AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #5

[Izzylizzy]

I’ve wondered for a few years if the Gilbert temple needs a massive saging!
Smoke that evil out

You wondered right.
Then head over to Judge Beresky's courtroom after the verdict is read and LD is led out in handcuffs.
imo

 

[aafromaa]

She was warned by the court not to state that she was a good person because that would allow the prosecution to bring up her murder convictions. She doesn't seem to accept it and claims that the prosecution gave up that right before the trial. Two separate rules are at play (Lori is referring to 404 and the prosecution to 405).

• Rule 404 Character Evidence; Other Crimes, Wrongs, or Acts
• Rule 405 Methods of Proving Character

Federal Rules of Evidence

www.law.cornell.edu

When LVD had her argument with the Judge - just before getting thrown out - she seemed quite enthused that she might trigger a 404 hearing - I think it was 404. She said something like well then can we stop trial and have the 404 hearing? To which the judge replied a very short one. Is this the hearing she referenced in her most recent request for a new judge - that he denied her a hearing she was entitled to?

Any thoughts on why she wants that hearing so much? Is it to say to the judge haha I got it anyway? Would she risk those past convictions coming in just to be able to say see I got my hearing? Is it just to “stop trial” and cause another delay? Why does she seem so determined to delay this trial anyway?

I guess it’s one of those things that where you can’t make sense out of a senseless narcissist like her but I thought she seemed a bit too happy about the possibility of that hearing and can’t see why.

 

[Megnut]

I haven't recovered from her cross of BB. Loving Lori could not contain her disdain for BB whose greatest misfortune in life IMO was meeting her.

Jury doesn't know it (yet), but we do -- she is attacking his reputation and credibility, pushing this inane BB-LE conspiracy like he's somehow a dark lord, when she ordered the hits on her own children.

To stand before the judge who just witnessed her being found guilty in CV's death and break out her sanctimonious lawyerspeak, like they're colleagues is beyond repugnant.

Does the good judge have a little clicker for her bad rack belt? Or do the bailiffs have exclusive control? Will we see her light up a little before the trial's done? She does struggle to adhere to warnings.

She's pushing it.

Asking for a zapity do dah day.

JMO

 

[Nikynoo]

When LVD had her argument with the Judge - just before getting thrown out - she seemed quite enthused that she might trigger a 404 hearing - I think it was 404. She said something like well then can we stop trial and have the 404 hearing? To which the judge replied a very short one. Is this the hearing she referenced in her most recent request for a new judge - that he denied her a hearing she was entitled to?

Any thoughts on why she wants that hearing so much? Is it to say to the judge haha I got it anyway? Would she risk those past convictions coming in just to be able to say see I got my hearing? Is it just to “stop trial” and cause another delay? Why does she seem so determined to delay this trial anyway?

I guess it’s one of those things that where you can’t make sense out of a senseless narcissist like her but I thought she seemed a bit too happy about the possibility of that hearing and can’t see why.

IMO she misunderstands the law around 404 and 405. Lori seems to think that because the state pulled 404(b) they can never bring anything character related in.

 

[Megnut]

IMO she misunderstands the law around 404 and 405. Lori seems to think that because the state pulled 404(b) they can never bring anything character related in.

Lori got her law degree from the bottom of a cracker jack's box.

And by 'degree' I mean the 'nth' one. She is annoying all the way to it.

All nerve, no shame.

JMO

 

[Niner]

Asking for a zapity do dah day.

You always come up with some "good ones"!! Thanks for the laugh!

 

[Izzylizzy]

If you'd like to hear/see again why and how it came to LD getting thrown out of the courtroom.

@ 10:10

 

[Wishbone]

When LVD had her argument with the Judge - just before getting thrown out - she seemed quite enthused that she might trigger a 404 hearing - I think it was 404. She said something like well then can we stop trial and have the 404 hearing? To which the judge replied a very short one. Is this the hearing she referenced in her most recent request for a new judge - that he denied her a hearing she was entitled to?

Any thoughts on why she wants that hearing so much? Is it to say to the judge haha I got it anyway? Would she risk those past convictions coming in just to be able to say see I got my hearing? Is it just to “stop trial” and cause another delay? Why does she seem so determined to delay this trial anyway?

I guess it’s one of those things that where you can’t make sense out of a senseless narcissist like her but I thought she seemed a bit too happy about the possibility of that hearing and can’t see why.

