AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #5

[colette]

Those are very good questions Trino. I worry about a young daughter living with a convicted double premeditated murderer.

 

[fran]

I wonder exactly what you've expressed. WHERE and WHO are Eryn's friends? I've heard absolutely no mention of anyone. WHERE and WHO are her relatives that are supporting her? Has the father of her daughter supported her? Does she have custody or share custody with him? What does he think about a possible murderer sharing a home with his daughter?

I believe there's a statement in all of the documents and news articles where-by the father of her daughter talked about the boy and had only nice things to say about him.

Eryn does have friends supporting her. Locals know.

IIRC, Eryn's mom lives in the other state where Eryn was residing? I could be wrong.

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

Those are very good questions Trino. I worry about a young daughter living with a convicted double premeditated murderer.

Perhaps you should read the plea deal. The child's plea was for Tim only.

JMHO
fran

 

[southcitymom]

Young and poor is no excuse. I DO KNOW I would NEVER leave my child. I would live in a cardboard box under a bridge before I'd leave the state and not see him.

Where is Eryn's support system? Where's her family and friends? Something very fishy about her history. Maybe she has NO IDEA how to be a parent ....Where's HER parents? There seems to be nothing indicating she can provide any sort of stability for her son. Apparently, the father of her daughter feels the same way.

My son is adopted, and I would never abandon him. Being a mother involves so much more than giving birth............

I really respect your commitment to parenting. I do want to say that sometimes the best thing a parent can do for a child is NOT raise that child. I do not know what brought Eryn to her circumstance, but last night I was talking to a good friend of mine who gave his daughter up for adoption 24 years ago.

He and the child's mother were heroin addicts - he was getting clean in another state and the child's mother called to tell him she was putting the child up for adoption. (the mother wound up dying of an overdose several months after this phone call). My friend made the trip to the girl's adoption hearing and met the family who wanted to adopt his infant daughter. He badly wanted to keep his daughter, but - with just 9 months clean - he did not have anything to offer her and the other family did. He said it was the hardest decision he ever made, but he tried to put his child's best interest first.

His daughter is now a grown woman, doing very well in her life, and he and she have reconnected and have a terrific relationship. There is no doubt in my mind that back when he had to make that hard decision, he loved his daughter more than anything in the world. That love is the reason he let her go.

 

[southcitymom]

This is one of my biggest pet peeves. I don't care WHAT your ex has done to YOU, there is NO reason to ever badmouth a child's parent in front of them. And so many people will NEVER get how much damage they do to children, while doing this. I've always said that those who do this, hate their ex more than they love their child.

Mine too, because I had one parent who did this following the divorce. To this day, it remains one of the biggest sorrows in my adult heart. It's a brutal thing to do to a child.

 

[southcitymom]

I guess that's part of the problem with our society. When a child does anything bad, they immediately blame the mom. I don't believe it's as easy as that.....

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Excellent post, fran and this first part really speaks to me. It just isn't black and white. I know some terrific parents whose children have turned out poorly and some terrible parents whose children have turned out well.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Mine too, because I had one parent who did this following the divorce. To this day, it remains one of the biggest sorrows in my adult heart. It's a brutal thing to do to a child.

ITA! I have seen children be put through hell just trying to jump through the right hoop when their parents divorce.

It becomes nothing about the children but all about adult petty power control by adults who act much more immature than the children. One talking pure trash about the other parent, the child loves dearly and prodding the children for information on their new step mother or step father. Even conveying to their own children that they don't like the ex anymore or the step parent, leaving the child so afraid to show any affection for them in fear that they HAVE to choose one or the other.

Love comes in all shapes, sizes. I have seen some outstanding bio mothers and fathers and I have seen some outstanding step moms/dads, whom the children learn to love as much as if they were their own mother or father. A child is much better off having two sets of loving parents there for them. Doubling up on love felt in the heart of a child, will never be a bad thing.

I sometimes think this is why I see more and more children today closer to their step parent because their own bio parent but so much pressure on them, that it made them turn to the one that reached out with an honest heart and loved them through it all, no matter how bad the other parent talked about them or tried to put them down in front of the child.

imo

 

[colette]

Perhaps you should read the plea deal. The child's plea was for Tim only.

JMHO
fran

OK pick every word, but the kid is a premeditated double murderer and I would worry about any other young child in a home with him.

 

[Fairy1]

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Excellent post, fran and this first part really speaks to me. It just isn't black and white. I know some terrific parents whose children have turned out poorly and some terrible parents whose children have turned out well.

Oh - SCM - you are always the voice of reason! It's such a travesty when children are caught in the middle of a contentious situation. But it happens all the time, sadly, and not all kids kill their parents.

