Bankrupt Casey Anthony interviewed by KPHO CBS in Phoenix

[TotallyObsessed]

Dang, where's the standing ovation emoticon when you need it most?
BRAVO

Why I continue to lurk this case is because, I am waiting for the tide to turn. I feel as many do, a personal dislike of Casey that does not arise with all cases. I admit I see her as a poster child for all that is wrong in our world.

It is not just that Casey killed Caylee, and in the way that she did-and acted afterward. That is bad enough. It is the amazing amount of help she has had, the baffling amount of so called adult/professionals who have come to her aid. And to the detriment of a child!

I do not subscribe to any spiritual/religious belief system that I could with authority say to anyone "I'm telling ya, it's true." Because I get confused myself. I strive for love at all times. I do not succeed at all times, obviously. I do not wish to hate anyone. Not even those who have done harm to the innocent. But, I do. I am not being very trusting of love to sort it out-or I am impatient waiting for her rein to end but I know I want something. From my world perspective, the whole world has gone mad(for about the last at least 5,000 years) and I am looking for the cure.

I feel so strongly that the truth come out about what really happened to Caylee but I feel even more strongly that this wrong of such a blatant liar getting away with step after step must be corrected.

It's the lying. I must have been one heck of a liar in my last life(I am leaning toward the more than one life thing, I do have to say) because oh buddy do I hate lying!

A liar killed Caylee and lies by Cindy, George and Lee helped her get away with it. How can we get around the fact that human beings who murder are gonna lie about it? By having authority(court/law)that is above reproach. I have asked if lies are allowed by anyone is court and have been informed, no they are not.

I am at impasse. If no one lied in court, especially Casey's council-then she is telling the truth. Then why is George not being investigated for what is the truth about him? If no one lied in court, then how can the prosecutors have a completely different story from the defense? And, shouldn't someone be bringing charges on all of the officers who broke the law and violated Casey's rights? Shouldn't everyone have to account for taking advantage of a girl who was so horribly abused and has such emotional and metal scars she was forced to ugly cope while living with the knowledge her father had molested and killed her daughter?

What I can not grasp is the "have it both ways" outcome we have here. Jose must file this on this date, it is a law" Jose does not. Why is he not seen as a the least being a poor employee but at worst is breaking the law? "Because of this or that or this." I said this many times during this trial, I thought the law of all things-was the law. I understand my questions are all moot. I don't know all the reasons why, but if people thought like I did or the world ran the way I was taught to believe it did-I wouldn't be mystified. As I said, impasse.

So, no one lied-and still I have this anger at the case. I (can you believe it?)wrote this post so I could post a song I have recently had the pleasure of hearing. The lyrics put into words what I feel is the reality of those who seek to gain from others suffering, in any way. It helps me to remember that they are getting away with "a handful of sand."

I have been lurking and reading your posts, I am always so pleased to experience the respect and caring that is here. I like reading what your thoughts and feelings are, for most of the time they are my own and I enjoy how passionate everyone is for the truth-even when they disagree. Disagree, not lie. No lies can live here because facts are expected before anything is said to be "truth." I think that the most- is what makes me a WS follower/reader. I have seen time and time again, when presented with facts WSers allow those through while pushing their emotions/theories to the side. But mostly their feelings/theories were right. :blushing: They just usually have to wait for the facts to catch up. IMHO.

It would be truth to say this has been a rant. I do not expect any responses to my questions, the answer is "because". I do find comfort in others who seem to feel the same. I appreciate being a (if now a days lurking)member here.

I didn't want to just pop in and say, "here is my song I want you to hear in case it helps anyone like it helped me as much as any one thing can help with processing a tragedy such as this." But here you go.

And :tyou: for allowing me my :twocents:

Night Train to Mundo Fine -- Red Zone Cuba Theme - YouTube

The opening theme of Red Zone Cuba, written by Ray Gregory and performed by John Carradine.

Night Train to Mundo Fine
written by: Ray Gregory
Played by Ray Gregory and the Melmen
Sung by John Carradine

Night train to Mundo Fine
Night train to the end
Running hard and running fast
To meet my future and away from my past
Taking that gamble that cannot last
Night train to the end!

