CA CA - Emmanuel Haro, 7-months, reported kidnapped 7:30pm from Big 5 parking lot, Yucaipa Blvd, Yucaipa, 14 Aug 2025 *Arrest* #2

[tlcya]

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They've had time to get replacement phones by now, imo.

I know I have an unpopular opinion but I don't like to see mobs surround the houses of suspects. It's ugly behavior, imo. We have a rule of law in this nation, not mob rule.

THIS IS NOT A DEFENSE OF ANYONE and I don't "feel sorry" for the parents. It's possible to suspect the parents, judge their actions, and join public opinion against them at the same time as not liking mobs forming.

jmopinion

I am never a fan when a case develops a circus like atmosphere. I don't think it helps LE solve the case and in most instances IMO simply creates an additional layer of distraction they must navigate while trying to solve the case. Press both legit and self styled know dang well the couple aren't going to open the door wide and give them information. Both now have counsel. So the act of staking out the home at this point, and knocking at their door is simply performative in nature, because in the absence of new facts to report they must create the story out of whole cloth. Nothing new to report? Lets show the public them not cooperating with us and what we want.

I recall the Anthony home way back, more recently the Laundrie home, the crowds, the signs the chants. None of that achieved justice for any victim JMO

 

[steff13]

That's definitely a possibility but I personally, would not give him the benefit of the doubt. Especially since her ex-husband stepped forward and had only positive things to say about her.

At this point I don't think either of them deserves the benefit of the doubt.

ETA: I wouldn't go so far as to say her ex-husband had anything positive to say about her. He said that their marriage was normal if I recall correctly. I don't recall him saying she was a wonderful mother, or she was kind and attentive, or anything that would be construed as positive necessarily.

 

[steff13]

IMO, that's harassment, they aren't "protesting".

Agreed. There are things here that people should be protesting, such as the minimal sentences JH and his ex-wife received for permanently injuring their child, but that should be done outside the courthouse, perhaps. Not outside private radiances.

 

[CityKid]

Unfortunately, this is my assumption as well. Small, dependent children, especially infants, can be “disappeared” easier than larger children and adults— but as another poster mentioned, this cuts both ways: a child that small can’t vanish on his own, and it should be much easier for any remotely qualified prosecutor to prove homicide, body or not. Especially with this case and the parents’ history.

I just hope the parents' histories are allowed to be disclosed in court.

 

[Jw192]

@anyoldtime48

I am SO grateful that you found a legitimate source for this picture of an even younger Emmanuel.

Yes, in the tan-colored onesie, he looks like any tiny baby. Flailing the arms, a tiny smile, his eyes appear to be searching normally, he’s spreading his fingers a bit as though he’s beginning to learn to grasp.

In every other picture we’ve seen, his eyes are cross-eyed, his mouth is perpetually turned down in a grimace, his hands are always in fists, (which to me appear swollen or something).

It’s just too terrible. Whatever caused this, and most of us appear to feel the same, he was NOT born with these defects/issues/problems.

JMO

Exactly! In the much earlier photos he looks to be much more alert and active as opposed to the more recent ones (God knows when they were taken though)
I said before that I am buying more and more into the SBS theory but also Emmanuel's little clenched up fists in almost every photo OTHER than the small baby one (when it would be most expected) lead me to believe that Emmanuel developed cerebral palsy as a result of some form of physical abuse. The way that the dots are connecting with the grandmas statement, the photo collection released and ofc the fathers evil history, poor little Emmanuel likely hasn't seen a doctor since his first month of life - the not vaccinated statement from grandma, if they were simply anti vax then they wouldn't feel the need to shield him as they wouldn't believe in vaccinations, he simply hasn't been taken to the doctor to get them... Why? Because imo, from the age of around 4 weeks, Emmanuel has been physically abused VERY VERY likely by the father, given his history, and I believe the trauma inflicted onto the Baba has caused severe brain trauma and neurological issues resulting in cerebral palsy. Clenched fists are very common in smaller babies but as their muscles and brain develop so does their motor functions, grasping being one of the first ones. Babies who lack this ability and who constantly have clenched up hands at 6+ months (as seen in many photos of an older Emmanuel) are a cause for concern and one of the main possibilities medical professionals look at is cerebral palsy as a reason... alongside the other visible issues we see in the photos. The reason he wasn't taken to a doctor for routine check ups and routine infant vaccinations imo... He was battered into a disability