In this particular case, I'm not able to gauge Eryn's involvement in CR's life, nor do I know what led to the custody arrangement. I suppose it's possible that Vincent did not want her to see their child. But again, don't know. In any case, she had been in his life recently and I do feel that she must have been trying to be a mother figure for CR. Vincent and Eryn were both very young when they had CR. There are many young parents who really don't know how to parent properly. We've all seen what can happen under those circumstances. Then again, there are plenty of older parents who aren't good parents. I guess it just depends on the situation.

 

[mrrogers]

Thank you for the new thread, Salem.

Maybe there will be some news tomorrow. They're SUPPOSED to have the sentencing hearing. But I'm not counting on that happening.

The def put in for an expert for presentence evaluation, but the judge hasn't responded. Now that they've stopped the clock, they'll just take their sweet time. They probably think if they delay long enough, no one will be looking.

I don't believe they could have messed up this case any more if they tried.:crazy:

JMHO
fran

it like little haus and big halsey if you remember the movie"i went faster than i ever did before and i fell down, i think that pretty well describes this case
now hes got to see 2 more shrinks can you imagine how much money theyve spent on thisa trial before they investiagate cant fine anything so 16 days later the call the az dept of opublic safety to help. kind of slow
i got a feeling that the judge is going thru the motions or a real trial making it so it will be unappealable and give the kid a sentence of time served
or some such thing, does any of you remember the case where a husband shot his wifes boyfriend and was sentenced to time serverd (47 days) and 10 years probation. i think they did the right thing in that case even tho personally i could almost see second degree murder.
what the hubby sez happened is he got his rifle out of his truck and stuck it inside the window of the car the boyfriend was siting to scare him. a struggle began and the boyfriend grabbed the barrel of the gun and the husband alleges he just pulled so hard it went off. well the first thing is he shouldnt have had his finger on trigger but i hate to say he got the appropriate sentenc, actually he could have waited till they left and change to locks
anyway this case against cr is crazy i donrt knoqw where everyohne is at on this but cr has been on furlough and the po was hassling the mom about where se was living so they finally found a place ,now there sitting waiting for the tests and the sentencing, i thought it was a done deal when he signed the agreement so the kid will have been examined by 4 pschologist that is just insane. considering the cooerced investitgation is out the gun use to shoot 2 shots was crs gun wiped down so theyre trying to identify the messed up finger prints lelft and have asked for a 3rd set of finger prints.
2 guys and 2 diffent bullets than the rest 1 in each man. time was shot more than vince.nicole had asked a guy to buy her a box of ammo a month before the murders
STEP MOM ROLLS JEEP LAST FRIDAY NITE
The Department of Public Safety says it happened on Friday night on US 191 at Milepost 341.8

They say her Jeep Wrangler rolled over and that according to dispatch she was alone in the car.

She is suffering from severe head and back injuries and was flown to Flagstaff Medical Center (current condition unknown due to federal regulations guaranteeing privacy for patients' and their medical condition)

They are investigating if she was impaired.

Cause of crash unknown.
UPDATE TODAY
shes gonna be in for a long recuperation will be in hospital a long time
thats the status on tiffanys acicident
yep i think the best thing is turn in all the attys to the state bar and the judge to board of judical conduct.
im beginning to thing im n the twilight zone when i try to figure on this
case

 

[mrrogers]

OK pick every word, but the kid is a premeditated double murderer and I would worry about any other young child in a home with him.

when you went to school did you ever read the constitution or bill of rights
or the premise of the american legal system is "innocent until proven guilty
i would have let him and his mom live here but i have my hunting rifles so that screwed it up
tell me what evidence they have that is creditable to lead you to that conclusion. this kid has never had trouble in school or anywhre
theres no fingerprints
theres nothing placing him at the scene at that time
theres nothing at all to prove him guilty
he pled out so he could be with his mom is what he told her

 

[shadowraiths]

I'm not going to pretend to know the circumstances of Eryn loosing custody. It's not fair to her or the child.

In an early article it was mentioned that she lost custody due to her smoking, and the dad claiming he was worried about second had smoke. That seemed quite odd to me, since his boarder was found with a pack of cigarettes on him. Just sayin...

 

[Linda7NJ]

I really respect your commitment to parenting. I do want to say that sometimes the best thing a parent can do for a child is NOT raise that child. I do not know what brought Eryn to her circumstance, but last night I was talking to a good friend of mine who gave his daughter up for adoption 24 years ago.

He and the child's mother were heroin addicts - he was getting clean in another state and the child's mother called to tell him she was putting the child up for adoption. (the mother wound up dying of an overdose several months after this phone call). My friend made the trip to the girl's adoption hearing and met the family who wanted to adopt his infant daughter. He badly wanted to keep his daughter, but - with just 9 months clean - he did not have anything to offer her and the other family did. He said it was the hardest decision he ever made, but he tried to put his child's best interest first.