She insisted on a 404B hearing if it came to that, but I'm confused how she could gain anything from it. Maybe that is why the judge said it would be a short hearing. IDk.
Annotation

Rule 404(b) of the Federal Rules of Evidence makes inadmissible most character evidence regarding crimes or acts for which no charges were filed, but this rule should not be used to eliminate evidence of criminal activity committed by the defendant at the same time as the crime charged, as a predicate to the crime charged, or as part of the context of the crime charged.

Abstract

The rule regarding character evidence is appropriate. However, the concerns that prompted its development are inapplicable when the uncharged misconduct evidence is inextricably intertwined with the crime charged. The defendant would not be unduly surprised or unprepared to meet this evidence. In addition, inextricably intertwined evidence is not likely to be as prejudicial as evidence of a wholly independent crime, because only one event is at issue. The risk that the jury would infer a propensity to criminality from just one event is negligible. In addition, in most cases, the defendant is charged with the most serious of the offenses, and the accompanying misconduct will appear small in comparison. Inextricably intertwined evidence should be subject to the same general admissibility requirements as other evidence that is used to provide the trier of fact with a complete picture of the crime in question.

Uncharged Misconduct Under Rule 404(b): The Admissibility of Inextricably Intertwined Evidence | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

 

[Megnut]

She insisted on a 404B hearing if it came to that, but I'm confused how she could gain anything from it. Maybe that is why the judge said it would be a short hearing. IDk.
Annotation

Rule 404(b) of the Federal Rules of Evidence makes inadmissible most character evidence regarding crimes or acts for which no charges were filed, but this rule should not be used to eliminate evidence of criminal activity committed by the defendant at the same time as the crime charged, as a predicate to the crime charged, or as part of the context of the crime charged.

Abstract

The rule regarding character evidence is appropriate. However, the concerns that prompted its development are inapplicable when the uncharged misconduct evidence is inextricably intertwined with the crime charged. The defendant would not be unduly surprised or unprepared to meet this evidence. In addition, inextricably intertwined evidence is not likely to be as prejudicial as evidence of a wholly independent crime, because only one event is at issue. The risk that the jury would infer a propensity to criminality from just one event is negligible. In addition, in most cases, the defendant is charged with the most serious of the offenses, and the accompanying misconduct will appear small in comparison. Inextricably intertwined evidence should be subject to the same general admissibility requirements as other evidence that is used to provide the trier of fact with a complete picture of the crime in question.

Uncharged Misconduct Under Rule 404(b): The Admissibility of Inextricably Intertwined Evidence | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

I recently learned, having followed a different trial, that the judge can send the jury out, and hold a hearing right then and there. She seems to think she can pause the trial, go on holiday and write out her arguments and come back when she feels like it. Yeah, no. He'll hold the hearing on the spot. The Statw likely has his argument already prepared; LD has been warned repeatedly. Depending on hos egregious her overstep, if she does it again, I think he'll remedy it by revoking her pro se status before he'll allow her convicting in. They're too damning.

JMO

 

[indicolite22]

In their latest podcast episode, Lori's brother and uncle discuss a plethora of questions they each still have about Lori's and Chad's cases, knowing that some (or most) might never be answered. They are curious to know exactly what each perpetrator's role was in the murders and about the psychology behind it. They would like other cult members and associates to elaborate on their testimonies, e.g. Audrey B's account of being threatened by Lori. Adam also mentioned Zulema having an exchange with Alex about Tylee being a zombie. It's not likely that the people involved would want to talk though, especially since some of them are still under investigation.

 

[sassyblue]

I haven't recovered from her cross of BB. Loving Lori could not contain her disdain for BB whose greatest misfortune in life IMO was meeting her.

Jury doesn't know it (yet), but we do -- she is attacking his reputation and credibility, pushing this inane BB-LE conspiracy like he's somehow a dark lord, when she ordered the hits on her own children.

To stand before the judge who just witnessed her being found guilty in CV's death and break out her sanctimonious lawyerspeak, like they're colleagues is beyond repugnant.

Does the good judge have a little clicker for her bad rack belt? Or do the bailiffs have exclusive control? Will we see her light up a little before the trial's done? She does struggle to adhere to warnings.

She's pushing it.

Asking for a zapity do dah day.

JMO

And I for one can not wait...hope we all get to see her zapity do dah day!

 

[arielilane]

PHOENIX (CN) — An Arizona man who survived a shooting outside his home in the Phoenix valley testified Thursday against “Doomsday Mom” Lori Vallow Daybell, whom he says was behind the attack.

