means but so be it.....
yet being childless well into midlife a pattern of control over all areas of your life becomes thrown out the window as any parent here knows.
Being a parent is selfless and compromising.
The disappointment of these craved children's lack of gratitude that she was their mother.....I speculate today a VERY BIG DEAL.
MOO
Getting into her 40s with no babies coming the mental torture and expectation of her beautiful little family finally coming to her via unsavoury imperfect means but so be it.....
yet being childless well into midlife a pattern of control over all areas of your life becomes thrown out the window as any parent here knows.
Being a parent is selfless and compromising.
The disappointment of these craved children's lack of gratitude that she was their mother.....I speculate today a VERY BIG DEAL.
MOO
I don't know where the 'happened at child care centre' notion/suggestion comes from. Are you able to supply a link? (I think that's been asked for already?)
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For a well-educated person, the Former FM has a foul mouth, foul attitude and a horrible human being. I am embarrassed that I believed her for so many years. Poor kids, all 3 of them
I smelt her stinky from the get-go....For a well-educated person, the Former FM has a foul mouth, foul attitude and a horrible human being. I am embarrassed that I believed her for so many years. Poor kids, all 3 of them
But we couldn't talk about it till she became a suspect.
She STILL is afforded anonymity....no face...no name.
Disgusting.
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I thought the exact same thing. I am feeling so sick reading these articles.
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Agreed! No other POI would get that protection.I smelt her stinky from the get-go....
But we couldn't talk about it till she became a suspect.
She STILL is afforded anonymity....no face...no name.
Disgusting.
I am ashamed, I believed, food. Thinking about their interviews pretend crying, what a narcissist she is.
It doesn't matter that you gave her the benefit of doubt.
It is no reflection on you.
What happens in the dark always comes to light...and seeing the truth now is all that matters.
Supporting strikeforce rosann and the difficult mess they have been dealing with is all we can do from here.
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BBM why is fostering unsavoury and imperfect?
There is too much to unpack for me to do justice to the information that's been published over the past few days. I'll be interested to hear the defence. They must have the tapes the police have used. There was an article this week that gave a quote from a recording that sounded v. bad. Then another msm quoted the same line but with a few more words in the quote, that softened the threat and gave more context. I'm wondering if the defence will use the tapes to add more context on some of the examples played in court.
When this case 1st came to Hornsby court, I remember the magistrate thought that on the face of it, this case looked like a pretty standard case that she had had before her many times. The differences in this case is that there are recordings which I would say is usually not available, they were foster parents held to different standards around corporal punishment, whether police admit it or not, they are trying to create tendency evidence for WT's investigation.
Hearing a child's account and an adult's account in court over an alleged family assault is nothing like hearing it on a tape.
Some points that are just my opinion/observations
*The child is a tween who is obviously struggling in her school life with bullying.
*At home within that year a new child has come into her home
*There is the background and foundation of her life as a fostered child and her brother going missing and living with FP's who have been living with that for about 7 years by the time these recorded assaults were happening... the biggest missing person's case in NSW history.
*The child has really big needs.
*FFC besides the violence seems to be old school. Using many techniques, based on fear, that many parents never batted an eyelid in using and usually would pull kids into line. And kids knew rightly or wrongly not to act out on that behaviour. They were told the line. I've seen comedy shows based on parenting where parents say, I will last longer and wear out all your efforts and then the comedy ensues. And the audience laughs because that is what their parents did. Having said that, hearing the execution and reality of that is really hard.
*Hearing other's children cry and sob and scream is really hard to listen to. My feeling is that the FFC really thought that a point would come when the child would relent, but it never came because the child IMO is traumatised and needs very different care.
*I also heard in those quotes a strong awareness of being under scrutiny and the child probably threatening to dob them in all the time.
* IMO these FP's were so out of their depth with the problems this child was going through, the whole surrounding environment of WT's disappearance and its impact, and their expectations of what to expect and how to respond to this child and her complex needs. I'm really taken by the quote after the FFC has removed clothes and toys and the child repeatedly calling out, "I need help." It's heartbreaking to hear but again IMO, most kids wouldn't go on that way.
