AZ - Lori Vallow Daybell charged w/ conspiring to kill ex-husband Charles Vallow and another relative, Brandon Boudreaux, Chandler, Maricopa County #5

[Izzylizzy]

@ 1:46:00
Megan explains LD's advisors who were appointed by Judge Beresky as a caution and they do not have to advise her.

 

[Wishbone]

I’m glad to know that MBP is still under investigation for the attempt on BB’s life but not sure that they can get a conviction and think if she is tried and not convicted it might be harder on the children than if she is never tried at all. So what evidence you think they can use against her?

I think it is obvious that she is the one that told LVD and/or AC what BB’s new address was but not sure that would be enough as she could say she simply shared it with them not knowing what they were planning.

They could show motive pretty easy with the life insurance and sale of the house but is motive and sharing her estranged husband’s new address enough to convict?

We know she was party to conversations about BB being dark or whatever but is that enough to say she wanted him dead let alone participated in the attempt to murder him? Can’t she just pass that off as being naive and trusting LVD’s spiritual guidance?

She sounded like someone with guilty knowledge in her interview the day after the shooting when she couldn’t remember what she did that morning but I’m not sure that raises to the level of proof.

I’d have a hard time getting past reasonable doubt with what comes to mind that we know about her. But perhaps I’ve forgotten some incriminating info along the way.

Your thoughts?

Didn't melani leave her children with Brandon for a time and move to be with lvd. Living there and not acknowledging the absence of JJ and Tylee and becoming more and more engrossed in that evil cult.

 

[Wishbone]

If choosing to defend herself in this trial does anything apart from wasting tax payers money, after the show she put on today, it has exposed to the world the true Lori in all her glory which is shocking.

There is not an iota of shame or remorse from lvd. I'm amazed at how arrogant she continues to be and her innocent attitude ignoring her horrific acts in the murders of her own children, her husband and her lover's wife and the attempted murder of Brandon. Still portraying herself to be a loving good person. But the madness doesn't even stop with her. There are still others covering for her and are most likely complicit in her devious acts. Is it some kind of demented group psychosis. The evilness defies my imagination. JMOO

 

[StarryStarryNight]

There is not an iota of shame or remorse from lvd. I'm amazed at how arrogant she continues to be and her innocent attitude ignoring her horrific acts in the murders of her own children, her husband and her lover's wife and the attempted murder of Brandon. Still portraying herself to be a loving good person. But the madness doesn't even stop with her. There are still others covering for her and are most likely complicit in her devious acts. Is it some kind of demented group psychosis. The evilness defies my imagination. JMOO

She reminds me of what Bugliosi said about Susan Atkins, one of the Manson killers, in the book Helter Skelter.
“I get the feeling that one day she’s going to start screaming, and simply never stop”.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I’m glad to know that MBP is still under investigation for the attempt on BB’s life but not sure that they can get a conviction and think if she is tried and not convicted it might be harder on the children than if she is never tried at all. So what evidence you think they can use against her?

I think it is obvious that she is the one that told LVD and/or AC what BB’s new address was but not sure that would be enough as she could say she simply shared it with them not knowing what they were planning.

They could show motive pretty easy with the life insurance and sale of the house but is motive and sharing her estranged husband’s new address enough to convict?

We know she was party to conversations about BB being dark or whatever but is that enough to say she wanted him dead let alone participated in the attempt to murder him? Can’t she just pass that off as being naive and trusting LVD’s spiritual guidance?

She sounded like someone with guilty knowledge in her interview the day after the shooting when she couldn’t remember what she did that morning but I’m not sure that raises to the level of proof.

I’d have a hard time getting past reasonable doubt with what comes to mind that we know about her. But perhaps I’ve forgotten some incriminating info along the way.

Your thoughts?

Alex was not a good shot. Period. He needed a get-away driver as he was in the back of the Jeep. Melanie was that driver. She may feel repentance but she hasn’t paid for her crime. She needs to.
Her children have their dad and that’s much better than having Melanie full time with BB dead. She’s evil.

 

[Wishbone]

Alex was not a good shot. Period. He needed a get-away driver as he was in the back of the Jeep. Melanie was that driver. She may feel repentance but she hasn’t paid for her crime. She needs to.
Her children have their dad and that’s much better than having Melanie full time with BB dead. She’s evil.

