AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #4

[Bobbisangel]

Well that pretty much sums it up for me. If this boy hadn't murdered his dad and Tim his attorney wouldn't be taking a plea. Regardless of what the boy said and what he didn't say when he was questioned evidence doesn't lie.
I wonder what will be involved in his plea. I guess we will find out next week.
I'm sure there will still be people that will swear this boy is innocent even though he is taking a plea and the evidence is clear as a bell. Eight, 18 or 80 you can still be a murderer.

 

[SoobsinMI]

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I agree. I think the last report came in yesterday from DPS and was turned over to the defense.

Remember this plea deal offer is not new. The DA offered it months ago and Brewer/Wood said they wanted to wait until the evidence all came back and would then consider a plea deal. Well imo, the time has come. It is in and the defense attorneys have now plead the case imo. The hearing is just a formality where the Judge can rule on it or deny the plea.

imoo

How are you sure it's the same deal?

 

[SoobsinMI]

According to FoxNews.com -

"We believe this agreement addresses any potential needs out there as well as secures he does not get messed up going to juvenile corrections, or adult prison for that manner," Brewer said.

Doesn't sound like he'll be incarcerated at all.

In late November, they wrote in court documents that a plea deal had been offered to the boy that would resolve the charges in juvenile court. That deal was contingent on the results of mental health evaluations.

Defense attorneys were considering the offer that was made before an expert they nominated indicated the boy's age and intelligence level meant he wouldn't be fit for a trial.
Two experts who evaluated the boy are still scheduled to testify on Feb. 27.

Prosecutors drafted the latest plea agreement, and Brewer said Thursday that attorneys began discussing it about a month ago. The discussions led to two delays of a hearing on a request by prosecutors to drop one of the murder charges against the boy before it ultimately was vacated Thursday.

Sounds like this is a new plea, not the same one offered in November.

Defense attorneys were in a tight spot. If Apache County Superior Court Judge Michael Roca granted the prosecution's request, it would have allowed prosecutors to refile the charge when the boy is older and try him as an adult.

Brewer said he didn't want to risk having a charge looming in the future and the boy not receiving any treatment. Brewer said attorneys were dealing with a number of unknowns in a case that didn't seem to have any guidelines.

"Sure we could have went to trial and potentially won, but that's a heck of the roll of the dice," he said.

Brewer wouldn't discuss what could happen to the boy if he accepts the plea.

Generally, a juvenile who is tried as one can face several outcomes, including being put on probation, going to a foster home or being sent to a "therapeutic home" for treatment, Brewer said.

A spokesman for the Romans family, John Andreas, hasn't objected to the boy receiving treatment, but he said Thursday that the boy should be jailed until he's at least 18.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492047,00.html

 

[oceanblueeyes]

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How are you sure it's the same deal?

Why wouldn't it be? Wood/Brewer said way back then they were going to WAIT to see what the evidence uncovered. IMO the evidence is all in so they went to the DA and asked him if he was still willing to plea the case and he told them he was imo.

The DA was willing to deal this case even before he got most of the evidence back. I think he wants a full admission by the boy and for the boy to be made to have extensive therapy. I don't know what else he will want but it is his call what he is willing to plea too and I think they all want their lives back to normal and this case resolved and over.

imoo

 

[southcitymom]

I agree. I think the last report came in yesterday from DPS and was turned over to the defense.

Remember this plea deal offer is not new. The DA offered it months ago and Brewer/Wood said they wanted to wait until the evidence all came back and would then consider a plea deal. Well imo, the time has come. It is in and the defense attorneys have now plead the case imo. The hearing is just a formality where the Judge can rule on it or deny the plea.

imoo

I agree.

 

[SoobsinMI]

Why wouldn't it be? Wood/Brewer said way back then they were going to WAIT to see what the evidence uncovered. IMO the evidence is all in so they went to the DA and asked him if he was still willing to plea the case and he told them he was imo.

imoo

Please see my second post, quoting Brewer as saying this is a SECOND plea, not the same first one.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

According to FoxNews.com -



Doesn't sound like he'll be incarcerated at all.


Sounds like this is a new plea, not the same one offered in November.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492047,00.html

Sounds like typical defense speakisms to me.

I think the defense would have loved to see him walk free and get him counseling out from under the jurisdiction of the court. He may be out and about but imo the court will still be in control of him and what he must do.

It was Carylon all along that said the defendant needed extensive mental treatment and he was afraid if he was ruled incompetent that would never come to pass.

Now more than ever I would love to see how the experts assessed this boy and what they found.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Please see my second post, quoting Brewer as saying this is a SECOND plea, not the same first one.

As long as he pleads guilty even to a lessor charge, I don't really care what happens to him in the future. He doesn't live in my state nor does his mother.

imo

 

[SoobsinMI]

Sounds like typical defense speakisms to me.

What does? The part about it being a new plea deal? I disagree.

Are you suggesting that the defense has no interest in having the child in therapy? Wasn't he the one who offered to pay for the child's therapy while incarcerated, as opposed to the court?

 

[Razzle]

Can he plea no contest?
Or can that only be plead for things like traffic tickets?


My gut is saying that this boy did not do this. I could be wrong of course.

And I understand that a boy this age can kill. I dated a guy in college who had shot and killed his stepfather at the age of 8. He was being sexually abused and beaten by the man. He was really an emotional wreck from it as an adult. I don;t think that he served any jail time but he did spend a few years in mental health facilities and group homes/halfway houses.

I am really interested to see what happens in this case.
I really feel bad for this boy. He must have had a darn good motive if he did do this.

IMOO

 

[SoobsinMI]

As long as he pleads guilty even to a lessor charge, I don't really care what happens to him in the future. He doesn't live in my state nor does his mother.

imo

LOL....okay.

 

[Ruflossn]

Hello All~
Is there any links that show the autopsy results of the 2 deceased men?

Also, any direct links that show the forensics / evidence?

I really appreciate any help.

Flossie

 

[Openmind]

He must have had a darn good motive if he did do this.

I completely agree with that. If he did this, something was seriously amiss in this home.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hello All~
Is there any links that show the autopsy results of the 2 deceased men?

Also, any direct links that show the forensics / evidence?

I really appreciate any help.

Flossie

Autopsies.

http://www.november2008stjohnsdoubl...cumentLibraryManager/upload/romeroautopsy.pdf

http://www.november2008stjohnsdoubl...cumentLibraryManager/upload/romeroautopsy.pdf

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I completely agree with that. If he did this, something was seriously amiss in this home.

Or seriously amiss with him.

imo

 

[Ruflossn]

Autopsies.

http://www.november2008stjohnsdoubl...cumentLibraryManager/upload/romeroautopsy.pdf

http://www.november2008stjohnsdoubl...cumentLibraryManager/upload/romeroautopsy.pdf

imo

Thank-you Ocean!!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

What does? The part about it being a new plea deal? I disagree.

Are you suggesting that the defense has no interest in having the child in therapy? Wasn't he the one who offered to pay for the child's therapy while incarcerated, as opposed to the court?

I don't think the court opposed it. The defense had to keep redoing his motion and when he got it right, Roca approved it.

Incarcerated treatment is one thing. Out and about is another. That was the concern of the DA from very early on if he was just released.

imoo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Can he plea no contest?
Or can that only be plead for things like traffic tickets?


He must have had a darn good motive if he did do this.

IMOO

I don't think the DA will accept a plea of no contest.

LOL Yes, all killers have their darn good reasons, so they think, when they commit murder. Most of the time it turns out to be as senseless as the murders themselves.

Just read about a kid that stabbed his stepfather to death because he scolded him for not doing his homework.

imo

 

[Fairy1]

I'm going to withhold my opinion on the plea deal until we actually hear the details. I can see the def taking it to avoid the ordeal of a trial for a child who, by all accounts, is already traumatized. Especially if part of the deal is to have the record expunged at some point. Then again, the evidence may point to the fact that he is guilty. Then again, maybe the evidence is inconclusive and would force a trial. IDK.

I sure wish the canvassing reports were easier to read! I think there may be info in some of them that might shed some light here. But the Tim Romans info was very enlightening. He (and his wife!) were no strangers to LE. This guy was no saint. I am curious as to what happened with his drug charges in 2007. Possession with intent to distribute is no small charge. Not to mention resisting arrest., breaking into his truck, etc. WTH?

 

[Trino]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,492047,00.html

Note the comment about the boy's intelligence not allowing him to be fit for a trial. Again, I wonder if he was in a special ed program. There has been no comment about his intelligence until this one. This might also account for the reason that VR asked his priest if he thought the boy should have a gun. I thought this discussion with a priest was strange.