AZ - Timothy Romans, 39, & Vincent Romero, 29, slain, St Johns, 5 Nov 2008 - #5

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  • #721
That is
Interesting information.

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/behavior-problems-in-children.html

Children are treated, do recover, or learn to manage their behavior problems everyday. Fortunately, most of society do not determine so soon a life is beyond repair and discard them as broken.


http://www.4therapy.com/consumer/li...ildren+with+Emotional+and+Behavioral+Problems

More:

http://childparenting.about.com/cs/disorders/a/behaviordisorde.htm

http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/publications/allpubs/CA-0006/default.asp

Interesting fact:


That is interesting but it does not tell us what this defendant's conduct disorders are. Some conduct disorders are not treatable or curable.

With even the local mental health department not wanting to be involved it makes me feel they do not think it is mental illness or emotional problems.

I remember in the Chris Pittman case when he murdered both of his grandparents at 12 years old he also was diagnoised to have a conduct disorder. They had three forensic psychiatrists testify. One for the state, one for the defense and one was appointed by the court. Both the State and court appointed psychiatrists deemed CP as a fledging sociopath and was not treatable.

While all children misbehave from time to time this kid in this case is very very different, imo. Going to this extreme and committing such extreme violence makes him unlike "most" other children who misbehave at times imo.

imo
 
  • #722
Wonder away... she has done quite well imo. The boy hasn't caused any problems and she has had him for a good while. All the time not having any money, can't get knew job, can't take him ANYWHERE public... what a tough position to be put in. The 'issues' that caused this tragedy in the first place are what needs to be looked over thoroughly... not covered up. Still no comments about the triple murderer in custody now from the StJohns area...
interesting.
 
  • #723
That is


That is interesting but it does not tell us what this defendant's conduct disorders are. Some conduct disorders are not treatable or curable.

With even the local mental health department not wanting to be involved it makes me feel they do not think it is mental illness or emotional problems.

I remember in the Chris Pittman case when he murdered both of his grandparents at 12 years old he also was diagnoised to have a conduct disorder. They had three forensic psychiatrists testify. One for the state, one for the defense and one was appointed by the court. Both the State and court appointed psychiatrists deemed CP as a fledging sociopath and was not treatable.

While all children misbehave from time to time this kid in this case is very very different, imo. Going to this extreme and committing such extreme violence makes him unlike "most" other children who misbehave at times imo.

imo

To the best of my knowledge, none of us know this child's conduct disorder. Everything is just speculation on our part, and we do not have all the details or facts of the case.

This site had a long list of disorders and they are not about your garden variety of typical childhood misbehaviors.

http://mentalhealth.samhsa.gov/publications/allpubs/CA-0006/default.asp

Absolutely true, this is a most unique case and consequently it will take more consideration and care to deteremine his fate. His treatment will take time and money no matter what they decide. They might as well start looking for funding. One thing, they will eventually have to make a decision.
 
  • #724
Still not right to stomp on the boys civil rights and keep both him and his mom in limbo for sooooo long.
 
  • #725
Still no comments about the triple murderer in custody now from the StJohns area...
interesting.


Now St. Johns, called “The Town of Friendly Neighbors” on its official Web site, is in the spotlight again. This time, it’s for the confession of a 21-year-old man who is being charged in the murders of three local people and who may be one of the youngest serial killers in the history of the United States

Odd, but this is all I can find about this crime. That would make six murders for a population of 3,865 in one year.

http://www.gallupindependent.com/2009/10October/100109serialkiller.html

Is there a link to more infromation?
 
  • #726
Still not right to stomp on the boys civil rights and keep both him and his mom in limbo for so long.


It's not right that two men are dead.

Limbo? Hasn't he been living with his mother? Attending school at the detention center? Isn't he around his grandparents?

What do you believe should be done with him? Send him on his merry way with no intensive therapy and everyone else should just cross their fingers and pray?
 
  • #727
  • #728
It's not right that two men are dead.

Limbo? Hasn't he been living with his mother? Attending school at the detention center? Isn't he around his grandparents?

What do you believe should be done with him? Send him on his merry way with no intensive therapy and everyone else should just cross their fingers and pray?