Cerebral Palsy: A Variety of Causes, Effects and Treatments

Cerebral palsy happens due to brain damage or development disruptions. Learn more about this condition and how it’s treated.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Cerebral Palsy Causes | What Parents Should Know

One of the leading cerebral palsy causes is damage to the developing brain during childbirth. Learn more about the causes of CP now.

www.cerebralpalsyguide.com

ETA - missing words here and there

 

[Frodosdojo]

IMO, that's harassment, they aren't "protesting".

Are you talking about the legal definition of harassment or is that just your definition of harassment ? Harassment can be a crime but protesting outside someone's house is not a criminal act.

 

[Ontario Mom]

I agree with that. Regardless of our personal opinions, they are innocent until proven guilty. They shouldn't be harassed.

I was actually was watching some YouTube videos on this last night and it appears that there are some people that are just live streaming from outside the house waiting for them to be arrested which is terribly invasive. Not only for them but probably for their neighbors as well.

True crime youtubers larping as justice warriors has become pretty common these days. Building their platform and getting clicks is all they're (most of them) really after.

I have zero sympathy for the Haros but these folks need to go home and let law enforcement do their jobs, and leave the neighborhood in peace.

 

[ttjo]

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They've had time to get replacement phones by now, imo.

I know I have an unpopular opinion but I don't like to see mobs surround the houses of suspects. It's ugly behavior, imo. We have a rule of law in this nation, not mob rule.

THIS IS NOT A DEFENSE OF ANYONE and I don't "feel sorry" for the parents. It's possible to suspect the parents, judge their actions, and join public opinion against them at the same time as not liking mobs forming.

jmopinion

I agree, Ive seen mobs outside houses before, but this crowd is loud and aggressive, fighting with eachother and neighbours.
why disrupt everyone else in the neighborhood, its very disrespectful.
They chant "wheres the baby".and it feels more like a nuisance than whatever they're trying to accomplish out there.

 

[Frodosdojo]

Is strabismus hereditary ? JH's eyes don't look normal to me.

 

[ttjo]

Is strabismus hereditary ? JH's eyes don't look normal to me.

IDK, but maybe Dr's records will show if he was really born with that condition. ( by born wth, I mean was that even what it was)

 

[Serononin]

Is strabismus hereditary ? JH's eyes don't look normal to me.

The NHS website says it can run in families

 

[fred&edna]

gossip running high.... right now

 

[CSIDreamer]

Are you talking about the legal definition of harassment or is that just your definition of harassment ? Harassment can be a crime but protesting outside someone's house is not a criminal act.

I'm talking about the legal definition of harassment. Going up to a private citizen's door and banging on it, camera in hand, uninvited, is called trespassing. IMO, targeted picketing is designed to incite fear in residents of the home being targeted.

Anyway, back to the baby.

 

[kid_a]

I just hope the parents' histories are allowed to be disclosed in court.

I doubt it will be allowed under the California rules of evidence, but I hope I'm wrong.

 

[ttjo]

Press both legit and self styled know dang well the couple aren't going to open the door wide and give them information. Both now have counsel. So the act of staking out the home at this point, and knocking at their door is simply performative in nature,

Exactly this!!

 

[pukasonqo2]

IDK, but maybe Dr's records will show if he was really born with that condition. ( by born wth, I mean was that even what it was)

If they took Emmanuel to see a doctor, the baby wasn’t vaccinated so very unlikely they’d take him to see a doctor unless he was very sick especially as a doctor or nurse would notice any signs of abuse

 

[Frodosdojo]

I'm talking about the legal definition of harassment. Going up to a private citizen's door and banging on it, camera in hand, uninvited, is called trespassing. IMO, targeted picketing is designed to incite fear in residents of the home being targeted.