* FWIW, for all that I hear in the tapes, which are hard listening and sad and yes there is assault and misguided thinking etc. I don't hear the FFC swearing at her or calling her derogatory names and it strikes me that as misguided as her actions are, she has a level of respect for the child. Not so the MFC. My own impression of him is that he may say less and knows how to shut up and come across in public, but I feel sure that when he is angry, without saying much, everyone knows it and probably controls a lot of what is going on at home. Which was evident the morning WT disappeared before he went to his meeting. He gets cranky and she says she will handle it. That's based on nothing further than my intuition.
Nothing excuses what's been going on. Society and the law makes these situations black and white but humans are all shades of grey and in modern psychological terms, if you want to understand how these situations come about, they say that everyone is reacting/responding to an antecedants.....MOO
When this case 1st came to Hornsby court, I remember the magistrate thought that on the face of it, this case looked like a pretty standard case that she had had before her many times. The differences in this case is that there are recordings which I would say is usually not available, they were foster parents held to different standards around corporal punishment, whether police admit it or not, they are trying to create tendency evidence for WT's investigation.
Hearing a child's account and an adult's account in court over an alleged family assault is nothing like hearing it on a tape.
Some points that are just my opinion/observations
*The child is a tween who is obviously struggling in her school life with bullying.
*At home within that year a new child has come into her home
*There is the background and foundation of her life as a fostered child and her brother going missing and living with FP's who have been living with that for about 7 years by the time these recorded assaults were happening... the biggest missing person's case in NSW history.
*The child has really big needs.
*FFC besides the violence seems to be old school. Using many techniques, based on fear, that many parents never batted an eyelid in using and usually would pull kids into line. And kids knew rightly or wrongly not to act out on that behaviour. They were told the line. I've seen comedy shows based on parenting where parents say, I will last longer and wear out all your efforts and then the comedy ensues. And the audience laughs because that is what their parents did. Having said that, hearing the execution and reality of that is really hard.
*Hearing other's children cry and sob and scream is really hard to listen to. My feeling is that the FFC really thought that a point would come when the child would relent, but it never came because the child IMO is traumatised and needs very different care.
*I also heard in those quotes a strong awareness of being under scrutiny and the child probably threatening to dob them in all the time.
* IMO these FP's were so out of their depth with the problems this child was going through, the whole surrounding environment of WT's disappearance and its impact, and their expectations of what to expect and how to respond to this child and her complex needs. I'm really taken by the quote after the FFC has removed clothes and toys and the child repeatedly calling out, "I need help." It's heartbreaking to hear but again IMO, most kids wouldn't go on that way.
* FWIW, for all that I hear in the tapes, which are hard listening and sad and yes there is assault and misguided thinking etc. I don't hear the FFC swearing at her or calling her derogatory names and it strikes me that as misguided as her actions are, she has a level of respect for the child. Not so the MFC. My own impression of him is that he may say less and knows how to shut up and come across in public, but I feel sure that when he is angry, without saying much, everyone knows it and probably controls a lot of what is going on at home. Which was evident the morning WT disappeared before he went to his meeting. He gets cranky and she says she will handle it. That's based on nothing further than my intuition.
Nothing excuses what's been going on. Society and the law makes these situations black and white but humans are all shades of grey and in modern psychological terms, if you want to understand how these situations come about, they say that everyone is reacting/responding to an antecedants.....MOO
For a well-educated person, the Former FM has a foul mouth, foul attitude and a horrible human being. I am embarrassed that I believed her for so many years. Poor kids, all 3 of them
The FF is in the same boat. Look at the language he used with that child.
IMO, clearly neither of these people are have what it takes to deal with foster kids (or kids generally). IMO, from what they say to them as reported, they seem to think that they 'own' them.
Foster kids often come from quite troubled backgrounds. IMO, farming them out to people who cannot themselves deal with the consequences of that is pure folly.
Frankly, I'm mystified as to how they got other foster kids after essentially losing William on their watch.
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I didnt say that fostering was unsavoury and imperfect.
I said her little family came to her ' via unsavoury imperfect means but so be it.'
Not of her own biology, kids who have not had a great start...likely born drug addicted with unforeseen issues ahead.
Not ideal but as I also said I think she thought she was up for it and embraced it whole heartedly.
Hence 'so be it'.
Yes, possibly.
I’m not sure of the process but I’m assuming police would need a court order in order to remove a child?
Did they notify but it not go to court until later? I’m guessing they would of consulted with someone about what to do.
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