I wouldn't doubt that is the way the failed hit happened.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I heard she has to serve her time in Idaho first, but I love the thought of her battling it out with Jodi Arias for top dog.

I had to laugh. Can you imagine? Is anyone more conniving or evil than Jodi? Lori is just nuts, being a goddess and all. She would try to be sweet and manipulate the whole prison system, the way Jodi did at first. But put a knife in Jodi’s hand and watch out Lori! LVD will never serve a day in AZ after her three life sentences in Idaho, but we can dream!
I want her to know how JJ and Tylee and Tammy and Charles and Joe felt knowing she did that to them. But I feel they are in Heaven feeling great at this moment, no memory of Lori or Chad to bother them, no evil there.

For Lori’s end, it will be quite different. No one to welcome her home, no forgiveness, just pain and ugliness forever.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Alex was not a good shot. Period. He needed a get-away driver as he was in the back of the Jeep. Melanie was that driver. She may feel repentance but she hasn’t paid for her crime. She needs to.
Her children have their dad and that’s much better than having Melanie full time with BB dead. She’s evil.

BB told LE that he thought there was a driver because the jeep sped away so fast after the shot was fired.
That may have saved BB's life from a second shot?

TD is deceased , CV is deceased , AC is dead and the children are still missing.

Here's some Melani, she never comes up for air.

 

[Megnut]

I just re-watched Lori's opening mess.

Oh, the happy lilt in her voice when she describes her relationship with Brandon, I guess it's all about the love, just like angelic Lori herself.

The real consiprators are Brandon and LE, who conspired to.... explore any financial motive MB had. That's not a conspiracy, Lori. That's police work.

Is there a lime green jeep out there, with a driver, recklessly pitching paintballs and tire irons at Teslas? Today maybe. Back then? Yeah, no, Lori.

Because HE'S a good person, BB couldn't immediately grasp that he was nearly shot, that someone tried to murder him. Took him a minute to process that, more minutes to try to remember what he'd seen. He was just planning to drive into his garage, he didn't know he was going to be invited away from dead.

Lori has an interesting take on love. Eliminating everyone who is inconvenient so she can continue to be lovey?

Somebody dropped her theology on its head.

JMO

 

[Love Never Fails]

I wouldn't doubt that is the way the failed hit happened.

They escaped together, moved her belongings next day and headed to Idaho together. Looked everywhere for her children, after all the kids had value on their heads. Two were already deemed to be zombies. Obvious to me.

 

[Love Never Fails]

BB told LE that he thought there was a driver because the jeep sped away so fast after the shot was fired.
That may have saved BB's life from a second shot?

TD is deceased , CV is deceased , AC is dead and the children are still missing.

Here's some Melani, she never comes up for air.

That’s Melani. She said Lori had “no drama”. WTH?

 

[Megnut]

BB told LE that he thought there was a driver because the jeep sped away so fast after the shot was fired.
That may have saved BB's life from a second shot?

TD is deceased , CV is deceased , AC is dead and the children are still missing.

Here's some Melani, she never comes up for air.

I imagined it differently.

BB guessed two people in the car because he was shot at from the back and then the vehicle sped off (iirc). How could a shooter vault into the driver's seat that fast? He couldn't. But BB didn't know the back seat was removed. So while AC might have had driver, it's possible he was the only occupant and that's why there wasn't a second attempt, AC had to make an executive decision -- shoot or drive. He picked drive.

Did Melani seriously not have an iron alibi for that time?

JMO

 

[Izzylizzy]

I imagined it differently.

BB guessed two people in the car because he was shot at from the back and then the vehicle sped off (iirc). How could a shooter vault into the driver's seat that fast? He couldn't. But BB didn't know the back seat was removed. So while AC might have had driver, it's possible he was the only occupant and that's why there wasn't a second attempt, AC had to make an executive decision -- shoot or drive. He picked drive.

Did Melani seriously not have an iron alibi for that time?