Lori Vallow Daybell, convicted in April of conspiring to murder her ex-husband in July 2019, faces one count of conspiracy to commit first-degree murder in the attempted shooting of Brandon Boudreaux in October of the same year. She said in her opening statement Thursday morning that there was never animosity between her and her former nephew-in-law.

Shooting survivor testifies in Lori Daybell murder conspiracy trial

Lori Vallow Daybell, convicted in April of conspiring to murder her ex-husband in July 2019, now faces another conspiracy charge related to the shooting of Brandon Boudreaux.

www.courthousenews.com

6.5.2025

 

[Tortoise]

Are they going to be able to show that Alex always did what Lori asked him to do, I wonder. Without the other murders coming in.

 

[Megnut]

It's a shame really. One of the reasons BB believed AC and LD were behind the assault was what happened to CV.

He didn't just invent AC and LD out of the blue! Context. Coincidence. Too much coincidence. Too much coincidence too close together. Too close together to be mere coincidence.

He should get to tell the jury why he was worried.

JMO

 

[Nikynoo]

Are they going to be able to show that Alex always did what Lori asked him to do, I wonder. Without the other murders coming in.

I don’t think they need to, they just need to show the evidence of conspiracy and they’ll do that with the electronic communications, the cctv of the lock up etc.

 

[Love Never Fails]

When LVD had her argument with the Judge - just before getting thrown out - she seemed quite enthused that she might trigger a 404 hearing - I think it was 404. She said something like well then can we stop trial and have the 404 hearing? To which the judge replied a very short one. Is this the hearing she referenced in her most recent request for a new judge - that he denied her a hearing she was entitled to?

Any thoughts on why she wants that hearing so much? Is it to say to the judge haha I got it anyway? Would she risk those past convictions coming in just to be able to say see I got my hearing? Is it just to “stop trial” and cause another delay? Why does she seem so determined to delay this trial anyway?

I guess it’s one of those things that where you can’t make sense out of a senseless narcissist like her but I thought she seemed a bit too happy about the possibility of that hearing and can’t see why.

Lori is a simple read. Any judge, any hearing. Any trial. She craves the attention. She wants Chad and other prisoners too and even the world to adore her and see how smart she is. She wants approval. Acclamation. She is infuriated that none of us see her as a goddess.

ETA: especially the judges. She wants to outsmart at least one of them. Lol

 

[Tortoise]

I don’t think they need to, they just need to show the evidence of conspiracy and they’ll do that with the electronic communications, the cctv of the lock up etc.

Oh yes, and I also forgot that she was making/answering calls with his phone for him as an alibi while he was in Arizona.

 

[Love Never Fails]

It's a shame really. One of the reasons BB believed AC and LD were behind the assault was what happened to CV.

He didn't just invent AC and LD out of the blue! Context. Coincidence. Too much coincidence. Too much coincidence too close together. Too close together to be mere coincidence.

He should get to tell the jury why he was worried.

JMO

It seems unfair to BB if he can’t get her conviction locked tight. I will be furious with the justice system. BB is a victim in so many ways!

 

[kaen]

It is amazing to me that Lori still thinks that any hearing about her character are going to come out in her favor. I am sure her advisors have let her know the slim chance. She was unsuccessful at getting the judge removed.

Her behavior toward BB was awful. But, now he is finished so I am sure that if she continues her antics she will get the hearing she seeks AND she will not prevail.

 

[Love Never Fails]

In their latest podcast episode, Lori's brother and uncle discuss a plethora of questions they each still have about Lori's and Chad's cases, knowing that some (or most) might never be answered. They are curious to know exactly what each perpetrator's role was in the murders and about the psychology behind it. They would like other cult members and associates to elaborate on their testimonies, e.g. Audrey B's account of being threatened by Lori. Adam also mentioned Zulema having an exchange with Alex about Tylee being a zombie. It's not likely that the people involved would want to talk though, especially since some of them are still under investigation.

Are they so blind they can’t see this was all Lori with the power? Read her text messages to Chad. She stated she and Melanie couldn’t wait for JJ and Tylee and Melanie’s two kids to be dead. They were tired of “fighting demons”.
Lori controlled Chad and he played right into it, giving her justification for all the murders. He liked the sex. I think he was intimidated by Lori.

Both Charles Vallow and Brandon Boudreaux had a fatal flaw of believing their wives were good women manipulated by Chad and others. Not true! Lori and Melanie are pure evil. Both should be where Chad is.