CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #11

[believe09]

Am I right in thinking AH and partner were always officially the owners of that property, not Bob?

He was their mortgage lender, so it is all in how you look at it I guess.

 

[zwiebel]

22 pages of posts and such a sad case too, so then I had to see if there had been any resolution, and there hasn't been really.

The word is culvert, darn it!

 

[mikkismom]

He was their mortgage lender, so it is all in how you look at it I guess.

The 'owner' would be whoever is on record at the property tax office.

 

[Cubby]

The 'owner' would be whoever is on record at the property tax office.

True, but when one is not mortgage free, don't ya still feel like 'the bank' owns it? In this case, Bob was the bank...... All the withdrawals, no deposits. So much truth to that analogy. What a break of sunshine among the clouds Fontelle must have been when she came into his life. At least we know his last few weeks were mostly happy ones until that dreaded heated family discussion and his subsequent disappearance.

 

[believe09]

The 'owner' would be whoever is on record at the property tax office.

Unless that owner defaults on his loan and then the bank takes the property. Andrew defaulted so Bob owns the house.

 

[mikkismom]

True, but when one is not mortgage free, don't ya still feel like 'the bank' owns it? In this case, Bob was the bank...... All the withdrawals, no deposits. So much truth to that analogy. What a break of sunshine among the clouds Fontelle must have been when she came into his life. At least we know his last few weeks were mostly happy ones until that dreaded heated family discussion and his subsequent disappearance.

bbm - Oh, don't I know it! We had Lead Poisoning with our DGS - we had to put $80K into our then $60K house. Guess what? It ain't worth $140K! We love it but owe more than the market value.

As far as the 'owner', the fine goes to the 'owner of record' at the tax office. Many foreclosures can drag out for YEARS because the people who were foreclosed on don't care (they lost their house, after all) and the banks don't file the paperwork to take ownership because then they would be responsible for the fines/taxes/upkeep. It is an UGLY mess. Ultimately, the fines go with the property - 'wherever' IT goes.

jmo

 

[Cubby]

bbm - Oh, don't I know it! We had Lead Poisoning with our DGS - we had to put $80K into our then $60K house. Guess what? It ain't worth $140K! We love it but owe more than the market value.

As far as the 'owner', the fine goes to the 'owner of record' at the tax office. Many foreclosures can drag out for YEARS because the people who were foreclosed on don't care (they lost their house, after all) and the banks don't file the paperwork to take ownership because then they would be responsible for the fines/taxes/upkeep. It is an UGLY mess. Ultimately, the fines go with the property - 'wherever' IT goes.

jmo

I so hear ya. I think we can summarize it as, I own it as in I'm responsible for it, but the bank really owns it kind of thing. I never really feel like something is actually mine until I'm done with the financing.

 

[zwiebel]

bbm - Oh, don't I know it! We had Lead Poisoning with our DGS - we had to put $80K into our then $60K house. Guess what? It ain't worth $140K! We love it but owe more than the market value.

As far as the 'owner', the fine goes to the 'owner of record' at the tax office. Many foreclosures can drag out for YEARS because the people who were foreclosed on don't care (they lost their house, after all) and the banks don't file the paperwork to take ownership because then they would be responsible for the fines/taxes/upkeep. It is an UGLY mess. Ultimately, the fines go with the property - 'wherever' IT goes.

jmo

I do sympathise - I had the exact same problem myself. A very wise, nice person gave me some sound advice once, when I was worried sick about a house. He said; 'A house is worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it, no more, no less.'*
I know it's worrying if you have a large mortgage, but I've definitely given up worrying if it is 'worth' investing in a house - if you love it and you're happy there, then yes it is!
I am curious as to the state of affairs around the Windflower house; what kind of mess (not physical) might have been left behind there, and what tensions may have resulted with those responsible for clearing it up.

 

[believe09]

Our SAR professionals are putting together a triage flyer response for missing persons cases. I put a link in my siggy, but please take a moment to see what it is all about by following this LINK

Even if you cant be part of the distribution group, it would be fantastic to point some of our fellow sleuthers to this effort. It is a remarkably effective tool for the recovery of people. Come read all about it!!!

:tyou:

 

[Oriah]

Thanks, believe. We are currently discussing it with admin, so as to make sure it works for everyone. In the meantime, please ya'll- keep checking in for updates?

