AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #5

[twinkiesmom]

Originally Posted by fran
Wow! tough crowd.

I would hope that an adoptive parent would not badmouth the bio mom to their child. What a guilt trip that COULD cause the child to walk through life. I believe that most adoptive parents would only be thankful for the gift of their child and let the child find out later,...IF they wanted to, the circumstance of the adoption,.........LATER, when they're more equipped to handle a 'grown up' type decision and situation.


Every situation's different. In my kids' cases, their birthmom drank during pregnancy, and I let the kids know about this when they were 9 or 10 years old. My kids felt their personal burden relieved when this was revealed to them...They blamed themselves for their learning difficulties.

It does no good to paint an overly rosy view of a fairy godmother-type birthmom when the after effects of neglect and abuse is the truth they live with every day.

 

[SoobsinMI]

It's absolutely TRAGIC how many lives this little boy has managed to totally destroy!!! imo

Wait a minute...."the boy" is responsible for a car accident????

 

[SewingDeb]

Is it confirmed Tiffany was in an accident? I haven't been able to find any report of it at all.

Stepmom of boy in St. Johns murder case hurt in accident

DPS announced Tuesday night that the stepmother of the St. Johns boy accused of killing two men, including his father, was seriously hurt due to an accident that occurred Friday night.

DPS said Tiffany Devall-Romero's green Jeep Wrangler rolled over shortly before 10:30 p.m. on northbound US 91 at Milepost 341.8, near Sanford.

According to dispatch operators, Devall-Romero was the only person in the Jeep and it was a single vehicle accident.

She was airlifted to Flagstaff Medical Center where she's being treated for severe head and neck injuries, according to DPS.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/n...rder-case-hurt-in/Z7UapuR_XE6ZIYAzpvt6KQ.cspx

 

[Linda7NJ]

So now you're blaming the boy for his step mom's car accident and injuries? :doh:

OR, the possibility that the legal beagles involved in this case, COULD be {investigated}?

{puzzled}
fran

Yes, I am blaming him. I thought I had made myself clear. If he didn't brutally murder two people maybe should wouldn't have been sleep deprived from nightmares and the inability to be able to sleep in her own bed!

imo

 

[southcitymom]

In an early article it was mentioned that she lost custody due to her smoking, and the dad claiming he was worried about second had smoke. That seemed quite odd to me, since his boarder was found with a pack of cigarettes on him. Just sayin...

Wow - that IS strange! Come to think of it, I may have read something like that - maybe the child had asthma. Still, I am hard-pressed to think a custody issue would be decided based only on smoking.

 

[southcitymom]

Yes, it seems the boy was a preemie and had lung problems. Articles have also said that no smoking was allowed in the Romero home. I am sure when Tim, smoked it was outside of the home, near the porch, deck, in his truck, or even out back, etc.

Vinnie also stated to the Judge in the custody papers that when she had visits with the boy she took him to a small camper that had no running water or electricity. He said the boy would come back home, sick and hacking. I thought about that when I heard his interview. He was hacking and his mother had visited him the weekend prior. It makes me wonder if she smokes around him.

Vinnie also stated in the court papers that Eryn had not seen her son but a total of 2 weeks in one and a half years.

So I think it was much more than just about smoking around him. I cant remember where I read it now but drugs or alcohol problems were also mentioned.


imoo

Yep - now I am remembering reading some of this information. Thanks for refreshing my memory.

 

[OrdinaryLife]

It's absolutely TRAGIC how many lives this little boy has managed to totally destroy!!! imo

Whereas this child was not in this car, let alone driving it, this statement is completely wrong and totally unfair. For every single person regarding this case. Good grief...

imho

 

[OrdinaryLife]

Yes, I am blaming him. I thought I had made myself clear. If he didn't brutally murder two people maybe should wouldn't have been sleep deprived from nightmares and the inability to be able to sleep in her own bed!

imo

There is absolutely nothing here save for a very large assumption and an opinion. Nothing, save for the typed of accident it was and some injury reports, has been released. Major stretch here. Major.

imho

 

[fran]

Yes, I am blaming him. I thought I had made myself clear. If he didn't brutally murder two people maybe should wouldn't have been sleep deprived from nightmares and the inability to be able to sleep in her own bed!

imo

LOL, yeah, I've seen that 'claim' that she's having nightmares and sleep deprived, yadda, yadda, yadda. I believe it was on another website by an anonymous blogger and also by an anonymous blogger on the newspaper website where the article was. That was just before they gave an address of a bank to send donations.

Thanks for the rumor.

fran

 

[Linda7NJ]

There is absolutely nothing here save for a very large assumption and an opinion. Nothing, save for the typed of accident it was and some injury reports, has been released. Major stretch here. Major.

imho

I based my opinion on information I received from a source in St. John's that spoke with Tiffany a day or two before the accident and I knew about the accident the day after. I consider this source reliable. It's my opinion, and I am sticking by it.

 

[fran]

Wow - that IS strange! Come to think of it, I may have read something like that - maybe the child had asthma. Still, I am hard-pressed to think a custody issue would be decided based only on smoking.

That's only a rumor that the child custody issue was decided partly because of the 'smoking' issue. LOL, if a judge would decide because of tobacco usage, he would have denied Vince, as he chewed. You can see on the police reports he had chew in his pockets.

Nah, that was part of the 'kitchen sink' stuff Vince threw in when he was trying to get custody away from the mom. He was probably trying to limit her visitation too, as he did file a police report that he feared she would kidnap the child.

This is all part of the game fueding parents play. Mind games. Control.:banghead:

I believe he ultimately won custody because I don't believe Eryn showed up for the hearing. I think it was when she was out of state.

I've seen that happen many times too.

JMHO
fran

 

[Linda7NJ]

LOL, yeah, I've seen that 'claim' that she's having nightmares and sleep deprived, yadda, yadda, yadda. I believe it was on another website by an anonymous blogger and also by an anonymous blogger on the newspaper website where the article was. That was just before they gave an address of a bank to send donations.

Thanks for the rumor.

fran

You're welcome!

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's only a rumor that the child custody issue was decided partly because of the 'smoking' issue. LOL, if a judge would decide because of tobacco usage, he would have denied Vince, as he chewed. You can see on the police reports he had chew in his pockets.

Nah, that was part of the 'kitchen sink' stuff Vince threw in when he was trying to get custody away from the mom. He was probably trying to limit her visitation too, as he did file a police report that he feared she would kidnap the child.

This is all part of the game fueding parents play. Mind games. Control.:banghead:

I believe he ultimately won custody because I don't believe Eryn showed up for the hearing. I think it was when she was out of state.

I've seen that happen many times too.

JMHO
fran

Second hand chewing????? roflmao! Smoking & Chewing are two completely different things. There are no dangers when chewing near a baby.

 

[colette]

I would say a mother who continues to smoke around a premature infant does not have his best interests in mind. To some it may seem like a small thing but premmies lungs are underdeveloped and don't need cyanide gas, second hand smoke in their lungs.

 

[fran]

There's no proof that the mother smokes around the child. It's just rumor.

I believe the father's original complaint was that Eryn's b/f blew smoke in the child's ear to treat an ear-ache. I've heard it's an old wives-tale remedy.

This is how 'rumors' get started. It's repeated enough times, it's taken as fact. :doh:

JMHO
fran

 

[colette]

"I am told I don't have the right to make her take him to church on Sundays or the right to tell her not to smoke around him. I might not have that right, but I think that is my responsibility."

He writes that his son was a “preemie” with underdeveloped lungs and every time he visits his mom he comes home hacking.

From the court papers... it sure sounds like she was exposing him to smoke.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/...11108-divorce-details-2x-murde.1a37a0964.html

 

[southcitymom]

I just don't know that there's enough info to call Eryn or CR's father "bad" parents. Obviously, they had issues and I am sure some of those issues affected their son. But I can't throw stones at either parent.

One of the reasons is that I always come back to the fact that most children who suffer terrible or traumatic things in childhood don't come to this end at the age of 8 - shooting a parent and another man to death. (MOO, fran - I know you and others have doubts!). So, something deeper is going on with this child, IMHO. This child is FAR outside the bounds of normal.

That doesn't take away my hope for him - I still have lots of that. I have tried to put myself in Eryn's skin numerous times - in terms of "would I want this child in my home." That is a superhard question for me to answer. My own 8 year old - honestly, if he shot two men in cold blood - I would want him back with me. Now - a child I had given up custody on (for whatever reason) - I don't know. It's hard for me to put myself in Eryn's shoes, but I wish her all sorts of strength and wisdom.

 

[mrrogers]

It's absolutely TRAGIC how many lives this little boy has managed to totally destroy!!! imo

i cant see how hes destroyed anyones life. hes the one that got railroaded.
as long as this mess has gone on there hasnt been anything that came
close as being evidence against him
the police cooerced his confession that wasnt allowed in at the prelimenary
hearing
neckle lied about her training as a forensic child investigator
stated im waiting on that but have taken a lot of classes
avila allegedly in the past has failed to serve 22 supeonas in one
case and is primarily commander over a jail big deal
the kid and his family is the ones that have suffered
unless they sentence him to time served or drop the charges
there will be an appeal probably because theres no evidence that
makes him even a person of interest
if there is id like to know what it is because ihavent seen it yet
its not on the apache county server where you have to get permission to look at
the only maybe his evidence is a couple of screwed up finger prints on his gun which had been wiped down so they asked for a 3 rd set of fingerprints
geez.there are alot of people backing him not just in st johns but from all over
like i said earlier im looking into turning in the whole bunch to azpost so maybe they ll lose their police accrediation
turning the attys in to the state bar
and the judge into the board of judical conduct
maybe they can figure it

 

[mrrogers]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Formynextnovel
As a teacher, and as a student, I am entirely uncomfortable with the idea that ANYONE, including an officer or another professor, might have a fire arm on their person in a space where the purpose should be to facilitate learning, to challenge each other's assumptions, and to encourage each other to take risks. An implication that there is an emminant threat to our lives or to our bodies is not condusive to creating an environment where ideas can be fully expressed, explored, or communicated.

Persoanlly, I would rather die shot with a gun that was never allowed into the classroom than teach to students who are allowed to carry concealed weapons, and who know I am allowed to do so.



My sister-in-law, who I love dearly, was in that building, and hustled to the drill field that day. She lost several of her favorite TA's and many of her friends. I was present at her graduation when they acknowledged all those in her class who would have graduated too, who instead were murdered in a classroom. In many instances such as this, you may hear of teachers who offer up their lives, acting as shields to protect their students. I pray I would do so myself, or will do so, should I be called, and would expect the majority of those fine souls who gave their lives agree with my assertion.

My sister-in-law may hold a differing opinion. I don't know, as she still can't talk about what she heard and saw that day. But for my own standard of what a classroom, of what an education ought to be, my conviction still stands, and will not be shaken or cajoled by fear for my own, my single and, god-willing, lesson-teaching life.

Perhaps this is for another thread. The connection I mean to draw is this: I do not put it past any young person, at any age, this day and age, to premeditate and follow through with murder. From here on out, expect the next new case you see to be unheard of and unprecidented. We had better learn to deal.

My mother, a middle school teacher at a private school (the best and most loved teacher I know), had to teach in vague fear for years to a class that included a student who would regularly draw pictures of his teacher being axed or shot to death, a student who the administration could never quite pin down with a specific enough offense to expel, of whom other students claimed, said things like, "I'm going to kill you," on the playground. I don't want to know where that grown child is today.

I apologize that my dyslexia and lack of a good home computer to download spellcheck software for this blog weakens my comments/arguments. I know it does, as I tell my students it does.

But hey, I'm not turning this in for you to grade.

you dont have to apologize for anything nobody is perfect

 

[mrrogers]

"I am told I don't have the right to make her take him to church on Sundays or the right to tell her not to smoke around him. I might not have that right, but I think that is my responsibility."

He writes that his son was a “preemie” with underdeveloped lungs and every time he visits his mom he comes home hacking.

From the court papers... it sure sounds like she was exposing him to smoke.

http://www.azfamily.com/news/local/...11108-divorce-details-2x-murde.1a37a0964.html

theres got to be more than whats on that site . its as if vincent was grasping at straws
eryn does not stand alone now. there are a great many who are supporting her in various ways