CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 3

[Cubby]

Thanks for your response, Cubby. I have been here since Bob's case first appeared here, I just haven't posted before now.

I think that my thoughts and suspicions are likely following the same path as your's from what I have read. That being said, where there is so much concern and attention being paid to BOB'S money, I seriously doubt that those recipients have any plan at all to ever even consider donating it to charity. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if an attempt is made to spend every last penny of it on future legal fees.

My honest impression is the silver spoon, and half of my dna is came from you and there is no distinction between dna and money.

I've seen one friend who was born into money actually retire at 35...
They would make Bob look like he lived in a trailer.... (let's just say these folks bought up million dollar homes for tear downs to add to their property). It is really odd to just listen to the arguments over what happens upon the death of a parent and an inheritance.

I think there was a whole lot of - ah, dad is 80-81 now. He's lived a good life with mom and a lot of reasoning which was likely easy to do because of his age.

It's almost like a Dr. Kevorkian kind of mentality that I am seeing as 'justification'.....

JMO

and Bob deserved so much more.....

Bob reminds me of my grandpa born in 1912. and all that I learnt from that generation.

I know both Georgia and Fontelle saw a great man.... Sadly, I don't believe if Georgia and Fontelle met they would have any beefs with each other.... and one day they will be chalking it up and asking 'where did we go wrong'?

I am going to say a prayer and ask BOTH women who loved Bob and both women that Bob loved to help us find him.....


jmo

 

[ShowMe]

SNIPPED.....

I've read some pretty nasty media article comments about having Bob jailed for embezzling funds and disregarding his wifes wishes to having him imprisoned for white collar crime. - I am still catching up on the media article comments but who would have interest in having Bob jailed if he is found for not honoring trust issues and... <That stuff actually read like he had signed> some agreement to never marry again.

The link is requested.

 

[Fairy1]

Starting late... we have seen it from the daughters.

Go back and look at some of the daughters comments -carp so much has been removed - and read some of the media comments.

It's a different perspective coming into this a year later.

Who has the most to lose or gain here?

I've read some pretty nasty media article comments about having Bob jailed for embezzling funds and disregarding his wifes wishes to having him imprisoned for white collar crime. - I am still catching up on the media article comments but who would have interest in having Bob jailed if he is found for not honoring trust issues and... <That stuff actually read like he had signed> some agreement to never marry again.

All very strange imo... because what if either Bob or Georgia passed in their 50's? Would Bob or Georgia's wishes have been if one of us dies first let's delete from our marriage vows 'to death do us part'.

I get the heebie jeebies reading what appears to be an argument not only over money but an apparent not 'to death do us part' thing..... upon the death of either spouse in the media comments section.

You know when they talk about what's skin deep? I think we only have what is skin deep behind how deep this case goes......

and what is hidden shall be unhidden.
Nothing will hide the light,
No mountain.....

Justice WILL prevail in this case.
I know it will as much as I said long before the Black Hawks won the Cup this year. I can not explain the feeling, other than it will happen and not so long from now.

jmo

I am quite happy to have "new" eyes here. But WTH about Bob going to jail? White collar crimes??? What? I've never seen any of that!

So, so, so many people have their own agendas to advance in this case. It's so sad. Bottom line.....Bob is STILL missing and is ANYONE LOOKING for him? NO! Not the daughters. Not Fontelle. Not LE.

One of the daughters posted on "another" site that they had contacted Tim Miller of TES and said he was "denied" by LE. The fact is, TES can be called upon by LE OR the family of the missing person. As long as certain requirements are met in the missing persons case, the wishes of the family CAN be met - without permission or support from LE. That was pointed out there, but no response was given.

They do look guilty as *%)(*#)(*.

 

[Fairy1]

IIRC, Bob was NOT a "multi-millionaire." IMO, his assets, particularly in terms of CA, were fairly modest.

That being said, he was married to Georgia for ? years. IMO, whatever assets he had acquired over that period, belonged to both of them. I'm sorry, but I fail to understand how anyone can honestly feel that ANY of that rightfully belongs to Fontelle. And further, I fail to understand how she could, in good conscience, hold the belongings of Bob and Georgia "hostage" in that home to this day.

It's one thing for her to stay there to "wait" for her husband to come home - which I think most of us believe will never happen. It's quite another thing for her to atempt to lay legal claim to that home and all of its contents when she had been Bob's wife for just days. Whatever his "intentions" may have been to include Fontelle in the family trust, it was never legally acted upon.

And so, the fact remains, Bob is still missing and there are a few peeps who wanted what he had.

 

[Montjoy]

The media at least doesn't have any problem distinguishing him as a millionaire -- just do a quick google search and you will see. Historically, assets that are far more modest have been motives for murder.

As for how Fontelle has proceeded in the civil case -- that would seem another matter altogether. She could be acting on her lawyer's recommendations; she could be upset because of what she might know or suspect about his family's involvement in (what IMO will be revealed to be) Bob's murder; she could believe that it was her responsibility to safeguard his belongings until things have sorted themselves out.

Either way, it would appear that her involvement in the civil case has nothing to do with the criminal case. And unless someone has a smoking gun to suggest that Bob was coerced or cajoled into marrying Fontelle, I don't see why anyone would want to discredit or disparage their marriage. Bob chose Fontelle, and she chose him. Fontelle is now his only wife. Considering that it should have been Bob's call to decide what Fontelle deserved, I think it's difficult to sort out what that would be, at this point.

 

[Bennettras]

Another thought. I wonder what repairs were done and why no one has mentioned such. The cleaning lady - being that she was in that home on a regular basis would know what needed repairs and what did not. I wonder what she had to say about the repairs done. Where they all necessary?
Where did SIL dispose of materials he took out of the house that day?

Interesting that no one has ever stated what repairs needed to be done outside of the carpet cleaning.... and things that could have easily covered up evidence of a crime.

JMO

Perhaps that is something LE hasn't released to the public yet. A lot of things in this case make me believe LE knows a lot more than we do. IMHO :angel:

 

[Bennettras]

They are posting as Mr. Harrod.

I have been watching the FB page since daughter P announced its activation last week. They have added and deleted some things, none of which would aid in finding Mr. Harrod. In fact I find what they are doing very disturbing.

One example of Mr. Harrod posting from my screenshots of the page:

Robert Harrod Hi Paul, You are my best friend and I miss you too.

It is an abysmal page at best. The person writing must have severe arthritis and, therefore, is unable to post much there. That whole page is much ado about nothing. Such a travesty. They say money changes everything.

I feel his new wife must be in hiding for her life and sanity. IMHO

 

[Montjoy]

Has anyone else noticed that it seems like comments here have changed the FB page? I remember comments about how disrespectful it was that Bob's marital status was changed to "it's complicated" being posted here, and then shortly afterward, that status was hidden from the public. (And it has happened with subsequent comments here as well.) It seems not only disrespectful (as has been pointed out), but I also wonder whether the current administrator of the FB page thinks that nobody notices, or is smart enough to see what is going on? I have to think or hope that LE is paying attention as well. (And I really, really hope that Bob has at least one daughter who recognizes the injustice and general awfulness of all of this.)

 

[Bennettras]

IIRC, Bob was NOT a "multi-millionaire." IMO, his assets, particularly in terms of CA, were fairly modest.

That being said, he was married to Georgia for ? years. IMO, whatever assets he had acquired over that period, belonged to both of them. I'm sorry, but I fail to understand how anyone can honestly feel that ANY of that rightfully belongs to Fontelle. And further, I fail to understand how she could, in good conscience, hold the belongings of Bob and Georgia "hostage" in that home to this day.

It's one thing for her to stay there to "wait" for her husband to come home - which I think most of us believe will never happen. It's quite another thing for her to atempt to lay legal claim to that home and all of its contents when she had been Bob's wife for just days. Whatever his "intentions" may have been to include Fontelle in the family trust, it was never legally acted upon.

And so, the fact remains, Bob is still missing and there are a few peeps who wanted what he had.

Another spin is that she truly loves him and wants to find out the truth and this is her only leverage. Inheritance is not a right, it is a gift. Many people have been killed for less than what Bob has. IMHO

 

[suzyq211]

The link is requested.

I think the media comments are these?

http://www.ocregister.com/news/-214111--.html?pic=12

Most especially one from October 11, 2009.

 

[suzyq211]

Has anyone else noticed that it seems like comments here have changed the FB page? I remember comments about how disrespectful it was that Bob's marital status was changed to "it's complicated" being posted here, and then shortly afterward, that status was hidden from the public. (And it has happened with subsequent comments here as well.) It seems not only disrespectful (as has been pointed out), but I also wonder whether the current administrator of the FB page thinks that nobody notices, or is smart enough to see what is going on? I have to think or hope that LE is paying attention as well. (And I really, really hope that Bob has at least one daughter who recognizes the injustice and general awfulness of all of this.)

BBM

I vote for smart enough to see what's going on...or got some good advice from someone!!

Along with all the details posted by the daughters everywhere, I believe there was alot on that early page that was very telling. Perhaps we will understand more in the future...I hope so!!!

 

[cloudajo]

I had always thought that the family "meeting" the day before was the first time they had been together since Bob had requested a "break" from the family. It just made sense to me that Bob had asked SIL to come back the next morning to help him around the house. Of course, that wouldn't make sense if they had all parted on poor terms the night before, but that's always been my theory.

I hope so, too. That should certainly help LE nail down the timeline.

Fontelle came to visit Bob for the first time in Placentia on June 23rd. She and Bob were married on June 29th (according to daughter RB’s post on another forum, they didn’t tell their families about the marriage for a couple of days). Fontelle returned to MO on July 7th.

Daughter RB posted on another forum that, before Bob went missing, she only met Fontelle once before she left to to collect her belongings. Daughter JM posted that after Bob “pushed us away around Christmas,…in a nutshell that is what happened until we came down to meet Fontelle he wanted us to be an instant family again.”

 

[cloudajo]

[snipped]
One of the daughters posted on "another" site that they had contacted Tim Miller of TES and said he was "denied" by LE. The fact is, TES can be called upon by LE OR the family of the missing person. As long as certain requirements are met in the missing persons case, the wishes of the family CAN be met - without permission or support from LE. That was pointed out there, but no response was given.

They do look guilty as *%)(*#)(*.

I was wondering about that. But then I went to the TE site I saw the below, so wasn't sure what to make of it.

Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it has been filed with the appropriate law enforcement agency, a case number has been assigned, and law enforcement gives their consent for Texas EquuSearch to become involved. Requests for Texas EquuSearch’s assistance must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/05/report-a-person-missing/

 

[believe09]

IIRC, Bob was NOT a "multi-millionaire." IMO, his assets, particularly in terms of CA, were fairly modest.

That being said, he was married to Georgia for ? years. IMO, whatever assets he had acquired over that period, belonged to both of them. I'm sorry, but I fail to understand how anyone can honestly feel that ANY of that rightfully belongs to Fontelle. And further, I fail to understand how she could, in good conscience, hold the belongings of Bob and Georgia "hostage" in that home to this day.

It's one thing for her to stay there to "wait" for her husband to come home - which I think most of us believe will never happen. It's quite another thing for her to atempt to lay legal claim to that home and all of its contents when she had been Bob's wife for just days. Whatever his "intentions" may have been to include Fontelle in the family trust, it was never legally acted upon.

And so, the fact remains, Bob is still missing and there are a few peeps who wanted what he had.

BBM-I suppose another way to look at this is Fontelle being a gatekeeper. I would like to throw a few things out there-I think we have limited sources for the claims that Fontelle is holding things hostage. And I think that those sources might have their own agenda. JMO. I think that Fontelle is in a unique position to squeeze those who might have some answers to the disappearance of Bob from a different side than, say, law enforcement. If we look at her presence as being a roadblock to Bob's assets, than her function is infinitely useful. If we look at her presence as being a roadblock to any changes being made physically to his house, than her presence is also useful.

Again JMO.

 

[believe09]

A big welcome to the new eyes on Bob's case-we thank you as we try and figure this out....

 

[Angelo]

Do you know for sure SIL was NOT at the meeting the day before? I don't recall ever seeing that info before. Do you mean death threats or legal-type threats?

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From the information written in news articles and postings about the heated Sunday meeting, there never has been mention of the SIL attending. Furthermore, if the SIL and Mr. Harrod had planned the home repair visit during the Sunday meeting, surely daughter P would have been aware of the plan. She did not seem to be.

Ex. Then I realized that my BIL was there and I DID hear him say he was going to the "hardware store".

 

[Angelo]

Has anyone else noticed that it seems like comments here have changed the FB page? I remember comments about how disrespectful it was that Bob's marital status was changed to "it's complicated" being posted here, and then shortly afterward, that status was hidden from the public. (And it has happened with subsequent comments here as well.) It seems not only disrespectful (as has been pointed out), but I also wonder whether the current administrator of the FB page thinks that nobody notices, or is smart enough to see what is going on? I have to think or hope that LE is paying attention as well. (And I really, really hope that Bob has at least one daughter who recognizes the injustice and general awfulness of all of this.)

Yes, they would adjust the Facebook page for Mr. Harrod as we posted about it on this forum.

Some of the things they have done with the FB page, such as having Mr. Harrod posting (as if he is alive) and "liking" things, reminds me of the sort of shenanigans a young child might pull.

It certainly is not a Facebook page I would envision being created from loving family members who are concerned about a missing person.

 

[Montjoy]

Re-reading one of the articles --

http://www.ocregister.com/news/-214111--.html

-- I noted two things worth mentioning again.

First, regarding Bob's assets, LE declared that Bob was a 'multi-millionaire'. (I mention this as it has been suggested his assets were 'modest'.)

Second, although many accounts have suggested that the meeting was 'heated', daughter R said this at the time: ""It wasn't a heated meeting," she said in a phone interview. "Dad got heated. He's very selfish, very conditional. The day before he went missing in the afternoon, he was going to provide us copies of the will, and we went over to get the copies. He didn't have them.""

Yes, blame Bob -- call him 'selfish' and 'conditional' regarding his own estate. I do wonder how only one person could be 'heated' and 'conditional' in such a discussion. I suppose it is possible, but it just doesn't seem plausible, considering how willing his daughter was to insult him when recalling this.

 

[Angelo]

My honest impression is the silver spoon, and half of my dna is came from you and there is no distinction between dna and money.

I've seen one friend who was born into money actually retire at 35...
They would make Bob look like he lived in a trailer.... (let's just say these folks bought up million dollar homes for tear downs to add to their property). It is really odd to just listen to the arguments over what happens upon the death of a parent and an inheritance.

I think there was a whole lot of - ah, dad is 80-81 now. He's lived a good life with mom and a lot of reasoning which was likely easy to do because of his age.

It's almost like a Dr. Kevorkian kind of mentality that I am seeing as 'justification'.....

JMO

and Bob deserved so much more.....

Bob reminds me of my grandpa born in 1912. and all that I learnt from that generation.

I know both Georgia and Fontelle saw a great man.... Sadly, I don't believe if Georgia and Fontelle met they would have any beefs with each other.... and one day they will be chalking it up and asking 'where did we go wrong'?
I am going to say a prayer and ask BOTH women who loved Bob and both women that Bob loved to help us find him.....


jmo

BBM

I agree.

 

[believe09]

I guess my perspective on the financials is that the money was his...either in safekeeping until his demise, or outright his depending on which money we are discussing. The bypass trust is pretty flexible-he was free to draw off of it...yes there are certain accounting pieces in place, but it is unlikely any of his expenses could have been seriously challenged by anyone who chose to contest them.

I think that all of us on all sides of this question can agree that is likely the financial piece that led to Bob's disappearance. Either acutely or because the frustration had built up over time. Regardless of who you think is responsible, it seems logical that money was the trigger. JMVHO.

This one man was pivotal in the financial and emotional lives of quite a few people-his children, at least one grandson and friends. The only x factor in terms of standing to gain is Fontelle because nothing was in place. It makes absolutely no sense that she would have been motivated by money to remove Bob before they lived together for a period of time.

So, given the period of time we have available to us, where would someone have taken this much missed man and disposed of him? Let's take a 4 hour 45 minute window for the sake of argument...housekeeper calls at 10AM and SIL arrives at Home Depot. Let's draw a big circle....what makes sense? We will say the perp is in a hurry, but has a plan.