CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - # 3

[believe09]

One more question...can anyone remind me of who has spouses or had them at the time of the disappearance? Outside of Bob and JM....

OK two questions-grandson changed his last name from Michaels to Harrod. Wonder why?? Any input CA Exile??

 

[dreamweaver]

One more question...can anyone remind me of who has spouses or had them at the time of the disappearance? Outside of Bob and JM....

OK two questions-grandson changed his last name from Michaels to Harrod. Wonder why?? Any input CA Exile??

As far as I know, only Bob and JM were married at the time of his disappearance.

I don't know why the grandson changed his name. Actually, I was unaware that he had done so.

I just checked FB pages. Yes, grandson is listed as last name Harrod.

Robert Harrod FB page is now listing only two posts.
?

 

[dreamweaver]

I was wondering about that. But then I went to the TE site I saw the below, so wasn't sure what to make of it.

Special note: Texas EquuSearch can only accept a missing person case if it has been filed with the appropriate law enforcement agency, a case number has been assigned, and law enforcement gives their consent for Texas EquuSearch to become involved. Requests for Texas EquuSearch’s assistance must be made by the family of the missing person and/or the law enforcement agency handling the case.

http://texasequusearch.org/2009/05/report-a-person-missing/

This is the way TES has always operated.
They have to have LE cooperation in ordrer to do a search.

If PPD is doing all they can to find out what happened to Robert Harrod,
then ... there is a reason they felt they did not need TES's help.

 

[Montjoy]

Some guesses as to why PPD might have rejected TES:

-- a not-uncommon desire to protect their professional turf, rejecting outside help because it implies they need it. (I hope this is not the case.)

-- a strong belief that TES could not find Bob within the range they would search, coupled with a desire to communicate to those guilty that they know Bob could not be within that range by rejecting the search as unnecessary.

I don't know if either is the case -- there could be some logistical issues of which I'm unaware, or perhaps PPD doesn't know enough about TES's work. If it were either reason, I would hope it was the latter, as it would imply that the PPD knows much more than they are letting on. (In the spirit of conducting an exhaustive search, I would of course hope that they would avail themselves of all resources.)

 

[believe09]

I am not pointing fingers here, but another reason would be based on the credibility of the story they have been told. If the commanders at TES were not given sufficient information to help target a search, they cannot waste resources by trying to cover 600 square miles...kwim? A year ago, there would have been good reason to take a look for an endangered elderly man....but LE would have likely had their own SAR looking for him. To date we have no information that SAR searches have NOT been done other than various vague postings around the internet. IIRC.

 

[believe09]

I have to say, I would love to know when LE figured they were not looking for a groom with cold feet....because from that moment is when they were really free to investigate...critical time was lost-which is not the fault of PPD. Seeing as how they were guided...

 

[believe09]

If you have archived any of the comment sections from coverage of Bob's case and/or any of the now defunct threads or FB, let's share the information here so that we can level the playing field. I checked with Admin, and it is OK to reproduce as long as we provide the original link. If there are copyright issues with any of the material, please reproduce 10%...

Anyone else game for this?

 

[eachandevery]

I've been trying to keep up with this thread, but I'm sure I've missed bits and pieces here and there. Anyway, I was just wondering if the link to a news story KTLA did on Bob and Fontelle has been posted. It's a video interview with Bob, and is titled "Couple Reunites After Six Decades Apart". After watching the interview, I don't believe Bob ever had a case of cold feet.

I never have luck with tiny url, but I'll give it a shot: http://tiny.cc/ibhqc

The Robert M MySpace page from August 15th, 2009, lists the mood as "good" with a smiley face next to it. I don't quite understand that part, since he did go missing in July.

 

[believe09]

Thank you, each!!!!! (and you link worked for me!!)

 

[eachandevery]

Ah, I'm glad the link worked! I'm not sure how long that video will be on the website, so you might want to grab it.

I should add that the link to the video came from an article about Bob's disappearance in the Los Angeles Times.

"A Love Story Turned Mystery": http://tiny.cc/vtfmi

ETA: If I'm supposed to post the actual link, and not just the tiny url ones, I apologize. The original ones are rather lengthy, and I'm afraid of blowing the margins.

 

[Montjoy]

The Robert M MySpace page from August 15th, 2009, lists the mood as "good" with a smiley face next to it. I don't quite understand that part, since he did go missing in July.

IMO, that was an attempt to sell the 'cold feet' story. How we should expect Bob or his family (if we were to presume they were administering the page) to be 'good'/happy if he was missing under any other circumstances is beyond me. I can only imagine the 'good' is meant to imply 'liberated'. The video you linked should remove any doubts that the 'cold feet' story is nonsense.

 

[believe09]

OMG-I am apparently an ageist!!! Who knew? I had visions of Bob working with facebook akin to my older parent who gave up after about 3 days...and she is very very plugged in.

If that was an attempt to make people believe he was expressing himself via facebook, well I am truly gobsmacked.

 

[Fairy1]

This is the way TES has always operated.
They have to have LE cooperation in ordrer to do a search.

If PPD is doing all they can to find out what happened to Robert Harrod,
then ... there is a reason they felt they did not need TES's help.

Thank you - and my apologies. I understood it to mean the request could come from either family or LE - as long as the proper requirements in reporting a missing person had been fulfilled with LE.

Though I am confused as to why LE would have refused the request as it seems they haven't conducted any searches for over a year now. If it's a matter of manpower, you would think they'd welcome TES!

 

[believe09]

Thank you - and my apologies. I understood it to mean the request could come from either family or LE - as long as the proper requirements in reporting a missing person had been fulfilled with LE.

Though I am confused as to why LE would have refused the request as it seems they haven't conducted any searches for over a year now. If it's a matter of manpower, you would think they'd welcome TES!

It's a fair question, Fairy...I can tell you I have been on the other side of this equation, and typically LE cannot recommend them coming in unless they have an area to search. Let's speculate a little and say that LE has checked out Bob's house pretty thoroughly. What are some other areas he might have ended up? I am certain LE has ping records etc...unless they can narrow down an area and make it worthwhile, they are unlikely to use the resource....why waste the money for TES?

Thats why I asked about retention ponds, bodies of water, the park, the golf course etc...when I first started posting on the threads. If we can find some likely spots within a 4-5 hour window, accepting the housekeeper's phone call and then appearance at the house as the framework for the time, maybe we can come up with some likely locations. Not that the detectives havent done this already, but we have fresh eyes.

Anyone help SIL dispose of a refrigerator, cooler or something fairly large that day? Was there construction dumpsters around in the area where a truck pulling up and dumping what looked like some kind of demolition or housing material wouldnt be questioned?

 

[dreamweaver]

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jul/31/local/me-missing-groom31

One of the news articles in the first week.

 

[dreamweaver]

I've been trying to keep up with this thread, but I'm sure I've missed bits and pieces here and there. Anyway, I was just wondering if the link to a news story KTLA did on Bob and Fontelle has been posted. It's a video interview with Bob, and is titled "Couple Reunites After Six Decades Apart". After watching the interview, I don't believe Bob ever had a case of cold feet.

I never have luck with tiny url, but I'll give it a shot: http://tiny.cc/ibhqc

The Robert M MySpace page from August 15th, 2009, lists the mood as "good" with a smiley face next to it. I don't quite understand that part, since he did go missing in July.

I set up the initial MySpace page and there was not a smiley face on there at that time.

I did put links on that site.

 

[Fairy1]

It's a fair question, Fairy...I can tell you I have been on the other side of this equation, and typically LE cannot recommend them coming in unless they have an area to search. Let's speculate a little and say that LE has checked out Bob's house pretty thoroughly. What are some other areas he might have ended up? I am certain LE has ping records etc...unless they can narrow down an area and make it worthwhile, they are unlikely to use the resource....why waste the money for TES?

Thats why I asked about retention ponds, bodies of water, the park, the golf course etc...when I first started posting on the threads. If we can find some likely spots within a 4-5 hour window, accepting the housekeeper's phone call and then appearance at the house as the framework for the time, maybe we can come up with some likely locations. Not that the detectives havent done this already, but we have fresh eyes.

Anyone help SIL dispose of a refrigerator, cooler or something fairly large that day? Was there construction dumpsters around in the area where a truck pulling up and dumping what looked like some kind of demolition or housing material wouldnt be questioned?

Thank you! The "window" is what we need to focus on, IMO. It sounds as if the immediate area is heavily residential. Dolly has mentioned a sort of "junkyard" nearby that she felt should be searched. I don't believe we know what areas, specifically, have been searched. But if we're looking at at 4 - 5 hour window, Bob could be anywhere. I'm hoping cell phone pings will narrow it down, but we're not privvy to that info on this case.

The thing is, if LE has the cell phone info, WHY haven't searches been conducted? Or have they?

There is too little info available to us on this case.

 

[cloudajo]

Last Updated: 11/26/2009

http://www.myspace.com/robertharrodmissing/blog

 

[cloudajo]

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Thats why I asked about retention ponds, bodies of water, the park, the golf course etc...when I first started posting on the threads. If we can find some likely spots within a 4-5 hour window, accepting the housekeeper's phone call and then appearance at the house as the framework for the time, maybe we can come up with some likely locations. Not that the detectives havent done this already, but we have fresh eyes.

I'm working on a map to show points within range of 2 hours, 20 min of driving time (one way) from Bob's house (assumes no traffice since not rush hour). That would be 4 hours 40 min total. Will that work?

 

[eachandevery]

I set up the initial MySpace page and there was not a smiley face on there at that time.

I did put links on that site.

I'm sorry if I offended you, dreamweaver. Anything to bring attention to Bob's disappearance is a good thing, and I thank you for doing it. I noticed that there are many links included on the MySpace; it was the "good" mood and smiley face that threw me off.

This is what I see when I click on the link: http://www.myspace.com/robertharrodmissing