Hell's ride to Mundo Fine
Hell's ride to the end
Sold my soul to the devil's men
He draws me hard with a merciless hand
And all I bought is a handful of sand
Night train to the end!

I'm on this ride 'cause I have no pride
In myself, or in men, or in God!
Now if you want to share in the price of my fare
Then fill your mind with greed that is blind
And wander in its evil fog.

Night train to Mundo Fine
Night train to the end
Running hard and running fast
To meet my future and away from my past
Taking the gamble that cannot last
Night train to the end

 

[logicalgirl]

This is just getting bizarre.

Some of us believe that she is most likely there and some of us don't. Welcome to spirited debate ,which is at times, an integral part of this forum isn't it? Agreeing to disagree is part of it without all of the constant condescension and overdose of snark.

And since when is People magazine so reviled for being utter trash? It has always been the most respected of the "gossip" magazines in the US. It is in the upper echelon in its genre if there is such a thing.

I'm not really sure what all of the vitriol directed at it is about. Is is the New York Times or Vanity Fair? No. But it is far from total and complete trashy fiction.

We quote Fox News and other mass media on here all of the time and they are not all exactly known for being credible or correct.

Jeez!

Yes, it is spirited debate. My experience with Caylee's case is pretty extensive and I've been following it on a daily basis since FCA strolled into the "copshop" in her blue hoodie.

I've seen so many rumours that have turned out to be false - it amazes me. So as an individual who feels I have a right to express my opinion as just that and no more - I do.

I've said over and over again - I'm not here to try to convince anyone to believe what I believe - just to state an opinion based on my own experience and readings. There is no reason for us to all agree - how boring and almost impossible in a group of individual thinkers. And sometimes my "holdout" position provides a platform for others who aren't sure they are convinced of the rumours.

No one will convince me that People magazine is a credilble source - it is a l ght gossipy fun publication - but a source of facts - in MY world - not a chance. I read it while I'm waiting for my colour to "take" at the hairdresser. :great: And I believe nothing I hear on Fox without confirmation from another major network.

I like to hear other people's opinions - they challenge me to rethink things - and if it turns out to be true - I'll be the first to say - well there you go - it was true. My brain isn't wired to agree for the sake of agreement.

Beyond that - I don't have an answer. And I can handle the "heat".

 

[ZsaZsa]

Oh Boy! Alright - I give up! She's there, she has a dog, a bodyguard and loving parents who take her out to wine and dine her. We don't need proof - I'm an easy going person and don't mind at all that no one agrees with me........:floorlaugh:
It's all good!

That was my response to your question.... you asked "Who knew where she was, apart from her legal team".
Lots of people knew. That's a fact.
ETA Your question was asking who knew Casey's location when she had to move suddenly due to a 'threat'-(she was at the church in Palm Beach) .
I have not suggested that it's a fact that she is in Ocean Woods...

 

[magnolia]

*Snipped for brevity*

I choose to believe the PEOPLE magazine report that FCA does live in Ocean Woods community and that George leased the condo for her. I believe that information has been confirmed.

When PEOPLE magazine contacted George's attorney, Lippman, and the attorney issued no denial, I believed it was true that FCA lives there and that George leased the condo for her. It would have been easy to say that George has nothing to do with any of it.

I believe the Realtor listed in FCA's bankruptcy filing is the realtor for her condo in the Ocean Woods community, as it has been verified that this particular realtor has properties in Ocean Woods.

*Snipped*

BBM--I really don't have an opinion on Casey/Ocean Woods. Maybe she lived there, maybe not. I don't know. :loser:

If it is true that George leased the condo for Casey--and true the Realtor is the one listed in the bankruptcy-- how can she be successful in liquidating any debt that is owed the Realtor? The condo would be leased in George's name and become his debt. Casey can't bankrupt on another person's debt.

Hope you don't mind me snipping your post.

 

[ZsaZsa]

BBM--I really don't have an opinion on Casey/Ocean Woods. Maybe she lived there, maybe not. I don't know. :loser:

If it is truethat George leased the condo for Casey--and true the Realtor is the one listed in the bankruptcy-- how can she be successful in liquidating any debt that is owed the Realtor? The condo would be leased in George's name and become his debt. Casey can't bankrupt on another person's debt.

Hope you don't mind me snipping your post.

Yes there is obviously some debt to them in her name, for him to be listed. I was hoping there would be an itemized list showing what was owed, nature of the debt etc but apparently there's not.

 

[heidisams]

Why I continue to lurk this case is because, I am waiting for the tide to turn. I feel as many do, a personal dislike of Casey that does not arise with all cases. I admit I see her as a poster child for all that is wrong in our world.

It is not just that Casey killed Caylee, and in the way that she did-and acted afterward. That is bad enough. It is the amazing amount of help she has had, the baffling amount of so called adult/professionals who have come to her aid. And to the detriment of a child!

I do not subscribe to any spiritual/religious belief system that I could with authority say to anyone "I'm telling ya, it's true." Because I get confused myself. I strive for love at all times. I do not succeed at all times, obviously. I do not wish to hate anyone. Not even those who have done harm to the innocent. But, I do. I am not being very trusting of love to sort it out-or I am impatient waiting for her rein to end but I know I want something. From my world perspective, the whole world has gone mad(for about the last at least 5,000 years) and I am looking for the cure.

I feel so strongly that the truth come out about what really happened to Caylee but I feel even more strongly that this wrong of such a blatant liar getting away with step after step must be corrected.

It's the lying. I must have been one heck of a liar in my last life(I am leaning toward the more than one life thing, I do have to say) because oh buddy do I hate lying!

A liar killed Caylee and lies by Cindy, George and Lee helped her get away with it. How can we get around the fact that human beings who murder are gonna lie about it? By having authority(court/law)that is above reproach. I have asked if lies are allowed by anyone is court and have been informed, no they are not.

I am at impasse. If no one lied in court, especially Casey's council-then she is telling the truth. Then why is George not being investigated for what is the truth about him? If no one lied in court, then how can the prosecutors have a completely different story from the defense? And, shouldn't someone be bringing charges on all of the officers who broke the law and violated Casey's rights? Shouldn't everyone have to account for taking advantage of a girl who was so horribly abused and has such emotional and metal scars she was forced to ugly cope while living with the knowledge her father had molested and killed her daughter?

What I can not grasp is the "have it both ways" outcome we have here. Jose must file this on this date, it is a law" Jose does not. Why is he not seen as a the least being a poor employee but at worst is breaking the law? "Because of this or that or this." I said this many times during this trial, I thought the law of all things-was the law. I understand my questions are all moot. I don't know all the reasons why, but if people thought like I did or the world ran the way I was taught to believe it did-I wouldn't be mystified. As I said, impasse.

So, no one lied-and still I have this anger at the case. I (can you believe it?)wrote this post so I could post a song I have recently had the pleasure of hearing. The lyrics put into words what I feel is the reality of those who seek to gain from others suffering, in any way. It helps me to remember that they are getting away with "a handful of sand."

Snipped and BBM

Great song, thank you... And I couldn't agree more with your post. These are many of my same frustrations, which also relate to another of my biggest peeves with this case, regarding all the smoke and mirrors... It's hard for me to describe it exactly, I've tried before, but decided not to post because it didn't make any sense.:waitasec: Anyway, JB and the dt, used so much smoke and mirrors, which, imo, confused even the most intelligent viewers, trial watchers and media correspondents, of the like, with their theory that she was abused by her father, so she learned how to lie (etc, etc, most of us know the rest of their theory r/t this) and is, therefore, not guilty. Somehow, with the constant repetition of this by the dt, and like, it became accepted, and rarely even questioned, that if you believe she was molested then that makes her not guilty, or less culpable. Period. Molested equals not guilty/less culpable. No need to look any further, she must be a victim, and GA was somehow responsible for Caylee's death. I personally don't think he molested her, or had any involvement in her death. But, lets say I did believe he molested her, the evidence, to me, still makes her guilty. How did it become one or the other, as you referenced in your post? It seems the lines got blurred and fantasy overtook reality here... Conversations became so centered around was she molested or not molested, rather than whether or not her being molested even makes a difference when you consider the actual evidence. I say no way. But, this became lost on so many, imo... These people (fca, JB, CM, etc) are master manipulators and, through their jedi mind tricks, many have blindly been swooped into their vortex and down the rabbit hole. Avid followers of the case, like those here, refused to buy what they were/are selling, and saw right through their game. Which also makes me sick, because this in no way a game! But, we are, unfortunately, the minority, and more likely to see through the smoke and mirrors... These trends, of adding enough fluff so that the concrete truth gets cast aside, is carried over to all things fca, including all the press and statements being put out with regards to the bankruptcy, civil trial, etc... And the frustration, for me, is not going to go away unless, and until, they are finally told to just save it and go away, no one's buying your bs anymore... That, as well as, the lying and manipulation, are why I can't stomach or watch anything that might involve, or give any platform, that allows them the opportunity to spew more lies and further their agenda with confusion and smoke and mirrors... Chasing that big payday...