JMO

How fast the jeep was able to drove off after the shot was fired left a strong impression on BB.
There doesn't appear to have been a pause.
I had a Jeep Sahara and the interior is very tight even with the back seat down or removed.
AC was 6'ft and 220 lbs and him getting back into the drivers seat in record time is questionable.
BB had just met Melani at the park and she took their youngest child from him so that's her alibi of not being in the Jeep which was already parked and running by BB's house.
Where was ZP.... did her location come out during the investigation?
IMO





1:34 p.m. When Brandon put his car into park, the whole window just fell and crashed onto the driveway. The window tint may have held some of the window together, but there were parts inside his car and on the driveway. Treena asks Brandon why he thought there might be two people. He says he was trying to figure out how someone could fire a gun and then quickly drive away. He was trying to come up with a logical reason as to how they could move so fast.'

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[wnk]

<snip> Did Melani seriously not have an iron alibi for that time?

Looking through Annie's timeline for those dates, a couple observations:

7/9/19 - 8:15 pm – 8:30 pm
“After this phone call Melani and Lori shared SMS messages talking about Brandon Boudreaux and his dark spirit. Lori encouraged Melani to keep [name redacted] (Melani and Brandon’s daughter) away from Brandon.”

(Will these texts be presented as evidence against LVD in this case? Or no, because the prosecution doesn't want to bring in the whole "dark spirits"/cult aspect?)

9/26/19 – 9/29/19: Melani Boudreaux visits Rexburg (source). She flew Allegiant flight 608. She departed at 12:31 pm MST and arrived 3:25 pm MDT (source).

9/30/19: Preparations are made for the Brandon Boudreaux shooting (source): 5:14 pm
Lori Vallow searched for something while logged in to her Gmail account. There are large redactions, but this whole section of the report is about preparations leading to Brandon’s shooting

9/30/19: According to Kay Woodcock, in an email to Chandler PD Det Moffat, Melani Boudreaux (now Pawlowski) stopped their divorce proceeding because she believed she wouldn’t be able to collect his life insurance if a divorce was pending (source).

10/1/19: Preparations continue for the Brandon Boudreaux shooting (source)**: 7:31 pm – 7:48 pm (MST)
Alex’s burner phone communicated with Chad’s burner phone. It also appears that Gilbert Police track Melani Boudreaux’s (now Pawlowski’s) movements at the same time as Chad and Alex’s phone activity, which begins 1 minute after Alex Cox arrived in Gilbert (source). Note: It said elsewhere in the Gilbert Police report that Melani’s cell activity is indicated in pink (source). So, if I understand this report correctly and have identified the redacted phone activity by matching it with another reference elsewhere in the FOIA docs with the exact same date and times, Gilbert Police suspected that Alex and Chad’s phone activity and Melani’s movement that night are somehow connected.

10/1/19: Brandon and Melani Boudreaux (now Pawlowski) close on the home they owned together (source).

10/2/19: Events with timestamps that transpire the day of the Brandon Boudreaux shooting (source): 9:14 am (MST)
Approximate time Brandon returns home and is shot at.

8:46 pm – 8:53 pm (MDT) // 7:46 pm – 7:53 pm (MST)
Lori’s Gmail account performs multiple searches related to the attempted shooting:

• ‘gilbert az news’
• ‘man shot in gilbert az’
• ‘man shot in gilbert az 10/2/2019’
• ‘abc news Brandon budreaux’

10:30 am (MST) // 9:30 am (MDT)
Melani Boudreaux (now Pawlowski) is interviewed by Gilbert Police (source 1 // source 2) and denies knowledge of the shooting and is unable to explain the details of her day on 10/02/2019. She confirms her relationship with Lori and Alex but denies they are close. She also does not want to share their phone numbers because she believes their phones could be tracked and listened to (source).

The police report states: “MELANI told me sometimes they went to the park, sometimes the gym and other times the mall. MELANI could not remember for certain what they did yesterday.” When asked if she communicated with anyone she referenced calls from Brandon that she didn’t answer but couldn’t remember if she spoke to anyone else that day.

(So no, definitely doesn't look like MP had any sort of alibi for that day.)

 

[Izzylizzy]

11:39 a.m. Treena Kay admits text messages between Brandon and Melani on Oct. 2. “Pulling up,” he sent. She responded, “Be there in a minute.”

