AZ AZ - Adrienne Salinas, 19, Tempe , 15 June 2013 - #2

[MissDemeanor]

I think she made it home and left again. Weren't all those texts after she would have left? I don't think someone pretending to be her would text 13 or 17 times, whatever it was, in a few minutes. It fits with how she was behaving.

I agree. On both counts. Making it home and the texting. It fits right in with her obsessive behavior that night.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Been out of action on WS, due to very ill Mom. Been checking daily for updates. Out of all cases, I am so very shocked Adrienne has not been found yet. Thank you everyone for your tireless work. I am at a loss. I am really saddened it has turned into weeks.

So sorry to hear about your mom being so sick. I hope she will get well soon. Thanks for taking time to post.

 

[cluciano63]

If someone staged this whole thing, they would have had a lot more on their mind than texting repeatedly to the BF. Maybe they would send one text, even two if they thought they would be clever but not eleven.

LE does not state as fact anything they do not know as fact. Hr clothes and wallet being in her room would not prove not them she came home and changed and left again, IMO. I do not know what other evidence they have but they have some, IMO.

She may have found everyone passed out when she came home, or she was so determined to change and get back to her goal of getting to the BF, she did not even look for anyone for a ride and simply forgot her wallet. She was not thinking clearly, obviously.

Whatever happened to her did not involve the party, IMO. She may have taken a ride with someone she recognized, maybe even someone who had been at the party, but I think the only relevant part of the party is the fight that was stirred up. And she may still have been taken by a stranger, as there would not be too many witnesses at that hour.

 

[MissDemeanor]

I think she was kidnapped or accepted a ride from someone near the convenience store. I don't think her clothes and belongings being left behind are part of a set-up to make it look like she came home and left again. LE is saying she DID change and leave. Not that they were told she did those things. They must have a reason.

Yes, this could very well be what happened. However, after she came back and changed clothes it seems so very odd that she would leave her belongings there unless she got a ride with someone else but even so, why would she leave all her things. Even if they tricked her into thinking they were just giving her a lift. Why would a girl go off and leave her keys, wallet and overnight bag?

 

[MissDemeanor]

If someone staged this whole thing, they would have had a lot more on their mind than texting repeatedly to the BF. Maybe they would send one text, even two if they thought they would be clever but not eleven.

LE does not state as fact anything they do not know as fact. Hr clothes and wallet being in her room would not prove not them she came home and changed and left again, IMO. I do not know what other evidence they have but they have some, IMO.

She may have found everyone passed out when she came home, or she was so determined to change and get back to her goal of getting to the BF, she did not even look for anyone for a ride and simply forgot her wallet. She was not thinking clearly, obviously.

Whatever happened to her did not involve the party, IMO. She may have taken a ride with someone she recognized, maybe even someone who had been at the party, but I think the only relevant part of the party is the fight that was stirred up. And she may still have been taken by a stranger, as there would not be too many witnesses at that hour.

We are totally on the same page. But there is something that has been nagging at me since last night. Something I hadn't even considered before receiving this new information. I'm not sure I can talk about it here but I'm going to try to get it in just so someone else can respond.

To say she was not thinking clearly is an understatement, sadly. A little 110 lb girl would not have to drink much to be totally wasted. And in her emotional and perhaps depressed state, alcohol would have been the worst downer she could have taken.

 

[cluciano63]

We are totally on the same page. But there is something that has been nagging at me since last night. Something I hadn't even considered before receiving this new information. I'm not sure I can talk about it here but I'm going to try to get it in just so someone else can respond.

To say she was not thinking clearly is an understatement, sadly. A little 110 lb girl would not have to drink much to be totally wasted. And in her emotional and perhaps depressed state, alcohol would have been the worst downer she could have taken.

It is weird, as I weigh 110 and am pretty average-looking as far as size, meaning not skinny or tiny. And when I did drink, I could hold my own. But not everyone can and it is possible that more than alcohol was at play.