All jmo.

 

[magnolia]

Yes there is obviously some debt to them in her name, for him to be listed. I was hoping there would be an itemized list showing what was owed, nature of the debt etc but apparently there's not.

BBM-I would think there would have to be. Of course, we are discussing Casey A. here. The Attorney is going by what she tells him.

 

[ZsaZsa]

BBM-I would think there would have to be. Of course, we are discussing Casey A. here. The Attorney is going by what she tells him.

IIRC AZLawyer said when/if he shows up to the Bankruptcy hearing there will be some documentation at that time..

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Snipped and BBM

Great song, thank you... And I couldn't agree more with your post. These are many of my same frustrations, which also relate to another of my biggest peeves with this case, regarding all the smoke and mirrors... It's hard for me to describe it exactly, I've tried before, but decided not to post because it didn't make any sense.:waitasec: Anyway, JB and the dt, used so much smoke and mirrors, which, imo, confused even the most intelligent viewers, trial watchers and media correspondents, of the like, with their theory that she was abused by her father, so she learned how to lie (etc, etc, most of us know the rest of their theory r/t this) and is, therefore, not guilty. Somehow, with the constant repetition of this by the dt, and like, it became accepted, and rarely even questioned, that if you believe she was molested then that makes her not guilty. Period. Molested equals not guilty. No need to look any further, she must be an innocent victim, and GA was somehow responsible for Caylee's death. I personally don't think he molested her, or had any involvement in her death. But, lets say I did believe he molested her, the evidence, to me, still makes her guilty. How did it become one or the other, as you referenced in your post? It seems the lines got blurred and fantasy overtook reality here... Conversations became so centered around was she molested or not molested, rather than whether or not her being molested even makes a difference when you consider the actual evidence. I say no way. But, this became lost on so many, imo... These people (fca, JB, CM, etc) are master manipulators and, through their jedi mind tricks, many have blindly been swooped into their vortex and down the rabbit hole. Avid followers of the case, like those here, refused to buy what they were/are selling, and saw right through their game. Which also makes me sick, because this in no way a game! But, we are, unfortunately, the minority, and more likely to see through the smoke and mirrors... These trends, of adding enough fluff so that the concrete truth gets cast aside, is carried over to all things fca, including all the press and statements being put out with regards to the bankruptcy, civil trial, etc... And the frustration, for me, is not going to go away unless, and until, they are finally told to just save it and go away, no one's buying your bs anymore... That, as well as, the lying and manipulation, are why I can't stomach or watch anything that might involve, or give any platform, that allows them the opportunity to spew more lies and further their agenda with confusion and smoke and mirrors... Chasing that big payday...

All jmo.

Totally agree. I do NOT understand why they were allowed to make such claims and implications but provide no proof. I do not understand why they were allowed to imply that molestation somehow precludes guilt. Just a disgraceful argument...wish that was stopped at the beginning.

Is it also the case that someone who was molested cannot be held accountable for debt? Where is the line drawn?

Another question - isn't the jury/court saying it's ok for her to murder more people? I mean she was molested...so...there's some complex mechanism in play that prevents her from being held accountable right?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Totally agree. I do NOT understand why they were allowed to make such claims and implications but provide no proof. I do not understand why they were allowed to imply that molestation somehow precludes guilt. Just a disgraceful argument...wish that was stopped at the beginning.

