CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #15

[believe09]

Attached is a revised missing flyer. Please review and let me know if ok or if anything should be changed.

Thanks!

I love it. Fantastic. :blowkiss:

 

[believe09]

I would love to know who has gotten rid of cars since Bob's disappearance, and who has held onto one. I wish I knew for sure if VIN's were flagged in DMV. Let's say a vehicle suspected of being used in a crime is turned in or sold...wouldnt it be something if LE could borrow it from the new owners or the dealership for processing?

On a similar note, one of the first cases I advocated for involved a likely murder of the missing man in a particular home. While the home was owner occupied by a player, the house was off limits to investigators. When the home was sold, investigators stopped by and found the new home owner ripping out some hastily constructed paneling and flooring in the basement. Quick thinking investigators asked the home owner for the construction waste and for permission to process the house. The evidence recovered was quite important...it pays to be patient when you are LE.

 

[zwiebel]

Thanks! I made the changes and posted the revised version above.

Is it ok?

Super! Danke danke!

*Note, the response to the double thanks here is always 'bitte bitte' twice.

So I thank a person twice, and they say please twice......??

It's very confusing, living here.

 

[zwiebel]

My favourite website is talking about some charges I never knew existed - 'propagating a false story'.

Anyone else like the sound of them as much as I do?

(see Buffett, Rachael Mae report, about the eighteenth case down)
http://www.orangecountyda.com/docs/1641332452013casemanagementlist.pdf

 

[zwiebel]

Even more confused now. I looked up what a CMPD officer was, as mentioned in the Buffet case above, and found myself in Mecklenburg, which seems to have moved to the USA.

Give it back you guys, it's not fair. You're bigger than us and you have plenty of towns of your own.

 

[Cubby]

Thanks! I made the changes and posted the revised version above.

Is it ok?

Looks great! Thank you!

 

[Cubby]

My favourite website is talking about some charges I never knew existed - 'propagating a false story'.

Anyone else like the sound of them as much as I do?

(see Buffett, Rachael Mae report, about the eighteenth case down)
http://www.orangecountyda.com/docs/1641332452013casemanagementlist.pdf

From the above link:

"...with the intent to assist <name of perp> avoid and escape from arrest, trial, conviction, and punishment for the felony."

Oh yes, love the sound of those words too! It would be interesting if the story about the BL led to charges for the type of assistance mentioned in the Buffet case. I wouldn't find myself surprised in the least if we discovered those type of charges had been filed in Bob's case. I wouldn't blink an eye or raise an eyebrow if we happened to learn of such....

 

[believe09]

I was reading an article on the Lizzi Marriott disappearance, and look at what I found:

Los Angeles Deputy District Attorney John Lewin, who has secured five first-degree murder convictions in all five "no-body" homicides he's tried, said such cases can sometimes give prosecutors greater latitude at trial to explore the character of the victim &#8212; showing how she wouldn't voluntarily leave family, friends and career behind.

While he would not discuss the Marriott case, he said defendants often convict themselves by giving multiple stories of what happened.

"You only have so much credibility," Lewin said. "You can't come in and argue five different things. But I want a jury to believe him because, when they find out half an hour later from his own mouth that he's a liar, it's three times as bad."

Doesnt this sound familiar?

LINK HERE

 

[believe09]

I would think that under the circumstances, the Harrod women have some things to worry about.

 

[believe09]

Unfortunately, the horror Lizzi experienced resonates a little for me in this case. Maybe not the rope around the neck so much, but oh my. You have to believe that Bob's killer probably didnt want to see his face.

 

[zwiebel]

Interesting, I was looking at some conversations between LE officers (it's okay, they were on a public forum!)

Somebody had asked questions about propagating false stories and lying to police. It was pointed out that no officer in his right mind would request charges, for example, for a murderer who had denied murdering someone when questioned. They said that a defence lawyer would have a field day with that, and even a prosecutor would say that no-one is obliged to convict themselves to police.

What they did say though, is that a conviction like that for someone on the periphery of a serious crime like homicide, can prove very useful down the line. If that person were later called as a witness for the defence for the alleged murderer, their credibility and truthfullness would be in doubt.

I suppose that means that a person lying to protect a murderer can actually, accidentally, help to convict that murderer - as well as getting themselves a criminal conviction too.

 

[noZme]

It seems almost certain we will have to mark Bob's fourth missing anniversary. But I hope and pray he will be home long before the fifth comes along.

It must seem like a liftetime to Mrs Harrod.

Sadly, it has been a lifetime.... the one that Bob & Fontelle planned to be together.

The whirlwind between the phonecall from Fontelle until Bob's disappearance was filled with rediscovery of their "young" love , happiness, companionship & hope for the future. And that was all the time they got.

 

[Cubby]

I was reading an article on the Lizzi Marriott disappearance, and look at what I found:

Los Angeles Deputy District Attorney John Lewin, who has secured five first-degree murder convictions in all five "no-body" homicides he's tried, said such cases can sometimes give prosecutors greater latitude at trial to explore the character of the victim — showing how she wouldn't voluntarily leave family, friends and career behind.

While he would not discuss the Marriott case, he said defendants often convict themselves by giving multiple stories of what happened.

"You only have so much credibility," Lewin said. "You can't come in and argue five different things. But I want a jury to believe him because, when they find out half an hour later from his own mouth that he's a liar, it's three times as bad.



Doesnt this sound familiar?

LINK HERE

I couldn't figure out how to do a quote within a quote so copied from your post, believe'.

What an excellent find! It sounds so familiar, if you didn't post it was for a different case, I'd have thought it was about Bob's case. I guess the target of a timeline will come in handy when this get's to trial.

 

[zwiebel]

As we are discussing coincidences - I hope Bob's daughters have noticed Memorial Day is on the 27th, the same day their father disappeared. And that besides events in Placentia and his old marine base, Camp Pendleton, there is also a Missing Man Flyover taking place at Lake Elsinore. At noon. No maybes about it.

I've written a little article for Bob's site, but I am hoping one of the daughters at least will attend one of these events to hand out flyers. I am sure all the old soldiers bound to be present would be happy to lend a hand. The combination of the date, and the missing man flyover and a former marine lost and needing to come home would surely touch people's hearts. I hope they manage to take this chance to highlight Bob's case, I really do.

 

[Cubby]

It'll never happen, zwie'. As much as I'd like to think otherwise, Bob's daughters actually getting their feet on the ground and actively passing out flyers and searching for their dad is as likely to happen as the Chicago Cubs winning the World Series. The Cubs last won the WS 105 years ago.

If anything, it would be local volunteers who are strangers to Bob like we are who might be willing to pass out flyers and keep Bob's name and face in the public eye.

 

[zwiebel]

Well, I'll just hope some marines and other servicemen will start to hear about his case and lend a hand. I hear the marines are pretty good at taking care of their own.

O/T You must certainly be the loyal type yourself Cubby, if you've been waiting 105 years for a win! English cricket supporters have got that steadfast sort of loyalty too - unfortunately for me.

 

[Cubby]

Thank you, zwie. I have that same type of loyalty for Bob's case too. Whatever it takes and however long it takes.

 

[Opie]

I'm not a sports fan, but share that loyalty to Bob's case for as long as it takes.

 

[zwiebel]

If it meant bringing Bob home, I'd be willing to listen to the cricket scores for the rest of my life. If you don't think that would be any great sacrifice on my part, have a look here;

http://live2.cricbuzz.com/live/scorecard/11444/England-vs-New-Zealand-2nd-Test

 

[zwiebel]

That was bad timing. I had the cricket scores open on my computer just as Mr Z walked by. My ears have just been frazzled. Legovers, for a duck, sticky wickets; none of it makes an ounce of sense to me at all.