Well that is what has been done so far: send an accused double murderer to live with his mom (no worries for her safety?). No treatment (he needs this whether guilty or not). The detention schooling does NOT give him credits for attending school (how is that good in any way?). It does seem that the prosecution IS crossing their fingers and hoping this all just goes away, since they don't really have a case and have no logical ideas about what to do next.
 
  • #729
Thanks. That would be five murders including the last -- the sixteen year old and the others having been previously murdered. Food for thought -- but, personally, I don't think this man is connected to the murders of Vincent and Tim. I think he would have confessed when he told about the other murders, but it is a twisted world we live in.


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/10/02/20091002stjohns.html
 
  • #730
Still interesting he says he was helping rid society of problems as he saw them.

Tim- known drug dealer in the past, asked another woman to marry him although already married.

Vince- had he heard something of possible abuse issues in that small town???
Also he may have known Tiffany and possibly Vince, but nothing verified.

Use of .22 in a couple of killings, with shots to the head.

Very interesting indeed.
 
  • #731
CONVICTED SERIAL KILLER...........William Inmon.....................vs Tim Romans & Vince Romero Murder (victims) case, St. Johns, Arizona

They say there is no coincidence when it comes to murder. William Inmon has confessed and been found guilty of three murders in and around St. Johns, Arizona, during the time period of April 2007 thru August 2009. Coincidentally, Tim Romans and Vince Romero were killed in a double slaying, in St. Johns, Arizona, in November 2008, in the midst of this self-proclaimed serial killer's crime spree. Although Vince's young son has been arrested and given a plea deal in exchange for admitting he was 'responsible for Tim's death,' there are still MANY case watchers that have their doubts that justice has been served in that case.

Let's do some comparison of these three + two murders, all in the small town of St. Johns. You decide if there's REASONABLE DOUBT.


Similarities:

1. Two victims were shot with 22 rifle....vs......Romero/Romans shot with 22 rifle
2. Two vicitms shot with 22 rifle were shot multiple times.......vs........Romero/Romans shot multiple times with 22 rifle
3. At least two of the three victims were shot in the head...........vs..........Romero/Romans both shot in the head
4. Possible robbery motive...........vs............possible robbery (burglary) motive
5. Possible guns motive...........vs.............possible guns motive (note, per reports (rumor) guns were not under bed as usual, but laying by window or door, indicating possibly being removed)
6. Possible drug connection...........vs...........possible drug connection (ie rumor Tim was a drug dealer, as stated by Reservation PD on file)
7. Suspect committed all three of admitted murders in St. Johns..................vs...............murders ocurred in St. Johns.
8. Suspect worked at variety store in St. Johns,.............vs...................victims shopped in St Johns (possibly acquainted with suspect)
9. Suspect worked at variety store that may have sold ammunition..............vs..............both victims had more than one gun and purchased ammunition for same
10. Friends with high school students (ie 16 year old victim and his girl friend) .......vs......neighbor who watched house, Nicole was a recent high school student
11. Reign of crime spree 4/07 to 8/09.........vs.............murdered in 11/08, in the middle of his crime spree.
12. One victim found murdered in his home..........vs.........victims found murdered in their home

POSSIBLE additional links

13. Neighbor witness' statement of Romero/Romans stated an unknown male was seen walking away from the outskirts of the neighborhood shortly after law enforcement had arrived upon the murder scene and was securing it.......unknown male, in 20's, baggy pants/plaid shirt/short black hair.
14. A gray-primed car picked-up the unknown male and swiftly left the scene.................vs..............child initially claimed he saw a 'white car' drive quickly away from the scene, with no hubcap on the rear wheel...................Possible scenario, it may have been a light gray car with a spare tire on the rear wheel, which would give the wheel an odd appearance compared to a 'normal rim/wheel?'

15. Subject Inmon stated he had an argument with 16 year old victim regarding the teens drug use....vs....Tim Romans had told one of his crew or dealers that someone wanted to kill him, only a week prior to his murder,.....could Tim have supplied drugs to 16 year old victim? Been confronted by Inmon?

16.The final red flag to me is the suspect himself, Inmon, stated, (without being asked (too much information or detail)) that he was going to kill two other people, one a drug dealer, but it was thwarted. One being a drug dealer.................................vs..........It's been rumored that "Tim Romans" was a drug dealer and Vince was just a guy. Could convicted murderer Inmon actually been telling you something? (he may have actually killed two other people?)

The differences are

1. Two victims Inmon has confessed to murdering were burned and buried out in the middle of the desert...vs...victims left at the scene (which could be because the crime was committed in town and there were two manyu possible witnesses (ie victim's son approaching) so not enough time to remove the victims)
2. Inmon confessed to three murders ...............vs..............8 year old child confessed to Romans/Romero murder..............but NOT really...in the judge's words, 'his actions that day caused the death of Tim Romans,'................which could mean to a 9 year old child that he "did NOT SAVE Tim and his dad," therefore, their death was 'his fault.'


JMHO
fran

PS...Inmon may not want to confess to these two murders, because his persona of a self-proclaimed Robin Hood type guy would be blown because he was letting a little boy take the fall.

PPS..(hat tip to dgfred for this one) Inmon may have gotten wind to possible abuse with the boy (just speculation)

PPPS...He may be afraid to confess to these two now because they already took the DP off the table for the other three when he told them where the one guy was,.............he may fear they wouldn't be so generous this time.

PPPPS....LE MAY NOT be too quick to investigate this because they know they'd end up looking REALLY bad!
 
  • #732
Excellent post fran, thanks for your time and effort with this.
 
  • #733
Wonder away... she has done quite well imo. The boy hasn't caused any problems and she has had him for a good while. All the time not having any money, can't get knew job, can't take him ANYWHERE public... what a tough position to be put in. The 'issues' that caused this tragedy in the first place are what needs to be looked over thoroughly... not covered up. Still no comments about the triple murderer in custody now from the StJohns area...
interesting.


Why would I comment/discuss, on this thread, about another case? I will however roll my eyes.......If you would like to discuss that case, why don't you start a new thread.
 
  • #734
Why would I comment/discuss, on this thread, about another case? If you would like to discuss that case, why don't you start a new thread.

You are kidding right? Even you can see there are similarities between the two cases... so that is what WE are discussing. If you are going to wear blinders to opposing views and theories, there is no need for you to comment/discuss anyway imo.
 
  • #735
You are kidding right? Even you can see there are similarities between the two cases... so that is what WE are discussing. If you are going to wear blinders to opposing views and theories, there is no need for you to comment/discuss anyway imo.


I don't see similarities. Serial killer brought his own gun ;)
 
  • #736
Well then no need for you to discuss further right? We all know already your point of view... including blinders.
 
  • #737
Well then no need for you to discuss further right? We all know already your point of view... including blinders.


Well, *I* have no desire to discuss it future, IMO it's ridiculous. Perhaps you'll find someone willing to take the bait.

The shrinks, BOTH of em, deemed him twisted enough for intensive residential treatment, he confessed, all the evidence points directly to him, that should tell you something. Case closed.

At this point, it's not a matter of "if he did it". He did.

The only question left......what will they do with him?
 
  • #738
Well all that is your opinion imo but: you don't know what the doctors said exactly... certainly 'twisted' was not in there.
He did NOT confess, nice try.
What evidence (all) points only to him?
Case is far from closed imo, even the plea could possibly be thrown out.
Sham of an investigation in the first place.
etc.

Some fish bite with no bait :innocent: .
 
  • #739
Fran, I appreciate your post comparing these cases that you find similar, but it doesn't give me any reasonable doubt about this child's case.

Not to discount your feelings at all, but I think most of those of us who support this child and don't want to see him "thrown away" accept that he killed Romans and Romero. IMHO, to NOT accept this, we have to accept a vast and nonsensical conspiracy and nothing points to that. It just doesn't make a lick of sense that all of these people involved in this case want to hang a double murder on an elementary school kid.
 
  • #740
I don't see similarities. Serial killer brought his own gun ;)


I fail to see any similarities.

Except they both involve murders.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-inmon-confession,0,4894788.story

Vigilante Serial Killer Confesses to Slayings

Prosecutors allege that Inmon killed Flores at the urging of the father of Flores' girlfriend, who along with Inmon's girlfriend, is charged with murder in the case. The mother of Flores' girlfriend also faces charges in the teenager's death.


When he showed up at West's office to chat, he had a head of curly, dirty blond hair that he later shaved, revealing large scars during a court hearing. He was dressed in a drab olive shirt, jeans and a baseball cap with two War II-type pins, both with swastikas on them.
 
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