Is it also the case that someone who was molested cannot be held accountable for debt? Where is the line drawn?

It seems the norm now when a woman is facing murder charges that her
attorney is going to claim some abuse to justify it.. ( once they settle on which version of the 'truth' they are going with). I tuned in briefly
yesterday to the Jodi Arias trial and the defense was dissecting the victim's
life, destroying him all over again..

 

[NocturnalLady]

I'm as outraged as any of you over the idea that Casey may be able to get away with this bankruptcy filing and just shake all of her debts off and walk away. It's not right under any circumstances.

BUT - if Casey gets away with this then it isn't Casey's fault it's the SYSTEM that should be blamed. Any system that could allow something as egregious as this bankruptcy claim to fly is broken and we should be outraged at that!

Honest, hard working people fall on hard times and end up in debt to the IRS all the time and I don't see any of them getting a pass. Casey will because she has a team of lawyers ready will and able to exploit the system and get her off scot free. IMHO this situation could be fixed if we would all direct our outrage where it belongs - at the inadequate system and the immoral lawyers who game it.

 

[magnolia]

I'm as outraged as any of you over the idea that Casey may be able to get away with this bankruptcy filing and just shake all of her debts off and walk away. It's not right under any circumstances.

BUT - if Casey gets away with this then it isn't Casey's fault it's the SYSTEM that should be blamed. Any system that could allow something as egregious as this bankruptcy claim to fly is broken and we should be outraged at that!

Honest, hard working people fall on hard times and end up in debt to the IRS all the time and I don't see any of them getting a pass. Casey will because she has a team of lawyers ready will and able to exploit the system and get her off scot free. IMHO this situation could be fixed if we would all direct our outrage where it belongs - at the inadequate system and the immoral lawyers who game it.

I agree.

BBM-I have heard all the opinions of why these Attorney's continue to diligently fight for her. I don't quite buy any of them. It goes from attorney/client to what seems to be a relationship on a more personal level. We are talking about professional people here. I don't get it.

I know what some might be thinking. lol, I don't believe it's that either.

 

[rossva]

BBM, parts respectfully snipped, my responses in BLUE

This woman is a wound ostomy and continence nurse and her husband is a NASA Space Center plant physiologist - not flighty silly people.

Being a NASA employee doesn't disqualify some one from being flighty and silly - see Lisa Nowak. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Nowak

I choose to believe the PEOPLE magazine report that FCA does live in Ocean Woods community and that George leased the condo for her. I believe that information has been confirmed.

When PEOPLE magazine contacted George's attorney, Lippman, and the attorney issued no denial, I believed it was true that FCA lives there and that George leased the condo for her. It would have been easy to say that George has nothing to do with any of it.

Maybe a question for one of our legal authorities, but if George did the leasing, how would Casey's declaring it on her bankruptcy have any effect?

I choose to believe the many sightings of FCA in the Ocean Woods community, by many different people who do not know each other and did not make any money off their info. They know what they saw. They told what they saw in a casual setting of social media.

I choose to believe the owner of the Green Room Cafe in Cocoa Beach, Debbie Wright, who reported that her customer has seen FCA in there.

Had you ever heard of the Green Room Cafe before it was rumored Casey Anthony had been there? I think they are making money off the info they gave.

 

[heidisams]

Totally agree. I do NOT understand why they were allowed to make such claims and implications but provide no proof. I do not understand why they were allowed to imply that molestation somehow precludes guilt. Just a disgraceful argument...wish that was stopped at the beginning.

Is it also the case that someone who was molested cannot be held accountable for debt? Where is the line drawn?

Another question - isn't the jury/court saying it's ok for her to murder more people? I mean she was molested...so...there's some complex mechanism in play that prevents her from being held accountable right?

Haha... Exactly... a free pass to murder... Great message pinheads... :banghead:

All jmo.

 

[logicalgirl]

That was my response to your question.... you asked "Who knew where she was, apart from her legal team".
Lots of people knew. That's a fact.
ETA Your question was asking who knew Casey's location when she had to move suddenly due to a 'threat'-(she was at the church in Palm Beach) .
I have not suggested that it's a fact that she is in Ocean Woods...