I've even wondered if flyers could be useful in Mr. Harrod's case- even after so much time has passed. Someone may have seen something that day/night that they never even thought about, or didn't realize it could be connected to a missing person in their community.

 

[zwiebel]

Now I think that's a good idea. Just can't think how they could be phrased though, to make sure the information that's needed in this case could be elicited, if you get my drift?

 

[zwiebel]

Well, I have been thinking and I haven't managed to come up with anything. Don't flyers usually take the kind of format of ; 'Did you see anything suspicious that day, any unfamiliar vehicles or visitors?'
I'm not so sure we don't need information going in exactly the opposite direction. Also, it's what might have been happening around houses other than Bob's that day, that interest me. I don't see any way of asking without opening up a whole load of trouble and possibly, tlcox's can of worms - the trouble might not get me running for the hills, but the worms certainly will do!

 

[GrainneDhu]

Thanks, believe. We are currently discussing it with admin, so as to make sure it works for everyone. In the meantime, please ya'll- keep checking in for updates?

I've even wondered if flyers could be useful in Mr. Harrod's case- even after so much time has passed. Someone may have seen something that day/night that they never even thought about, or didn't realize it could be connected to a missing person in their community.

That is a good idea.

I don't recall the details of how to do it but there is a way one can buy a specific area code and send snailmail to every address within that area code.

For something like this, I think that would be ideal. The population most likely to have some information would be people who lived near Bob; either within sight of his house or people who drove by his house regularly.

Placentia has two zip codes, 92870 and 92871. I doubt getting a bulk mail permit would be cost effective for such a project but just being able to send to the entire zip code would be helpful.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Now I think that's a good idea. Just can't think how they could be phrased though, to make sure the information that's needed in this case could be elicited, if you get my drift?

I would start with a short recap of Bob and Fontelle's meeting and marriage, in order to "sell" the story to each person. Maybe a cut line on the outside of the flyer (under the address) something like "Honeymoon Mystery, Your Help Needed."

Then two pictures of Bob, one full face, one profile (there's one of him on the phone with Fontelle that would be perfect for a profile shot).

Then a short list of questions aimed at eliciting information, such as:

*Do you recall anything that seemed a bit unusual in that neighbourhood in the week leading up to Bob's disappearance?

*Did you see anything that looked like a delivery being made to or picked from Bob's house that day?

End up with the PPD address and the name of the detective on the case.

Plus an assurance that even if it doesn't seem important or relevant, any information from that day in the area may be important. Please contact Det at (phone number).

 

[zwiebel]

Mail would certainly be better than pinned flyers that might be pulled down, and we obviously have the expertise here to phrase the things right, so I can stop straining my brain.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if it could be done to coincide with 'Disappeared'.

 

[believe09]

Mail would certainly be better than pinned flyers that might be pulled down, and we obviously have the expertise here to phrase the things right, so I can stop straining my brain.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if it could be done to coincide with 'Disappeared'.

I think there will be a little bit of media to go along with the Disappeared episode.

 

[zwiebel]

Oh, I do hope so. And I'm hoping you know so.

 

[believe09]

What is the point about having a national audience for Bob's story if we dont spread the word far and wide on the ground that this disappearance occurred and that the show is coming?

 

[zwiebel]

I saw something really good posted on another thread ( don't worry, not starting my word search thing again) where someone came up with an important event, to try and help a witness recall what they had been doing on a certain day. Was there anything going on the day Bob disappeared that might cause that day to have stuck in people's minds?

Sorry, know that's a really vague question and the US is a big place, but maybe a local might recall something - even if it was only a fancy dress parade or a highway closure that might have caused people to change their routine and the day to stick in their minds. I've tried googling from over here but all I've managed to come up with is that it was just about a month before the cash-for-clunkers programme ended, so people might have been rushing to purchase a new vehicle, and two days before the federal minimum wage rose from $6.55 to $7.25. I'm having trouble finding archives of local events.

Really needs a local with a good memory here.

*Does look like someone might have been flying over San Bernadino way about then, taking ariel photos. Will let you know if I find anything.

 

[zwiebel]

Yep, on 27th July, 2009, looks like a professional photographer was flying over San Bernardino county taking photos of Southern Cal Logistics Airport. It's a long shot but I wonder if he/she still has that file/roll of film and if there were other photos taken that day. Here's the link. Clink on the photo for details.

Southern California Logistics Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia