CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 3

[believe09]

I wonder how they know the wallet and keys are missing? Who reported them missing, I guess is my question?

 

[Cubby]

Quote:
Originally Posted by cloudajo
Daughter PB posted on a forum yesterday that a year ago today a group of family members again went through the neighborhood where Bob lived and put up “corrected fliers that were done with the help of Project Jason.”

From the Project Jason flier:

CIRCUMSTANCES
Robert was last seen by his son-in-law at his home in Placentia, CA between 11:00 a.m. - 12:00 p.m. His keys and wallet are gone, but his car was left behind.

http://www.projectjason.org/aan/AAN_RobertHarrod.pdf

To this day they have not corrected the timeline!

So the Daughters and SIL are then saying the last time they saw Bob is both 11:00am-12:00am AND 2:30pm? It is one or the other, how can it be both? And why is there still NO correction to the flier and NO correction on the screwed up timeline?

ETA: what about the call one of the daughters placed to her dad saying she over heard SIL saying he was going to the hardware store between 12 and 1? That is THREE DIFFERENT last seen times put out there from this family. Ay yi yi!

:banghead: :banghead:

What this tells me is someone is interested in getting the public to forget there are several hours of SIL's time not accounted for other than the breif trip to the hardware store.

SIL has a cell phone correct? If so does LE have a ping map for his where abouts that day?
Did LE do ping maps for other family members, DD's and grandson for example for that day?

How is SIL trying to account for the rest of the hours that day?

JMO


ETA: Link to post Cloudajo is refering to in the above quoted post:

In Session Message Boards - View Single Post - Bob Harrod, 81, the newlywed missing 7/2009

 

[Cubby]

Yeah-the well being check has me puzzled. Should I stop mentioning that, lol? I wish we knew where grandson was between 6PM Monday night and Midnight that he was unavailable to go check on his GF or to have his wife etc...the sisters called each other-why not him? SO confused.

So original reports were that one of the daughters indicated Bob's most commonly worn glasses were in the house. Huh. So if he headed out the door in a hurry, he had a hat on his head but not his glasses?

Well that makes no sense at all.

BBM. Me too. It seems strange there was never any mention his mom didn't say go check on Grandpa. It would seem logical the first thing family would do is call the family member living closest to Bob to go looking for him yet there is never any mention they contacted grandson to go look for grandpa. Why is that? Could they have already known Bob was not going to be found? Hence the need for the 'well being check' rather than asking family to check? (that we know of)

jmo

 

[Angelo]

I wonder how they know the wallet and keys are missing? Who reported them missing, I guess is my question?

At least one of the daughters, JM, was at the house the following day changing the sheets and giving her noon to one o'clock timeline to a reporter.

She may be the source for the missing wallet and keys. Unless her husband, the SIL, is the source. He may have said he noticed them missing when he returned from the Home Depot.

 

[Angelo]

BBM. Me too. It seems strange there was never any mention his mom didn't say go check on Grandpa. It would seem logical the first thing family would do is call the family member living closest to Bob to go looking for him yet there is never any mention they contacted grandson to go look for grandpa. Why is that? Could they have already known Bob was not going to be found? Hence the need for the 'well being check' rather than asking family to check? (that we know of)

jmo

Especially since the grandson lives less than half a mile from Mr. Harrod's house.

A neighbor also had a key. There is no report that they were called and asked to check on Mr. Harrod.

This is an eighty-one-year-old man.

 

[Cubby]

You do have a point. Just the same, first off, most murderers are 'novice', for better or worse, so I'm not sure how valuable the distinction is. Second, (*and this is under some assumptions about what might have taken place*) not all novice murderers (or murders, full stop) have the ease of an elderly, trusting victim, private in a residence. Again, speaking hypothetically, if the murderer knew the victim's habits (perhaps was even coached on them by another party), and had (as may be the case, given the wonky timeline) hours to sort out the details, I wouldn't think it too hard to collect a couple items that the victim was known to take with him out of the house.

It may be argued that someone who is responsible for and would profit from a victim's death (beyond that of a disappearance) might want the victim's body to be discovered immediately. While this is true, I would imagine the party responsible would also hope not to be tied to the putative crime, and might hope that LE would stagger in their investigation. In that event, the best possible solution for that would be to have a missing person who is presumed dead for legal/estate purposes.

Again, not pointing fingers -- just looking at how the field of possibilities, means, motives, and opportunities could play out. (And still curious if family has offered a reward.)

Excellent post! and no news on if the family has offered a reward that I could find.

 

[hoppyfrog]

Montjoy!

You are new to WS!

Welcome!

 

[Cubby]

At least one of the daughters, JM, was at the house the following day changing the sheets and giving her noon to one o'clock timeline to a reporter.

She may be the source for the missing wallet and keys. Unless her husband, the SIL, is the source. He may have said he noticed them missing when he returned from the Home Depot.

If he noticed them missing he must have then seen both the wallet and keys in their usual place, near the door IIRC as one of the daughters posted her dad usually left the keys and waller there, before he left to confirm Bob did in fact take his keys and wallet. Or were they just not found when they searched the house to see if anything was missing?

jmo

 

[Cubby]

Montjoy!

You are new to WS!

Welcome!

Welcome Montjoy! How rude of me to not welcome you sooner. Sorry :blushing:

:Welcome-12-june:

 

[Montjoy]

In my own experience, being given a key means in part that one is someone trusted to do things like a 'well-being check'. I remember in my teens that it didn't take long for my father to check in on my grandmother when we couldn't contact her after returning from a trip. Of course, had my grandmother been at home and alive, my dad might have ended up feeling a bit awkward after unlocking her door, but I would expect that feeling would have been fleeting as he was motivated out of concern, and relief would have washed it away. But he also would not have considered that he was entering a place where a crime had been committed (as he was not), so we had no reservations about going over there. Perhaps Bob's family felt differently -- I can't guess. But recourse to an official 'well-being check' seems so formal to me that I can't help but think formality (or an official response) was what was desired.

What would be the worst thing that could happen from a family check on the residence? "Oops, sorry to wake you up, Dad, but we were worried about you!" To me, that wouldn't be anything to worry about in the least.

 

[Cubby]

In my own experience, being given a key means in part that one is someone trusted to do things like a 'well-being check'. I remember in my teens that it didn't take long for my father to check in on my grandmother when we couldn't contact her after returning from a trip. Of course, had my grandmother been at home and alive, my dad might have ended up feeling a bit awkward after unlocking her door, but I would expect that feeling would have been fleeting as he was motivated out of concern, and relief would have washed it away. But he also would not have considered that he was entering a place where a crime had been committed (as he was not), so we had no reservations about going over there. Perhaps Bob's family felt differently -- I can't guess. But recourse to an official 'well-being check' seems so formal to me that I can't help but think formality (or an official response) was what was desired.

What would be the worst thing that could happen from a family check on the residence? "Oops, sorry to wake you up, Dad, but we were worried about you!" To me, that wouldn't be anything to worry about in the least.

Makes sense but according to SIL Bob was there when he left for the hardware store and missing when he returned. If there was any concerns about a car lurking around he let the maid into the home without feeling the need to have police come and check the place before entering. He obviously felt Bob was 'safe' enough for him to leave at 6pm and go home without first calling any family or police before going home. It just seems weird that everyone called, but no one actually went back to Bobs home check the home or the neighborhood themself before calling for a well being check.

I can't think of a single missing persons case here at WS the family was not out searching on foot, driving the neighborhood or checking known places the missing family member might have gone before calling police for a well being check. And then requesting another family member on the other side of the country call in the missing persons report - if the dd's asked Fontelle to report Bob missing - when the daughters or SIL could have reported Bob missing themself. It almost sounds like Fontelle was set up to be the one to give LE an inaccurate chain of events she was told by the dd's and SIL so that the SIL or DD's wouldn't be on record for giving any false info on a missing persons report. Whether Fontelle was asked directly by the DD's to be the one to call the report in or not, there was a reason they were not the ones to place that call themselves being local.

It's all very odd.

JMO

 

[Montjoy]

Family members have mentioned that they have tried to 'help' Bob in the past (e.g., I guess, pursuing the money he gave his hairdresser?), despite his reluctance to accept such help. I wonder how conducting a 'well-being check' on their own would have been any different from previous efforts? Really -- it's your 81 year old dad (who you later report as having bad knees and signs of dementia (hidden from his friends))-- what if he fell down in the basement? Do you want to wait around when you can go in and check on him?

 

[Cubby]

Family members have mentioned that they have tried to 'help' Bob in the past (e.g., I guess, pursuing the money he gave his hairdresser?), despite his reluctance to accept such help. I wonder how conducting a 'well-being check' on their own would have been any different from previous efforts? Really -- it's your 81 year old dad (who you later report as having bad knees and signs of dementia (hidden from his friends))-- what if he fell down in the basement? Do you want to wait around when you can go in and check on him?

IIRC the home doesn't have a basement but does have a second story. He could have fallen down the stairs..... OT- a friend of mine (RIP the 17th was the 8th anniversary of her passing) had fallen outside while walking her dog and broke her hip. She had laid there near her back door for close to two hours before neighbors arrived home from work and found her.

It's hard for me to understand why LE was not contacted prior to SIL leaving the home with all the concerns the family has posted about people taking advantage of Bob and their expressed concerns for things that looked out of the ordinary that day......

JMO

 

[Sharyne]

Basic, two things if you will indulge me:

Why would the hairdresser be the most natural suspect? In a month of Sundays, I would not assume that a service person was more likely to disappear someone as opposed to a family member....I am a huge fan of the simplest answer, although I realize that this is not always the truth in every case of course. I cannot square her as having a single motivation for kidnapping or harming someone who may have been helping her.

Secondly, if law enforcement states they have cleared someone as being a suspect we should all be relieved that there is one more person off the table when trying to consider who might be responsible for a disappearance. Beyond that, LE's belief is that there is no stranger involvement in this case. They have access to all of the records-I dont. So yup, I am willing to lean towards that being the truth.

I had a question as to whether or not it was bad reporting on the part of the media that the barber/hairdresser has been cleared-I feel confident that they reported the information accurately now.

In any case, we have to have a framework for discussion here at WS-if someone is cleared as being a suspect why continue to throw things at the wall regarding their involvement? Happy day that the list is smaller.

So then, who has not been cleared?

Has the hairdresser's son been cleared? I wonder, if Bob gave keys to a neighbor (as well as children), was that the one that moved? And if so, did he return his key to Bob or did he leave it with another neighbor to give back to Bob? Could someone have overheard him talking about the key?

 

[Cubby]

The neighbor who had the key was not the one who moved, but a different neighbor who is still in the area.

The Barber and her family are cleared of involvement as earlier stated and posted with links to support them being cleared.

 

[Sharyne]

The neighbor who had the key was not the one who moved, but a different neighbor who is still in the area.

The Barber and her family are cleared of involvement as earlier stated and posted with links to support them being cleared.

Oh ok thanks, since it was posted a neighbor had one, I assumed it was the close friend. As to the 'family' cleared all I recall reading was the hairdresser and her husband, didn't see the son included. Thanks again.

 

[Cubby]

No the son was not mentioned but since the theory that family was involved has been cleared by LE we can safely assume that includes the son.

 

[believe09]

Impatiently waiting to see if there is going to be any additional momentum on this sad case...I wonder if there is any interest on the part of Fontelle or family to approach Disappeared on the ID network???

 

[Angelo]

Family members have mentioned that they have tried to 'help' Bob in the past (e.g., I guess, pursuing the money he gave his hairdresser?), despite his reluctance to accept such help. I wonder how conducting a 'well-being check' on their own would have been any different from previous efforts? Really -- it's your 81 year old dad (who you later report as having bad knees and signs of dementia (hidden from his friends))-- what if he fell down in the basement? Do you want to wait around when you can go in and check on him?

Add to that, the SIL was already there and by his own account Mr. Harrod was missing for three hours when the SIL left the house.

Why would SIL leave and drive all the way home when he was already there?

If the SIL was there doing repairs and left just to go to the store, Mr. Harrod would be expecting him back. Mr. Harrod was also expecting the housekeeper. Why on earth would the SIL not look for him after three hours.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I am bowing out of posting on this thread, BUT, I am looking at all elderly unidentified (deceased) males in every state. I want Bob Harrod to be located and for his daughters to have peace of mind.

JMO