Anyway, back to the baby.

That is not exactly accurate. Someone walking up to your door, banging on it, with a camera is not legally trespassing. The resident must first tell the person they are unwelcome before it becomes legal trespass.

If there is a no trespassing sign on the property, then yes, that is a crime.

I understand people find it distasteful but I hope yall understand that the distasteful behavior is not criminal.

 

[Judy Sleuth]

Exactly! In the much earlier photos he looks to be much more alert and active as opposed to the more recent ones (God knows when they were taken though)
I said before that I am buying more and more into the SBS theory but also Emmanuel's little clenched up fists in almost every photo OTHER than the small baby one (when it would be most expected) lead me to believe that Emmanuel developed cerebral palsy as a result of some form of physical abuse. The way that the dots are connecting with the grandmas statement, the photo collection released and ofc the fathers evil history, poor little Emmanuel likely hasn't seen a doctor since his first month of life - the not vaccinated statement from grandma, if they were simply anti vax then they wouldn't feel the need to shield him as they wouldn't believe in vaccinations, he simply hasn't been taken to the doctor to get them... Why? Because imo, from the age of around 4 weeks, Emmanuel has been physically abused VERY VERY likely by the father, given his history, and I believe the trauma inflicted onto the Baba has caused severe brain trauma and neurological issues resulting in cerebral palsy. Clenched fists are very common in smaller babies but as their muscles and brain develop so does their motor functions, grasping being one of the first ones. Babies who lack this ability and who constantly have clenched up hands at 6+ months (as seen in many photos of an older Emmanuel) are a cause for concern and one of the main possibilities medical professionals look at is cerebral palsy as a reason... alongside the other visible issues we see in the photos. The reason he wasn't taken to a doctor for routine check ups and routine infant vaccinations imo... He was battered into a disability

Cerebral Palsy: A Variety of Causes, Effects and Treatments

Cerebral palsy happens due to brain damage or development disruptions. Learn more about this condition and how it’s treated.

my.clevelandclinic.org

Cerebral Palsy Causes | What Parents Should Know

One of the leading cerebral palsy causes is damage to the developing brain during childbirth. Learn more about the causes of CP now.

www.cerebralpalsyguide.com

ETA - missing words here and there

The apparent stiffness of his limbs in later pictures also concerns me. He appears not to be stretching or extending his arms/legs in them, but rather that the joints are not bending naturally (or bending at all), even in positions where gravity should make an arm or leg dangle a bit.

In the earliest photo, the extended arm does appear to be reaching more naturally.

It really does seem as though there was a change some months after birth to a situation that appears to have inhibited his physical development.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Is strabismus hereditary ? JH's eyes don't look normal to me.

It can be. My 27 yr old daughter has it, and it presented at about 6 months old. My neice also has it, and hers presented at about the same age.

Either way, I don't think it matters. I don't think this sweet baby is still alive, and I think one or both of his parents had everything to do with it, and the entire abduction story is 100% BS.

jmo

 

[fred&edna]

The NHS website says it can run in families

i'll add another confirmation to that - mentioning both esotropia and exotropia

Genetic variations in strabismus - Boston Children's Answers

Boston Children’s identified genetic duplications on the second, fourth, and tenth chromosomes in those with esotropia and exotropia.

answers.childrenshospital.org

Strabismus affects as much as 4 percent of the population. Several environmental risk factors — including prematurity, low birth weight, smoking during pregnancy — have been connected to common horizontal strabismus: eyes turning inward (esotropia) or outward (exotropia). Still, even after considering those environmental factors, genetics play a substantial role, Whitman says.

i worked for both ophthalmologists and pediatric ophthalmologists who performed various types of eye surgery.

jmo