AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[2Hip2BSquare]

But don't most underage parties last until well into the next morning (until the sun comes up?)

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Hey honey! In San Diego for a few days. Checking regularly just hard to post from my phone. You just won the Pulitzer for journalists in my book, btw!!! <3

Sandsage - You are not far from me! If you would like to venture an hour up north for a visit, I would love to meet you in person and share ideas about Adrienne.

Hope your trip has been a blast so far honey buns!

Ok back to Adrienne!!!!

 

[cluciano63]

I wonder if the party kind of broke up due in part to the fight between A and her boyfriend. I don't think it was a "little" fight as her family described it.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

If I can say something... I had alcohol issues spanning back to age 11 (thanks genetics!).
Tops Liquor is RIGHT around the corner from that party. Now when I helped me underage brothers/sisters in wasted arms that lived on Hardy Kegs when we were underage, I would utilize TOPS liquor store with my fakie. I will admit I was somewhat of an ******* and social director.

But yeah... I just ... I feel like maybe TOPS liquor store needs to have their surveillance checked. I hope they still have record from that night.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I wonder if the party kind of broke up due in part to the fight between A and her boyfriend. I don't think it was a "little" fight as her family described it.

Yes it seems as if the drama was high!

And you know, I find it interesting the party goers remember how close her car Was parked to the building when she left the party for Scottsdale but couldn't remember her coming back to the apartment only 30 minutes after?!?!?


I call BS!!!

 

[MissDemeanor]

Hey honey! In San Diego for a few days. Checking regularly just hard to post from my phone. You just won the Pulitzer for journalists in my book, btw!!! <3

Thanks so much Hon! We begged for more info and we got it! Hopefully we can put our heads together and come up with something that makes sense! Have fun in SD!

Did they somehow verify that AS indeed was in possession of clothes like those in which she allegedly was last seen on the street?

I don't know. I'd really like to hear those calls to the cabby, if she sounded distressed/intoxicated.

Yes, Sargent Pooley told me she definitely changed clothes. They know this for a fact. She went back to her apartment after the wreck and changed from the sheer polka dot blouse into something else. As for the calls to the cabby, I agree with you, it would be helpful to know how she sounded, e.g.: distressed, intoxicated.

I wonder if she had a secret, local bad-guy boyfriend or lover?
Not judging her (nope, not this girl here)......maybe a new love interest or party-partner? Maybe someone to make the regular boyfriend jealous, just in case she needed to.

Maybe most of her friends don't even know about him or would think she'd be interested in him? Hmmm...

....'just thinking outloud and remembering how it was to be 19yrs old.....

:moo:

Hmmmm....that is interesting and the first time I have seen this posted or even under consideration. Somehow, however, I think she was obsessed or just hopelessly in love with the boyfriend. If you look at her Instagram account you can see this clearly.

So she left her wallet at the apartment. She was going to catch a cab to her bf's house. So how was she going to pay for the cab? I'm assuming her money was in her wallet. This - I think - is a clue to her state of mind. Very erratic behavior.

That's the 60 Million dollar question! You nailed it!!!

I never did like the part about her going back home and nobody saw her. To find out that she left the big overnight bag, well, having daughters...I find this ominous. They always carry a bag with them if they don't plan on being home shortly.

jmo

Yes, Wide. That big overnight bag was a key piece of evidence. Only today we find out she left it behind. Until today I thought she had taken it with her. This one bit of evidence sheds an entirely different light on thing IMO.

From MissD's convo w/ the detective:

"After Adrienne got back to the party, which Sargent Pooley said broke up around 3:00am, she wanted to go back to her boyfriend's house and packed a large bag. She told her roommates she was leaving and they heard her go out the door, which makes a noise and get into her car, which was parked right by the door. They are certain she left right away after going out the door.

This was, according to all counts, around 3:30am.

911 call at 3:44am. Sargent Pooley added to the 911 call, saying that the caller reported that a car had been tailgating her and driving erratically before hitting the median and that she wanted to help the person in the car but they sped off before she could lend assistance. "


When I read this I just keep thinking that everything is more or less okay until she gets back to her & her roommate's place.

I'm not so sure I agree with you here on everything being okay. I think she was out of control when she left her boyfriend's place walking and then he had to pick her up and she jumped out of his car at 5th and Mill. I have a feeling she was in a full "fight or flight mode". Just an opinion of course.

Then she leaves around 3:30 and gets in her car and drives away after packing her bag, so she was behaving pretty normally, or at least not like a total nutcase.

Then at 3:44 someone reports she's been tailgating them, driving erratically, and then hit the median?

Whoa now, slow down, that gets MY attention at least. That doesn't sound like she was ok. It sounds like she was reacting to something, like if someone dropped a lit cigarette between their legs and was distracted and crashed, or found a snake between their feet, or if someone realized someone was in their backseat and was suddenly threatened or something.

I agree that this comes across as really weird! But then again I have no idea how intoxicated she was. It does sound like she was frantic. But I know where you are headed. That you think someone might have been in the car with her?

I don't know but that is when things become "not right" to me... the time between her roommate or other party goer picking her up after she got out of her BF's car, and the time when she crashed.

I also get a sense of franticness from her two periods of repeated phone calls.. once to her BF and again later to the cab guy.

Something isn't right here.

She was po'd her BF wasn't giving her enough attention.. I fear someone else gave her more than enough. Way more.

If I was going to play with my imaginary missing persons magic 8 ball and were to ask it what happened to Adrienne, I suspect it might tell me "sex trafficking attempt gone bad - this girl put up too much of a fight".

This extremely disjointed and possibly nonsensical post was brought to you by a caffeine-less GGE on her way to bed, so please take with a bushel of salt and my standard lack of caffeine disclaimer.

I wish you did have a magic ball! Somehow I don't think this 5'6" 110 lb girl, who was broken hearted and intoxicated at the very least had much fight left in her. I think she had more flight than fight.

Sounds like she may have been on something that night, unless the accident just caused her behavior to become more and more erratic. Maybe she came home and meant to,stay put after the wreck but then got herself riled up,again and she set off to see the BF once more, forgetting her stuff.

But maybe this time she didn't even intend to go back to the boyfriend's place again. We haven't been told where she told the cab company she wanted to go. Like Sgt Pooley said, things get really fuzzy/confusing after she went home to change. Unless they are not telling us (which is a very big possibility) all they know about her going back to her apartment following the wreck, she could have been planning to go see a friend. But why leave her vital things behind? Why not ask someone to look after her beloved dog if she thought she was going to be gone for a while? I think the fact she didn't ask anyone to look after her dog is very extremely important.

This new information (thank you Miss Demeanor) sure gives us some new info to think through.
She gets out of BF car and begins to walk at 5th and Mill vicinity.
BF calls room mate to meet Adrienne and she does this around 2:30
The party breaks up around 3 am.
She packs a large bag.
They hear her leaving. She goes out the door and its a noisy door and she gets in her car which is parked right by the door. They are certain she left right away. This, according to all accounts (who is the "all accounts") is around 3:30 am. (thats a lot of detail for persons who didnt hear her return and come back in that noisy door.)
Adrienne had a little dog?

Yes, she had a little small dog. She has photos of it on Instagram. And the "all accounts" I referred to is Sargent Pooley.

Lots of new info, If MSM is reading here I bet they will have news to print soon.

jmo

I would certainly hope so!!!

I think it sounds like she was blackout drunk. None of these behaviors, from picking a fight with the bf, to crashing the car, are unusual for someone who is blacked out from drinking. The stories seem to add up, until the car accident. I think it sounds quite possible that her roommate(s) were sound asleep after a night of drinking and inferred that she came home by the appearance of her belongings. If that is the case, something happened to her between the apt and the AMPM.

If the roommate/friends are lying, the cab call is an excellent way to deflect attention. However, it would take some serious teenage masterminds to drunkenly hide a body so thoroughly that not one clue was left behind. Which takes me back to scenario 1: something happens to AS as she walks, drunk snd distraught, to meet a cab.

I think you are right in that she could have been "blackout drunk". But more than anything I think she was deeply depressed. That's just my opinion but I think it is shared by LE. Sgt Pooley never came out and said that to me but I got the feeling he shared my opinion as we discussed the possibility of this being the case. They do know, without a doubt, that she went home after the wreck and changed clothes, leaving behind her big purse, wallet, etc. He told me this is fact. No one saw her, however, which is strange.

Oh god the somebody in her backseat scenario has HAUNTED me as well GGE. Thank you for admitting that scenario.

That possibility has haunted me as well, since I first read about this. But when talking to Sgt Pooley he strongly indicated they have done whatever kind of forensic on the car and have determined that Adrienne was in it alone.

But don't most underage parties last until well into the next morning (until the sun comes up?)

Do we know how old most of them were? I only know the age of Adrienne. Maybe the majority were over 21. Whatever the case, he said it shut down around 3am.

I wonder if the party kind of broke up due in part to the fight between A and her boyfriend. I don't think it was a "little" fight as her family described it.

I totally agree with you on this not being a "little fight" as her dad described it. And at the time I wondered why he wanted to stress that. I would have just left it out completely had it been me.

Yes it seems as if the drama was high!

And you know, I find it interesting the party goers remember how close her car Was parked to the building when she left the party for Scottsdale but couldn't remember her coming back to the apartment only 30 minutes after?!?!?


I call BS!!!

That is an interesting point you make 2Hip! Maybe she has an assigned parking place and that's how they know where she was parked. Sgt Pooley told me they heard her car door slam and her take off right after she left the apartment. Then the party broke up around 3am, he said. So maybe they all went to bed then and didn't hear her when she returned and then left again.
At least we have a little bit more information than we had before. I'm not ready to call BS on the roommates just yet. In fact, I have great compassion for them. If there were 40/50 people there in that small apartment and after a night of drinking, it might be very easy not to notice when someone came and went.
And that could include strangers......

 

[MissDemeanor]

To me, the biggest question next to 'how she disappeared' is why she would change clothes and then leave again, leaving behind her wallet, packed bag and keys, and then call a cab to meet her somewhere other than her apartment.

I can think of reasons she might leave her ID behind (I don't like any of them) but I can't figure out, for the life of me, why she would call a cab if she left everything behind.

Anyone?

 

[MissDemeanor]

To me, the biggest question next to 'how she disappeared' is why she would change clothes and then leave again, leaving behind her wallet, packed bag and keys, and then call a cab to meet her somewhere other than her apartment.

I can think of reasons she might leave her ID behind (I don't like any of them) but I can't figure out, for the life of me, why she would call a cab if she left everything behind.

Anyone?

I think I just answered my own question! But I'm going to wait and see what someone else says and then I will tell you what popped into my mind right after I posted the question of "why would she call a cab if she left all her belongings there".

Something new just entered my mind.

 

[prospektor]

Yes, Sargent Pooley told me she definitely changed clothes. They know this for a fact. She went back to her apartment after the wreck and changed from the sheer polka dot blouse into something else. As for the calls to the cabby, I agree with you, it would be helpful to know how she sounded, e.g.: distressed, intoxicated.

BBM

I still have a hard time to accept this as a fact unless there is a surveillance camera at her apartment (in which case they'd know what she was wearing when she left). Was there word on the party status during the time she allegedly returned? If nobody saw her, was it still in full party mode, chaotic? Had most people left and only a handful was gathered in the kitchen? Were a lot of people crashing there and sleeping all over the place? A beautiful drunk young woman coming in and undressing could give some an idea.

She was last seen wearing a black sheer blouse with white polka dots, a black bra and dark colored jeans.

In that regard, I'd like to know if she also changed bras (read: if they found the black bra together with the blouse/jeans)

I sure hope this gets solved and we will learn all the details. At this point, I can understand LE just giving out only enough information to gather evidence.
I do not think this was heartbroken suicide. I do not think she's alive, though. My money is on someone who knew her and at one point was at the party.
Of course it always can be an opportunity snatching, but in that case, I have very little hope that this can be solved unless her body/belongings turn up pretty quickly. :sigh:

 

[GGE]

Oh god the somebody in her backseat scenario has HAUNTED me as well GGE. Thank you for admitting that scenario.

Literally, a phobia I share with my father is getting in a car and discovering mid drive that someone is in the back seat area...

There is no backseat and no shower curtain that hasn't been thoroughly inspected prior to me settling in alone in either vicinity - EVER!

 

[GGE]

Yes it seems as if the drama was high!

And you know, I find it interesting the party goers remember how close her car Was parked to the building when she left the party for Scottsdale but couldn't remember her coming back to the apartment only 30 minutes after?!?!?


I call BS!!!

I am using my imagination here:

"we were too wasted to remember anything at all except the part where she totally definitely left here completely safe, question us about that part of the story as much as you want, we got that part all worked out between us. Left at 3:30, how do we know? We heard hte door. It's for sure. Definitely wasn't here after 3:30. Nope she got into the car. how do we know? We heard it leave right away. Could anyone have gotten into it with her? No, no way, it was right by the door."

Seriously is it just me or does it sound like everything they "know" from the partygoers came to them in the form of denial, deflection, and self-interest? IMO, naturally.

:banghead:

If I was a mother questioning my kids and their buddies and got those kinds of answers my assumption would be that she definitely left WITH somebody, possibly by 3:30am, and that everyone else in the house knows it and needs to be separated, questioned, and played against one another. NO SUPPER FOR ANY OF YOU!

 

[GGE]

Just to clarify, I'm not really going anywhere with any of my conjectures. I feel like I'm doing a maze, and insisting on tracing all of the routes, even the ones that lead to dead ends. That's all. Just exploring everything.

All that I feel certain of is that there are people or at least one person at the party who knows more than they're saying, and that foul play was involved, and that probably her emotional state was taken advantage of.

 

[balaney]

IMO. If someone was in her car and she came out with her bag and the intention of going to her boyfriends and she was surprised by the intruder which caused her to drive erratically? Maybe she was giving someone a ride home before going to her boyfriends. Maybe she was too intoxicated to drive so a friend said they would Maybe they have the accident and the friend walks back to the apartment and A choses to call a cab and continue on to her BFs
Also. When BF calls the roommate to pick A up something could have happened. Maybe A was hit by the car? The friend had to cover it up?
If nobody saw her return but are positive she did return-could it have been someone else that returned?

 

[GGE]

IMO. If someone was in her car and she came out with her bag and the intention of going to her boyfriends and she was surprised by the intruder which caused her to drive erratically? Maybe she was giving someone a ride home before going to her boyfriends. Maybe she was too intoxicated to drive so a friend said they would Maybe they have the accident and the friend walks back to the apartment and A choses to call a cab and continue on to her BFs
Also. When BF calls the roommate to pick A up something could have happened. Maybe A was hit by the car? The friend had to cover it up?
If nobody saw her return but are positive she did return-could it have been someone else that returned?

Good thoughts! Only thing I see that can't work is the last line - they found the blouse she had been wearing at the apartment, so its' unlikely that someone else came back and left her blouse there and then took back off IYKWIM. Also while she was there she left behind her overnight bag and wallet and a single key to her car, so it seems very likely that she did, in fact, return.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I am using my imagination here:

"we were too wasted to remember anything at all except the part where she totally definitely left here completely safe, question us about that part of the story as much as you want, we got that part all worked out between us. Left at 3:30, how do we know? We heard hte door. It's for sure. Definitely wasn't here after 3:30. Nope she got into the car. how do we know? We heard it leave right away. Could anyone have gotten into it with her? No, no way, it was right by the door."

Seriously is it just me or does it sound like everything they "know" from the partygoers came to them in the form of denial, deflection, and self-interest? IMO, naturally.

:banghead:

If I was a mother questioning my kids and their buddies and got those kinds of answers my assumption would be that she definitely left WITH somebody, possibly by 3:30am, and that everyone else in the house knows it and needs to be separated, questioned, and played against one another. NO SUPPER FOR ANY OF YOU!

I agree!

They hear the car leave. Then they do not notice her come back, not even to change after the wreck??? What do they all have lights out bedtime at 3:30?

You know, it's interesting Pooley said a friend gave her a ride back to the APT after she got out of the BFs car on Mill and 5th and started walking... Why wouldn't she call this same friend for help when she got into the wreck and needed a ride as well????

(So from what Pooley said, Adrienne was wanting her BF to pay more attention to her at the party. The boyfriend had to physically get Adrienne out of that party to keep the situation from escalating)

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

Good thoughts! Only thing I see that can't work is the last line - they found the blouse she had been wearing at the apartment, so its' unlikely that someone else came back and left her blouse there and then took back off IYKWIM. Also while she was there she left behind her overnight bag and wallet and a single key to her car, so it seems very likely that she did, in fact, return.

Maybe the blouse change was from when she first got home before the wreck??? (I'm finding it difficult to believe anything these kids told LE anymore...)

 

[cluciano63]

I think she made it home and left again. Weren't all those texts after she would have left? I don't think someone pretending to be her would text 13 or 17 times, whatever it was, in a few minutes. It fits with how she was behaving.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

IMO. If someone was in her car and she came out with her bag and the intention of going to her boyfriends and she was surprised by the intruder which caused her to drive erratically? Maybe she was giving someone a ride home before going to her boyfriends. Maybe she was too intoxicated to drive so a friend said they would Maybe they have the accident and the friend walks back to the apartment and A choses to call a cab and continue on to her BFs
Also. When BF calls the roommate to pick A up something could have happened. Maybe A was hit by the car? The friend had to cover it up?
If nobody saw her return but are positive she did return-could it have been someone else that returned?

This is where the front end damage gets me. I hit a curb in my youth and yes the tire popped like a balloon, but the front end didn't have damage like LE was saying.

I mean... I worry that maybe a girl she had issues with at the party bc of the BF punctured/slit her two front tires? Only a mile into her drive the car begins to drive erratically and out of control as her power steering/alignment is become more and more shot as the tires loose air? Could the female voice that called for a cab be Adrienne's assailant? Perhaps this female had a male with her that helped? The lapdog sort?

God this sounds like a bad Lindsey lohan movie....

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

It's almost like her wallet and bag were left by someone intentional to scream "look! No robbery! Her stuff is here! No foul play! No siree!"

 

[cluciano63]

I think she was kidnapped or accepted a ride from someone near the convenience store. I don't think her clothes and belongings being left behind are part of a set-up to make it look like she came home and left again. LE is saying she DID change and leave. Not that they were told she did those things. They must have a reason.