11:38 a.m. Elementary kids were dropped off first. Brandon texted Melanie to let him know he was on the way to the park. His daughter got out of the car and went over to Melanie.

11:36 a.m. Brandon says the morning of Oct. 2, he woke each child up. He helped them get dressed, fed them breakfast. Two were in elementary school and another was in a pre-K. He took the kids to school. He met Melanie at a park to drop off the final child for her to take care of.

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[Izzylizzy]

I haven't listened yet.

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Rich Robertson, Brandon Boudreaux's private investigator, speaks with Nate Eaton about the case and how he helped solve it.

 

[Izzylizzy]

How fast the jeep was able to drove off after the shot was fired left a strong impression on BB.
There doesn't appear to have been a pause.
I had a Jeep Sahara and the interior is very tight even with the back seat down or removed.
AC was 6'ft and 220 lbs and him getting back into the drivers seat in record time is questionable.
BB had just met Melani at the park and she took their youngest child from him so that's her alibi of not being in the Jeep which was already parked and running by BB's house.
Where was ZP.... did her location come out during the investigation?
IMO





1:34 p.m. When Brandon put his car into park, the whole window just fell and crashed onto the driveway. The window tint may have held some of the window together, but there were parts inside his car and on the driveway. Treena asks Brandon why he thought there might be two people. He says he was trying to figure out how someone could fire a gun and then quickly drive away. He was trying to come up with a logical reason as to how they could move so fast.'

LIVE UPDATES: Brandon Boudreaux, other witnesses takes the stand on day 1 of Lori Vallow Daybell's conspiracy trial - East Idaho News

Lori Vallow Daybell is on trial in Maricopa County, Arizona, on one charge of conspiracy to commit the murder of Brandon Boudreaux, her former nephew-in-law. Nate Eaton is live in the courtroom with updates. Please excuse any typos. Times listed below are in Mountain Standard Time, so they are...

www.eastidahonews.com

I just remembered that after BB dropped off his child to Melani he went to the gym,
He testified he was there between 1 to 1.5 hrs then headed back home.
I was wrong about being certain that MB had an alibi because she picked up her child because I don't know how long AC was parked by BB's house waiting for him.
I have to look at BB's neighbors testimony and if it states what time it was when he left his home and saw the Jeep parked on the wrong side of the road, butting a white van and still running..
Appears that there could have been time for MB & AC to meet and for MB to have been in the jeep.
But there's her young child she now had with her.
A babysitter that was in the LD & CD cult?

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

I imagined it differently.

BB guessed two people in the car because he was shot at from the back and then the vehicle sped off (iirc). How could a shooter vault into the driver's seat that fast? He couldn't. But BB didn't know the back seat was removed. So while AC might have had driver, it's possible he was the only occupant and that's why there wasn't a second attempt, AC had to make an executive decision -- shoot or drive. He picked drive.

Did Melani seriously not have an iron alibi for that time?

JMO

The car was also running while parked, which would have made it that much easier for him to get going. I think it was just Alex. Melani had a kid to watch.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I imagined it differently.

BB guessed two people in the car because he was shot at from the back and then the vehicle sped off (iirc). How could a shooter vault into the driver's seat that fast? He couldn't. But BB didn't know the back seat was removed. So while AC might have had driver, it's possible he was the only occupant and that's why there wasn't a second attempt, AC had to make an executive decision -- shoot or drive. He picked drive.

Did Melani seriously not have an iron alibi for that time?

JMO

That makes sense too. I just figured Lori wanted Melanie with Alex so she would be bought into the cult. She couldn’t leave them after that.

 

[Megnut]

That makes sense too. I just figured Lori wanted Melanie with Alex so she would be bought into the cult. She couldn’t leave them after that.

MB actually had some level of love for her children which is probably what LD, who had no lasting love for her own, leveraged against MB. If she turned, she'd lose her children. What MB didn't know is, successful in eliminating BB (and cashing in on his life insurance), how quickly LD would have labeled the children as dark, properly insured of course.

LD, all about the love. Of money. Power.

Frankly I think she gets off on controlling people.

If I were the judge, I would reconsider her movement about the courtroom. Much as I'm willing to let her earn the lightning belt/bolt, I don't trust her. No one in that courtroom should relax.

JMO