Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #6

[SnooperDuper]

Hey, since when is it *okay* to give away my secret anagram publicly on WS??!!

After looking up what an FBO is, now I am confused as to the different between an FBO and an MRO. I looked up what an FBO does, but it also seems to offer repair and maintenance and repair services. Would an FBO cost even more money to establish as a business, than an MRO would??

Millardair gave up their certification for repair so I am not sure how much they would be able to do as an FBO.

 

[Kamille]

Millardair gave up their certification for repair so I am not sure how much they would be able to do as an FBO.

Just a "hotel for planes" remember?

Planes that were staying at the airport for any length of time could rent space in the hangar to park and he would provide the occupants with ground transportation/rental cars etc. I wonder if he was planning on renting out some of the heaps in the hangar to these people? LOL I suppose re-fueling was also in the idea, or maybe not?

I understand there is no real absolute standards that fall under the "FBO" label so you only have to provide one of the suggested services to call yourself one? And as a private business, I assume that no licensing is required other than what would be required to be a re-fuelling station, if that was even his intention. Sounds like just being indoor parking and ground transportation was about all this "ambitious" fellow could muster as a business idea for the hangar.

MOO

 

[Errrr]

Millardair gave up their certification for repair so I am not sure how much they would be able to do as an FBO.

This is all just my opinion but this FBO business screams scam to me. I don't think that airport would have been agreeable to a new operation stealing business from existing operators. The MRO would have served heavy business not currently existing there. Bearskin already operates out of that airport. So do fuel services. Renting spaces out of that behemoth wouldn't cut the mustard as far as paying bills is concerned. There was some reason DM told Hussey to keep quiet about the FBO.
I suspect Hussey was being groomed. A sociopath gets a mark excited about joining his lucrative group, then points to a roadblock. The mark has to overcome this by doing something sketchy to get in the group which results in becoming owned by the sociopath.

 

[deugirtni]

It was only Millard and Hussey at the meeting.

The only people we know saw the truck at the hangar are SS, AJ and Hussey.

Not according to my notes taken the afternoon of March 10th.

 

[ABro]

To add to your post, I believe there was another small meeting of sorts at the hangar on the 10th, after the truck had been removed from the hangar. One that was set up on the 8th and involved other people.

MOO

What is your source for this? The only testimony we have about a meeting on the 10th is Detective Paul Hamilton's. He said when he arrived at the hangar, Millard was meeting with an older white male.

That male could have been AJ, SS or someone else entirely.

ETA: I will check my March 10 notes. You are right. There was a meeting with several people on March 10, according to Hussey.

 

[Kamille]

Not according to my notes taken the afternoon of March 10th.

The "meeting" at the hangar where there was a "tour" and the same day the accountant was there was on the 10th. The truck had already been moved by then. It was only Hussey there on the 8th to talk to DM and set up the meeting for the 10th.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

What is your source for this? The only testimony we have about a meeting on the 10th is Detective Paul Hamilton's. He said when he arrived at the hangar, Millard was meeting with an older white male.

That male could have been AJ, SS or someone else entirely.

It was part of SH's testimony. A meeting was scheduled on the 8th for the 10th where a small tour was done. That was also the day DM announced they would have to put up $5000 to get in on the business.

On the stand Thursday, Hussey recalled that they had also met at the hangar on May 8 — a meeting that had been scheduled for May 7 until Millard put it off via text message. During that meeting, Hussey recalled, Millard looked tired: his hair was uncharacteristically messy, his sweater was falling off his shoulder, and he had bags under his eyes.
Also, he notice a black pickup truck parked in the hangar — which he now knows was the Bosma truck. It was sitting on a tarp, as was carpet that had been ripped from the interior.

He asked Shane Schlatman, Millard’s right-hand man at the hangar, about it and was told he got it in Kitchener.
When he was back at the hangar for the May 10 meeting, the truck was gone.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2016/03/10/tim-bosma-murder-trial-sees-large-flame-in-video.html

 

[deugirtni]

Millardair gave up their certification for repair so I am not sure how much they would be able to do as an FBO.

Well exactly. If an FBO also includes R&M, like an MRO does, then that route had already been discarded when their MRO registration was given up. But on Thursday's testimony during the afternoon, the FBO was a LARGE part of the discussion, as to how SH had a big plan for DM to become an FBO, and how DM was VERY excited about this new business venture prospect, and how they had been communicating for months about it (March/April/May 2013). How SH had lots of contacts and experience, and DM had the money end, how the FBO would be beneficial to each of them.

So if an FBO is the same, but more, than an MRO, then all of that is thrown out the window, imho. Everything already HAD been in place for an MRO, the registration, the employees, the salesguy, so to me, this suggests that DM was indeed giving SH lip service in regard to his FBO idea and plans.

 

[ABro]

Not according to my notes taken the afternoon of March 10th.

Yes, you are right. I managed to forget about that. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[deugirtni]

I am confused and curious as to why the texts between SH and DM which are referred to in testimony and evidence in court on March 10th, do NOT show up on the cellphone logs? Does anyone know why this would be? Did LE leave out a bunch of the communications, believing them not to be particularly relevant? Or were they not visible in the logs LE received from the providers?

 

[Murphys_Law]

Colour blindness is a good guess, but might it not also affect his ability to see other colours as well? If I recall, I think he did say that the truck he saw was red.

Didn't the officer who was following the trailer say that she drove beside the tow truck for about 10 minutes, honking and trying to get his attention? I wonder if the red tarp could have fallen out then, or at least the defence can claim that if it was beneficial to them. The officer wouldn't have been looking for a tarp when she went back, just a box.

My opinion only

To my knowledge, John Alma did not state the colour of the truck towing the trailer... That's interesting IMO.
Further, colour blindness in one spectrum does not dictate colour impairment in other spectrums.

 

[puppyraiser]

To my knowledge, John Alma did not state the colour of the truck towing the trailer... That's interesting IMO.
Further, colour blindness in one spectrum does not dictate colour impairment in other spectrums.

I am not colour blind, can distinguish even slight differences in hue but for some strange reason I have said orange when seeing green and green when seeing orange on several occasions. Don't know why and I do correct myself because I can see the proper colour. Maybe the witness is colour blind and doesn't realize it, or maybe it's a mental slip up?

 

[deugirtni]

I just wanted to say that we sleuthers here at WS and the rest of the public, are at the mercy of the reporters who are in attendance to give us information, unless we attend ourselves. There is much information and testimony which is not reported, or otherwise missed. Some of which may be deemed by the reporter, at that second in time, to not be all that important. Even some which is misconstrued. There is a whole lot of other things being said that are not tweeted or otherwise reported on in newspaper articles. It's great to have a variety of reporters tweeting, because some do catch things that others may miss, or choose not to type, and vice versa.

I'm not talking about the things that are said while the jury is absent, which the reporters are not at liberty to disclose. I'm just saying that it is very difficult to begin with, to take very detailed notes, unless one knows a method of shorthand, or perhaps types a mile a minute, and then on top, to publish it LIVE.. all the while keeping in mind what can and can't be said, in ensuring they heard correctly, and etc.

In taking very detailed notes, some of the other nuances will be missed, such as body language, glances between people, staredowns, smirks and facial expressions, etc. It has got to be tough for reporters in our time, to directly tweet live from a trial.. once the 'send' button is pressed, it is 'out there', seen by many, and difficult to take back if an error is made, or something might be misconstrued, or if something was referred to which wasn't supposed to be mentioned, etc. If the reporters have to look at the screens to see evidence on top of writing about what is being said, it becomes even MORE difficult for them.

Just know that there is a wealth of stuff being said in the courtroom which is not being reported to the public, not out of any kind of desire to leave things out, or any other conspiracies, but just due to the sheer mechanics of doing so.

I really have to hand it to Adam Carter, because he seems to be present every day, arriving in advance, keeping us posted when there are sessions without the jury, and typing out what is said as fast and regularly as he can, all day long while court is in session, and even during the private discussions without the jury present. I'm sure he is recording that information as well, although not posting it publicly (yet at least!). I have NO idea how he manages to do his 'live blog', AND do his tweets, unless he can do both at the same time with the push of one button (as long as the text is limited to the number of characters allowed on tweets!)

 

[billandrew]

Regarding the May 10 meeting at the hangar, these details were provided during the cross-examination:

There was another meeting on May 10 about the new FBO, Sachak says, with multiple people there. There was a tour of the hangar at that time, Hussey says.
by Adam Carter March 10 at 3:49 PM

"I was showing them the facility," Hussey says.
by Adam Carter March 10 at 3:50 PM

Sachak says the people he was showing the hangar to "were impressed."
by Adam Carter March 10 at 3:50 PM

 

[matou]

In the most recent chch news video, there is a shot of the texts between hussey and millard. It is blurry though. Can't link right now from phone.

 

[matou]

I wonder if "the suits are here" was meant for the business people and not LE.

 

[billandrew]

I wonder if "the suits are here" was meant for the business people and not LE.

Hussey said he left the hangar around 2pm. The police showed up around 3pm (or later), and they left at 3:55pm. At 4pm, Millard begins a series of strange actions: he drops off his red Dodge Ram at Maple Grove, withdraws $3,000 cash from the bank, etc.

Hussey went back to the hangar for another meeting on May 10.
by Adam Carter March 10 at 2:39 PM

Hussey says he left around 2 p.m.
by Adam Carter March 10 at 2:41 PM

 

[deugirtni]

Hussey said he left the hangar around 2pm. The police showed up around 3pm (or later), and they left at 3:55pm. At 4pm, Millard begins a series of strange actions: he drops off his red Dodge Ram at Maple Grove, withdraws $3,000 cash from the bank, etc.

Hussey went back to the hangar for another meeting on May 10.
by Adam Carter March 10 at 2:39 PM

Hussey says he left around 2 p.m.
by Adam Carter March 10 at 2:41 PM

What time of day on the 10th did AJ get fired?

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder if "the suits are here" was meant for the business people and not LE.

I have to admit that I haven't really ever heard that phraseology in relation to police. I have only ever heard that said when there are people of importance/executives present. But I just figured I wasn't in tune with all of the names that police are called.

 

[Satchie]

I am confused and curious as to why the texts between SH and DM which are referred to in testimony and evidence in court on March 10th, do NOT show up on the cellphone logs? Does anyone know why this would be? Did LE leave out a bunch of the communications, believing them not to be particularly relevant? Or were they not visible in the logs LE received from the providers?

I think that the conditions of the warrant allowing LE access to private cellphone data, prevents them from revealing information that is not direct evidence of the crime. They can't publish other information, such as those texts.