His daughter is now a grown woman, doing very well in her life, and he and she have reconnected and have a terrific relationship. There is no doubt in my mind that back when he had to make that hard decision, he loved his daughter more than anything in the world. That love is the reason he let her go.

I agree with everything you've said, sometimes it is best to give a child up for adoption. That is unselfish. People that give up children for adoption do not try to come back into their life when the child is 8 years old.

BUT in this case, Eryn basically abandoned her child, it was IMO selfish to blow back into his life.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

In an early article it was mentioned that she lost custody due to her smoking, and the dad claiming he was worried about second had smoke. That seemed quite odd to me, since his boarder was found with a pack of cigarettes on him. Just sayin...

Yes, it seems the boy was a preemie and had lung problems. Articles have also said that no smoking was allowed in the Romero home. I am sure when Tim, smoked it was outside of the home, near the porch, deck, in his truck, or even out back, etc.

Vinnie also stated to the Judge in the custody papers that when she had visits with the boy she took him to a small camper that had no running water or electricity. He said the boy would come back home, sick and hacking. I thought about that when I heard his interview. He was hacking and his mother had visited him the weekend prior. It makes me wonder if she smokes around him.

Vinnie also stated in the court papers that Eryn had not seen her son but a total of 2 weeks in one and a half years.

So I think it was much more than just about smoking around him. I cant remember where I read it now but drugs or alcohol problems were also mentioned.


imoo

 

[Linda7NJ]

In an early article it was mentioned that she lost custody due to her smoking, and the dad claiming he was worried about second had smoke. That seemed quite odd to me, since his boarder was found with a pack of cigarettes on him. Just sayin...

Tim was there 3 days a week and apparently spent much time away from the home. It doesn't seem likely that Vince would have allowed him to smoke inside the house.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wow! tough crowd.

I would hope that an adoptive parent would not badmouth the bio mom to their child. What a guilt trip that COULD cause the child to walk through life. I believe that most adoptive parents would only be thankful for the gift of their child and let the child find out later,...IF they wanted to, the circumstance of the adoption,.........LATER, when they're more equipped to handle a 'grown up' type decision and situation.

In my son's case, he wasn't "given up", he was removed for extreme medical neglect at the age of 3 weeks. His birth mother was young and poor and offered every opportunity to come into care with her son ( she waqs a minor). She chose not to. She was given THREE and a HALF YEARS to get her act together before her rights were terminated. In all that time, she had completed NOTHING on her case plan, not a single thing. She did during that time manage to have another baby, that was also taken and placed in foster care and get herself pregnant for a 3rd time.

I have never once said a single negative word about her to him ever. He only was told she loved him but couldn't take care of him. He's fine with that.

 

[Linda7NJ]

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Cause of crash unknown.
UPDATE TODAY
shes gonna be in for a long recuperation will be in hospital a long time
thats the status on tiffanys acicident
yep i think the best thing is turn in all the attys to the state bar and the judge to board of judical conduct.
im beginning to thing im n the twilight zone when i try to figure on this
case

It's absolutely TRAGIC how many lives this little boy has managed to totally destroy!!! imo

 

[Linda7NJ]

OK pick every word, but the kid is a premeditated double murderer and I would worry about any other young child in a home with him.

Yeah....and if I was Eryn, I'd sleep with one eye open!

 

[fran]

Yes, it seems the boy was a preemie and had lung problems. Articles have also said that no smoking was allowed in the Romero home. I am sure when Tim, smoked it was outside of the home, near the porch, deck, in his truck, or even out back, etc.

Vinnie also stated to the Judge in the custody papers that when she had visits with the boy she took him to a small camper that had no running water or electricity. He said the boy would come back home, sick and hacking. I thought about that when I heard his interview. He was hacking and his mother had visited him the weekend prior. It makes me wonder if she smokes around him.

Vinnie also stated in the court papers that Eryn had not seen her son but a total of 2 weeks in one and a half years.

So I think it was much more than just about smoking around him. I cant remember where I read it now but drugs or alcohol problems were also mentioned.


imoo

It was one of the detectives that was hacking during the boy's interrogation. You just need to watch the video. Her cough, on a couple of instances, made it impossible to hear the child's words. I don't recall hearing the boy cough once.

Vince filed a police report because he was afraid Eryn was going to kidnap the boy and he had the child carry a cell phone just in case. It appears to me the reason she didn't see the boy too often was because the dad gave her grief each time.

Do you have a link to possible drug or alcohol problems?...... or are you just making it up?

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

It's absolutely TRAGIC how many lives this little boy has managed to totally destroy!!! imo

So now you're blaming the boy for his step mom's car accident and injuries? :doh:

OR, the possibility that the legal beagles involved in this case, COULD be {investigated}?

{puzzled}
fran