My apologies ZsaZsa - it was just in response to a number of other comments...combined with yours. But from what I remember the post-it note wasn't on the church door location - I understood it to be on some other property. Didn't we hear about it quite a while before we heard about the church compound? I didn't understand that those two were connected. I remember when they hussled her out of the church...

 

[Brooke]

BBM--I really don't have an opinion on Casey/Ocean Woods. Maybe she lived there, maybe not. I don't know. :loser:

If it is true that George leased the condo for Casey--and true the Realtor is the one listed in the bankruptcy-- how can she be successful in liquidating any debt that is owed the Realtor? The condo would be leased in George's name and become his debt. Casey can't bankrupt on another person's debt.

Hope you don't mind me snipping your post.

BBM

Just wondering out loud, but I wonder if both can be true. IF the lease was signed by Casey (crazy thought, I know, but bear with me), but George was a co-signer, it could be reasoned that George did "get" the condo for her because realistically speaking, she has no wherewithal whatsoever to obtain housing on her own. Yet with his signature, he IS providing it as there is no good reason to lease to someone with no job, no assets, etc.

I do know a person who did co-sign a lease for a person who had been convicted of a felony, had no assets, and had just started a job after being unemployed for quite some time, so I know that can happen. It was also done to help the person re-establish credit and get back to being a productive member of society. So I can see this as a possibility.

It would also make sense to me that she would list the realtor in her BK because IF she did sign the lease, she is the principle party on the hook for the money, not George. I'm not real familiar with how things work in BK, and if this is the case, I'm not clear if the BK judge would allow the realtor's money to be included in the BK if George did in fact co-sign the lease.

Like I said, just thinking out loud. :twocents: :moo:

 

[Tulessa]

Nothing new here. Move along Tulessa, move along! Waves to all my imaginary friends!

 

[ZsaZsa]

I'm as outraged as any of you over the idea that Casey may be able to get away with this bankruptcy filing and just shake all of her debts off and walk away. It's not right under any circumstances.

BUT - if Casey gets away with this then it isn't Casey's fault it's the SYSTEM that should be blamed. Any system that could allow something as egregious as this bankruptcy claim to fly is broken and we should be outraged at that!

Honest, hard working people fall on hard times and end up in debt to the IRS all the time and I don't see any of them getting a pass. Casey will because she has a team of lawyers ready will and able to exploit the system and get her off scot free. IMHO this situation could be fixed if we would all direct our outrage where it belongs - at the inadequate system and the immoral lawyers who game it.

IMO this $500K she owes Baez is a fiction, added on to make her look more
broke. If it is real then she should spend her life working it off! No one forced her to accumulate all these bills, she should have been represented by a public defender. It's obvious they all expected a big media payoff eventually, I don't see them volunteering their services at the court house to the average felon..

 

[ZsaZsa]

BBM

Just wondering out loud, but I wonder if both can be true. IF the lease was signed by Casey (crazy thought, I know, but bear with me), but George was a co-signer, it could be reasoned that George did "get" the condo for her because realistically speaking, she has no wherewithal whatsoever to obtain housing on her own. Yet with his signature, he IS providing it as there is no good reason to lease to someone with no job, no assets, etc.

I do know a person who did co-sign a lease for a person who had been convicted of a felony, had no assets, and had just started a job after being unemployed for quite some time, so I know that can happen. It was also done to help the person re-establish credit and get back to being a productive member of society. So I can see this as a possibility.

It would also make sense to me that she would list the realtor in her BK because IF she did sign the lease, she is the principle party on the hook for the money, not George. I'm not real familiar with how things work in BK, and if this is the case, I'm not clear if the BK judge would allow the realtor's money to be included in the BK if George did in fact co-sign the lease.

Like I said, just thinking out loud. :twocents: :moo:

I wouldn't put it past her to have George sign for her ( not sure his credit rating is any good either :floorlaugh and then got bored, moved out and left
him paying - or as it turns out, not paying the rent..

 

[ZsaZsa]

Nothing new here. Move along Tulessa, move along! Waves to all my imaginary friends!

We're all here.. :seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya::seeya: