CA - Elliot Rodger kills 6, injures 13 in Isla Vista, Near UC Santa Barbara, #1

[Dmacky]

and then that would mean we will never know,
Iguess we could rule out if we find out time
of deaths for each one and they were far
apart in time

They would of had to be done separately, IMO ~ ER was a very small guy/monster. We aren't the only ones that don't understand CARIIS. Here is a an article where a upstairs neighbor is wondering the same thing.


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2014...to-befriend-rodgers-but-he-was-very-troubled/

from the article above

Meanwhile, outside Rodger’s apartment building CBS2′s Greg Mills spoke to a neighbor who knew all the men.

“I don’t understand how he could have like overpowered three guys, all at the same time without any of them making a sound,” said the neighbor. “Cause I was right upstairs all night.”

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

BBM ~
I am confused by this too. How could he overpower three people in his apartment? Maybe he had them at gunpoint??

I, too, wonder how he overpowered three young men...

I wonder if toxicology reports will reveal "drugging" of some kind by ER?

:waitasec:

 

[Archangel7]

In one of the articles linked on this forum, there is a photo or ER with what looks like classmates. Says he was 7 and his hair was dyed blonde. Who does this to a 7 year old or who allows a 7 year old to do this?! I think we are going to see some nasty skeletons fall out of closets before this is over!

Yup. I believe it will reveal more about the two that spawned this freak.

I've seen it way too many times...Someone with money but no time to raise their kid. They throw money and things at him so daddy and mommy can have quality time, isolating the kid.

Kid grows up with zero social skills or interaction, no love. Reminds me of a Harlow primate experiment in zoology class.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Most likely at gunpoint, and cornered!

I believe I read somewhere that ER planned on knocking his roommates out with a hammer first before murdering them. Sorry, no linky.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Wonder if the car was registered to him?

Good question...

IIRC... (Per manifesto) mom bought the BMW for him... But I do not recall him saying that it was registered to HIM?

:waitasec:

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Why is it astounding? He was well educated and from a well to do family. OCD is a form of anxiety disorder. Adam Lanza had OCD. It doesn't affect intelligence or the ability to write grammatically correct sentences.

astounding that a near 140 page manifesto had such little errors...

his attention to detail is evident...

And... I am all too familiar with OCD... Personally speaking...

 

[SuziQ]

BBM ~
I am confused by this too. How could he overpower three people in his apartment? Maybe he had them at gunpoint??

He attacks them separately as they arrive at the apt. He attacks them in their sleep. He drugs them. Etc.

There have been mass killings in the past where these methods have been used to kill as many as a dozen people. Sometimes guns are involved. Sometimes knives, baseball bats, or anything that can cause blunt force trauma.

Also fire is a weapon for a lot of mass killings.

 

[HMSHood]

Also weird that he remembers this incident as every single one of the girls being beautiful blondes. Talk about a crazy obsession! Living in Southern California I seriously doubt if even half the girls were blonde. Not to mention the trend here is to dye your hair brunette.

He makes no mention of brunettes and redheads. He is likely not attracted to them. It is always blonde and obsesses about them. His aggression should raise a red flag right there.

 

[Paladine]

And according to the article, it says that ER was a very mentally sick boy and had been to a therapist since the age of 8 (almost daily at times). It says that he had been diagnosed with Asperger's as well.

The article claims that his father is blaming it on guns (I feel worth mentioning the father's validity in the easy accessibility for obtaining guns-and of course the article is a UK paper) yet I also feel the father should be mindful and cautious about throwing blame around.

Afterall, the father did allow a very mentally unstable young man to move out of his house with very little support. It almost feels like his parents couldn't deal with his anger and pathology any longer so they tossed their hands up, let the dice roll, and society as a whole is the unsuspecting victim.

I understand parent's denial about their children but seriously, this has to stop. ER was never going to be a self-supporting, functioning part of our society. The symptoms of the gravity of his illness appeared a long time ago.

If ER did, indeed, hear voices, as the above article reports... This puts him in a whole 'nother level of mental illness than what has been discussed on this thread...

JMO

The drug he mentions Dr Sophy rec'd in the writings was Risperidone, it is used for hearing voices...and also for bi-polar, that is why I take it. I have thoughts that I'm not good enough, not doing enough, I feel inferior...it has taken all those thoughts away.

"Risperidone is used to relieve the symptoms of schizophrenia and some other mental health problems. Such symptoms include hearing, seeing or sensing things that are not real, having mistaken beliefs and unusual suspiciousness. It is also used to treat disruptive behaviour or agitation where this becomes a danger to self or to others.

Risperidone works on the balance of chemical substances which act on the nervous system in your brain."

http://www.patient.co.uk/medicine/risperidone

 

[HMSHood]

After page 99 the reading gets harder.

Does anybody think he could have been helped at all? I don't think even with the very best psychiatric help that he could have got over his hatred of everybody. Even if medication could help with any 'voices in his head' he would always hear his own voice so would continue to have twisted thoughts.

I've never at any point read that he ever loved anybody - not his mother, father, sister, brother, nannies or his ex friends.

My impression is that he is so consumed by hatred. Even when he is sick or injured, he says the physical pain is nothing compared to his extreme anger and hatred.

His relationship with his family is poor for the most part and gets worse as he gets older. He is using them for his own gain. Nothing more. I notice when he loses friends, it stems from his hostilities which repulses them.

He talks about how people should be attracted to him because is from British aristocracy. I would think almost everyone has some aristocratic background somewhere in the family tree.

I do not think he could be helped at all. I am not sure if he heard voices in his head.

 

[jjenny]

Risperidone is also used for behavioral problems in people with autism.

"Risperidone is also used to treat behavior problems such as aggression, self-injury, and sudden mood changes in teenagers and children 5 to 16 years of age who have autism (a condition that causes repetitive behavior, difficulty interacting with others, and problems with communication). "

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a694015.html

 

[Paladine]

Good question...

IIRC... (Per manifesto) mom bought the BMW for him... But I do not recall him saying that it was registered to HIM?

:waitasec:

From my memory, Moms boyfriend Jack bought her a new car and she gave ER her old one, which I presumed was the BMW. Anyone else recall that?

 

[jjenny]

From my memory, Moms boyfriend Jack bought her a new car and she gave ER her old one, which I presumed was the BMW. Anyone else recall that?

No, I believe BMW he got was new.
"I didn't want it to come to this," Rodger said. "I desperately wanted a way out." He then immediately talks about his mother giving him a new car — a BMW coupe."
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/24/shooting-california-santa-barbara/9532405/

 

[CARIIS]

So, is it untreated mental illness or guns? Do we have the cart before the horse here in our culture?

So, is the real question here is this about guns or the nations inability and or want to understand mental illness, to learn what mental illness is, how it manifests itself, (only the most acute are behaving in ways our society says is the only real form of mental illness) take it seriously and put in place real intervention.



So I looked at some mass school shootings. Here are the facts. Graduate students, law school folk, nurses, PHD participants – all suffering with mental illness and killing. Any of these look( dirty/unshaven) like the homeless on a street corner, or behaving, (having a heated discussion with the sidewalk)?.

We do have to admit, that many in our nation hold those beliefs about the issue.


TJ Lane: Had long criminal background – aggressive. In court his affect and behavior completely inappropriate (mental illness). Smiling when given 3 life sentences is clearly dedicative of emotional regulation issues, awareness issues, in ability to feel for others

So I looked at some mass school shootings. Here are the facts. Graduate students, law school folk, nurses, PHD participants – all suffering with mental illness and killing. Any of these look like the homeless on a street corner having a heated discussion with the sidewalk?.

Steven Kazmierczak: Grad student, dispels the notion that those suffering , do not “look” the way Americans think it does. He was on meds, had placement as a high school student

Christopher Williams, PTSD,

Jason McLaughlin : Differing conclusions: Major Depression or Schizophrenia

Jeff Weise: Major Depression

Robert Flores: Nurse (again mental illness does not look like what this country things – very few are running around talking to walls. However, I think we call conclude that running around killing people is a good indicator of issues.

Peter Odighizuwa: Law student graduate – Paranoid with delusions.

Kip Kinkel Dyslexia

Michael Carneal Paranoia/ Delusional Disorder

http://www.keyt.com/news/10056162

 

[Quester]

The manifesto was written recently, I presume, so all reflections, observations, storytelling, memories, etc. were through the filter of this "very disturbed" 22 yo.

Would be interesting to hear, from some of those named, their version of those described incidences.

 

[Paladine]

Risperidone is also used for behavioral problems in people with autism.

"Risperidone is also used to treat behavior problems such as aggression, self-injury, and sudden mood changes in teenagers and children 5 to 16 years of age who have autism (a condition that causes repetitive behavior, difficulty interacting with others, and problems with communication). "

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a694015.html

In my experience, it has been a great drug. I was off work for the last 3 months, I had just been promoted and was having thoughts that I wasn't good enough, thought people thought me uncapable, it caused a great depression. Since taking that drug, for a week now, all those thoughts are gone and I am returning to work next week. I never thought it could happen. The right medication can help many. I never give up on the mentally ill and throw in the towel, although unfortunately there are many too sick to live among us. I just wonder how things might have turned out if he would have given it a try.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://mashable.com/2014/05/25/elliot-rodger-profile/

 

[jjenny]

My impression is that he is so consumed by hatred. Even when he is sick or injured, he says the physical pain is nothing compared to his extreme anger and hatred.

His relationship with his family is poor for the most part and gets worse as he gets older. He is using them for his own gain. Nothing more. I notice when he loses friends, it stems from his hostilities which repulses them.

He talks about how people should be attracted to him because is from British aristocracy. I would think almost everyone has some aristocratic background somewhere in the family tree.

I do not think he could be helped at all. I am not sure if he heard voices in his head.

He likely was very unpleasant person to be around. Considering how jealous he was about other people successes.
Which is, I presume, why he lost all his friends as he became older.
I don't think anything could have fixed him.

 

[human]

I agree, Isabelle.

I believe ER was giving "warning signals" for many, many years. Some may be unwilling to talk about them (and we shall see) due to fear of lawsuits and emotional repurcussions. It's not easy to admit now if you're a friend, family member, mental health practioner, or law enforcement that yes.....you knew he was really ill. Because the next question is---when did you see these ill behaviors, what did you do or not do, and how are we to learn prevention from another ER-type tragedy?

In my opinion, we can not just toss seriously mentally ill young adults out on the street with a hope and prayer that they make it and don't harm themselves or anyone else. That is just plain irresponsible. We are better than that. And another thing regarding parenting---some kids are easy to raise and some are a significant burden in many ways--that's the truth but as a parent, it is your responsibility to prevent destruction that your child may be willing to unleash into the world. Wishing you had a glamorous, intelligent, and balanced kid living the Hollywood dream does not mean it is true and does not mean you can throw them into an unsuspecting society. They don't have the tools to function and it equates to epic failure. All moo.

ER showed signs of significant mental illness ** to many people** for over a decade. He gave the clues, the warnings. People were too much in denial, were too busy, or just didn't know what to do.

I hope that in the midst of this tragedy, learning will come about.

In this country now people have rights. The institutions were emptied and closed down and basically were replaced with little. Ask a homeless vet.

Anyway, as ill as you may think someone is, you cannot cage him/her or force drugs down his/her throat.

The parents were providing a decent place to live, therapy, and social connections.

Trying to commit someone is a huge process. He had not hurt himself or anyone else, that people knew of, that is.

How would you do something with a person like him who only presents himself as highly unlikeable?

 

[CARIIS]

From reading the manifeso , he sounded attached to the female figure in the house, his issues with his father were missing him because he was gone a lot.

They tried to keep others and their child safe, they did the beat they could two hours away on more than one occassion (sound caring and enlightened from my perpective.

And when the got to the end, they knew it ,ran to thier car and headed there

Sound pretty committed to me!

My impression is that he is so consumed by hatred. Even when he is sick or injured, he says the physical pain is nothing compared to his extreme anger and hatred.

His relationship with his family is poor for the most part and gets worse as he gets older. He is using them for his own gain. Nothing more. I notice when he loses friends, it stems from his hostilities which repulses them.

He talks about how people should be attracted to him because is from British aristocracy. I would think almost everyone has some aristocratic background somewhere in the family tree.

I do not think he could be helped at all. I am not sure if he heard voices in his head.