 

[MissDemeanor]

To me, the biggest question next to 'how she disappeared' is why she would change clothes and then leave again, leaving behind her wallet, packed bag and keys, and then call a cab to meet her somewhere other than her apartment.

I can think of reasons she might leave her ID behind (I don't like any of them) but I can't figure out, for the life of me, why she would call a cab if she left everything behind.

Anyone?

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This came into my mind last night and I was hoping someone else might have had the same thought and would have posted it but no one has so ... here goes:

Her calling a cab to meet her at the AM/PM simply has NEVER made any sense. Unless she was already AT the AM/PM when she called, but we know she wasn't because she was never seen on the surveillance tapes there.

So, what if she DIDN'T ask the cab to meet her at the AM/PM store?
What if she asked the cab company to send someone to her apartment?

She called the cab company at 4:23 am and he, according to his dad's interview, didn't call Adrienne until 5:05 am the first time.

There are phone records to prove this. But is there a recording to prove where she asked to be picked up?

If, as his father stated, he was only 20 minutes away, why did he not call Adrienne until 42 minutes later?

Does anyone know if Adrienne has ever used that cab company before?

Just speculating on the weirdness of her wanting the cab driver to meet her at the AM/PM (if she did).

 

[MissDemeanor]

It is weird, as I weigh 110 and am pretty average-looking as far as size, meaning not skinny or tiny. And when I did drink, I could hold my own. But not everyone can and it is possible that more than alcohol was at play.

haha! That's funny because I pictured you as a feisty little thing! LOL!

Yes....I have thought of other substances as well. We also don't know what prescription drugs Adrienne might have been taking that didn't mix well with alcohol.

 

[goblinsolo]

We are totally on the same page. But there is something that has been nagging at me since last night. Something I hadn't even considered before receiving this new information. I'm not sure I can talk about it here but I'm going to try to get it in just so someone else can respond.

To say she was not thinking clearly is an understatement, sadly. A little 110 lb girl would not have to drink much to be totally wasted. And in her emotional and perhaps depressed state, alcohol would have been the worst downer she could have taken.

without being told the chemistry of what was being taken/drunk at this party, i for one aren't sure as to what was going on with her?

for example, NO ONE AT PARTY has been on record saying what was going on, and i would venture to guess that cocaine was part of the mix. thats just a hunch. if so, she wouldnt be so groggy or out of it, until she came down, and then if alcohol was still playing a part in her body chemistry, she could very well of finally 'crashed' as in, passed out.

and, that the car and her bedroom were investigated fully by police, there is no evidence released saying anything to the fact of her possibly experiencing alcohol poisoning. BUT PERHAPS thats why she changed clothing? why else, would she? many reasons, one of which is that her outfit was damaged or dirty. from the accident, perhaps, as well.

thats why, i was thinking the k9/scent is so vital that first 24-48hrs, BECAUSE her trail could be followed (and allow the mind to wander a bit,) and think of the possible things she could of left/done in this area to figure out where she dissapeared to. sometime in this time frame, with her being everywhere in this area, AND IF SHE WAS AS INTOXICATED as we assume, i think its not out of the question that IF a trail existed as to her whereabouts, something could of been followed physically via scent. im no ranger/expert but thats why i keep wishing that within that first day or so, all the stops woulda been put out there to find her.

all imo, and overthinking this is making my head hurt. perhaps its much much more simple, as to what happened

 

[MissDemeanor]

without being told the chemistry of what was being taken/drunk at this party, i for one aren't sure as to what was going on with her?

for example, NO ONE AT PARTY has been on record saying what was going on, and i would venture to guess that cocaine was part of the mix. thats just a hunch. if so, she wouldnt be so groggy or out of it, until she came down, and then if alcohol was still playing a part in her body chemistry, she could very well of finally 'crashed' as in, passed out.

and, that the car and her bedroom were investigated fully by police, there is no evidence released saying anything to the fact of her possibly experiencing alcohol poisoning. BUT PERHAPS thats why she changed clothing? why else, would she? many reasons, one of which is that her outfit was damaged or dirty. from the accident, perhaps, as well.

thats why, i was thinking the k9/scent is so vital that first 24-48hrs, BECAUSE her trail could be followed (and allow the mind to wander a bit,) and think of the possible things she could of left/done in this area to figure out where she dissapeared to. sometime in this time frame, with her being everywhere in this area, AND IF SHE WAS AS INTOXICATED as we assume, i think its not out of the question that IF a trail existed as to her whereabouts, something could of been followed physically via scent. im no ranger/expert but thats why i keep wishing that within that first day or so, all the stops woulda been put out there to find her.

all imo, and overthinking this is making my head hurt. perhaps its much much more simple, as to what happened

Hey Goblin,

Yeah...if she had any rational thoughts left at all I would think she would get out of that sheer party blouse that you could see her bra right through and change into something else.

As far as if there was substance abuse going on at the party, I doubt that even if LE knows this they would share this information publicly. And I agree that there could well have been all kinds of stuff being passed around.

But then I don't know and I hate to rag on these kids too much. I was a kid once too. There by the grace of God go I!



I DO wish, like YOU, that they had used K9s right away to track her scent from the apartment. Maybe they did and they just haven't told us. Could that be?

 

[cluciano63]

Maybe cabs always take a while to pick up students, so she knew she had to call on the way?

Maybe she had blood on her clothes from the wreck, a bloody nose or something?

 

[goblinsolo]

from pics of the roommate, and her, and some other chick drinking budweiser and w the blue cups from a past insty post (or was it fb,) and her not being 21, i dont think its too hard to imagine things outside of legality also being taken as well. in tempe or any college town or big city, its easier to acquire said items than to use a fake ID. esp when u have 40 people at your party, at least 1 of them, was not there to just drink, IMO

perhaps that sounds like a judgement of her and the 'friends' and party people, but truly i think we are all just trying to draw up a vision of what went down that night, what characters were involved, and to what extent mentally and physically the road she might of gone down (both figurativelyand literally...)

 

[MissDemeanor]

Apparently she texted her BF that she was "Coming Over" after trying to contact him repeatedly (11 times). So maybe she assumed she could just show up and knock on his door since she told him via text she was "coming over"?

2Hip...you saw her comment on Instagram where she posted "Tell new that you belong to me" didn't you?

I think this is important! It was Friday night and with these kids that's not "date night". So maybe she knew he had a date with "new" on Saturday night or maybe she thought "new" was at his place with him when she left to go back.

If he did have someone there with him that would explain why he never answered her calls or got back to her.

 

[MissDemeanor]

from pics of the roommate, and her, and some other chick drinking budweiser and w the blue cups from a past insty post (or was it fb,) and her not being 21, i dont think its too hard to imagine things outside of legality also being taken as well. in tempe or any college town or big city, its easier to acquire said items than to use a fake ID. esp when u have 40 people at your party, at least 1 of them, was not there to just drink, IMO

perhaps that sounds like a judgement of her and the 'friends' and party people, but truly i think we are all just trying to draw up a vision of what went down that night, what characters were involved, and to what extent mentally and physically the road she might of gone down (both figurativelyand literally...)

I don't think it sounds like you are judging in the slightest.

And yes...we are all only speculating with different theories and each theory is so important!

We must keep throwing out these possible scenarios...no matter how wacky they may sound.

Truth is stranger than fiction!

 

[MissDemeanor]

Maybe cabs always take a while to pick up students, so she knew she had to call on the way?

Maybe she had blood on her clothes from the wreck, a bloody nose or something?

The blood on her clothes is a distinct possibility I would think. But I thought that cab companies were pretty reliable when they say how long it will take to pick up a fare. At least that's been my experience and also the poster here who owns a cab company posted the same thing.

He said they are usually really close in the times they predict they will be there. I was wondering if the cab company knew her and knew where she lived.

 

[MissDemeanor]

Time for me to get ready for an appointment but I will leave you with this final thought:

I am now beginning to believe that Adrienne never asked a cab company to meet her at the AM/PM store.

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GEEZE! That sounds so crazy!!!! I must be getting delirious!

 

[goblinsolo]

the cab.

hmm. how did she get that number for the cabbie? was it in her cell as a saved number? was it found via a quick search online thru her smartphone (if she had a smartphone?) was it a number she got earlier, did she previously meet or get a biz card, or something, that led her to this particular company? was he random to her pickup, or was he not random at all?

she got out at mill and picked up by her roomie earlier. WHY DID SHE NOT USE HER ROOMIE to take her to her bfs, later?
why, a cab?

cabbie was in area, and didnt see this girl at 4-5am time frame? or whatever it was?
im getting more and more suspicious of that. cabbies are pretty dang aware of their area. they have to be. did he get another fare call? that would be easy to trace, i would think.

 

[MissDemeanor]

the cab.

hmm. how did she get that number for the cabbie? was it in her cell as a saved number? was it found via a quick search online thru her smartphone (if she had a smartphone?) was it a number she got earlier, did she previously meet or get a biz card, or something, that led her to this particular company? was he random to her pickup, or was he not random at all?

she got out at mill and picked up by her roomie earlier. WHY DID SHE NOT USE HER ROOMIE to take her to her bfs, later?
why, a cab?

cabbie was in area, and didnt see this girl at 4-5am time frame? or whatever it was?
im getting more and more suspicious of that. cabbies are pretty dang aware of their area. they have to be. did he get another fare call? that would be easy to trace, i would think.

I only have a couple of minutes before I have to leave but this post seems really important so I want to respond and I hope others will as well.

I read here somewhere, posted by a cab driver, that these kids really do depend on their cab drivers because they don't want to get DUIs. So it's possible she could have known the driver/company very well. She may have used them many times going back and forth from Tempe to Scottsdale as it is a Scottsdale company.

I think it is very relevant to know all the questions you have posed about the cab company.

As for why the roommate didn't take her to her boyfriend's, I am sure the roomie had been drinking and wouldn't want to take a chance driving. When she picked her up before, at Mill and 5th, it was because the boyfriend had called her and asked her to do it. Not Adrienne.

I'm wondering about the cab driver.

 

[MissDemeanor]

One final thought:

My mind is spinning...out of control.

What if the boyfriend's new girlfriend was somehow involved?

Is it okay for me to speculate on this?

 

[goblinsolo]

had to be a streetcam on 5th/mill and a salinas getting out of her bfs' car. its one of the busier intersections of town. how did the roomy zero in to a salinas so properly as the bf called? did she sit there and wait for the car? how would she know (a salinas) that roomy was on way to get her?

so incredible the precision as to how the roomy can get her, within seconds of being called.

and how INPRECISE everything collapsed to, just a few hrs later.

and how a bf who can somehow navigate the interception of his gf by her roomy via car, can no longer answer a phone 11 times called, or txt, and not care either for 2 days.

its so rather, ridiculous. i dont even mean there
is guilt to any of that, just a selfishness that speaks to the entire scenario where she was no longer 'seen' after the accident but made her way to her apt, changed, and went out for a cab? was everyone asleep? was the 40 plus people from party all back home and asleep for bedtime?

clockwork, until the accident. thats how this reads. everything was in a perfect place w a perfect alibi, until it was no longer sensical to draw a story round it, and then it goes 'fuzzy'.

i dont think the bf was as non-existent in those 2 days we suppose, i dont think the party was either, nor the roomie. and someone is not revealing all their cards. cabbie, included. is everyone in this case that mute/dumb as to the 48 hrs or whatever til her father found her car?