Deceased/Not Found CA - Heidi Planck, 39, left son’s football game in Downey, dog found in Los Angeles, 17 Oct 2021 #5

[NCWatcher]

Several of the LLC’s listed in this complaint are tired directly to Heidi and her home address.
Scroll down to page 36-37 to see just how profoundly the SEC hopes to prevail in order to eliminate the possibility that JS cause any further harm.
JW’s initial reaction was, her boss knows where all the bones are buried.
JS dropped off muffins and seemed to try to open her door, demanded her laptop, when the family and friends needed a Private Investigator.
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2019/comp-pr2019-113.pdf

I have no idea whether JS had anything to do with what happened to HP. I could be persuaded either way because we really know close to nothing.

I realize JW has pointed fingers. A lot. "There was no concern at all from my ex-wife's employer. It's a multimillion-dollar company, they didn't offer to hire a private investigator or put up a reward. The only thing they really seemed concerned about was Heidi's computer..." "Heidi knows all of Jason's and the company's secrets. She knows where the bones are buried."

Heidi Planck's ex-husband claims her boss was concerned about recovering her laptop | Daily Mail Online

I'm not sure it was very realistic to expect HP's employer to offer a reward or to hire a PI to try to find her. I've worked in the private sector as well as in publicly-funded situations (schools & universities) over many years and I can't say I think any of my employers would have ever done either of those things to try to track down a missing employee. Public sector employers just don't have the flexibility to spend their taxpayer-funded budget that way even if they wanted to. And for private-sector employers, their main goal often must be to make money. They aren't "family" to their employees although JW seemed to think JS should behave like a rich relative anxious to provide resources to less well-off family members. (I wonder if JW treated employees at his salon like family? Even pre-COVID his salon may not have been a "multimillion-dollar company" but obviously he made much more money than, say, his "shampoo girls" or his receptionist.)

As an employee I have seen plenty of concerns raised over missing company property (like laptops) And as an employee I've been subjected to policy lectures about the dangers of maintaining confidential records on unsecured laptops. Given that many people are working at home because of COVID, I expect many employers might raise questions about company property/company records if an employee went missing.

JW also seemed resentful that JS talked to him through an assistant rather than directly to him. And maybe JS is a jerk. Easy enough to convince me of that. But sometimes I think JW forgets people don't see him as a husband frantic to find his wife. And he's not that. He's the ex. A person who moved on relationship-wise years ago but that's not stopped him from taking HP to court multiple times. I suspect people at HP's workplace know some of that.
JMO

 

[GoBuckeyes]

You can get from all major pharmacies I believe. They carry the spray and provide training. EMTs and hospitals would give an injectable version.

County Health Departments, many urban schools provide to students, some fire departments will distribute it too.

 

[?!?]

I have noted from afar that you got no response.

So in the interest of keeping the record straight,
I’ll post the totally Unsettled Denial to Dismiss the SEC’s Case against JS. He stands to lose way more than the 9 million dollars he used to enrich himself from the funds he deceptively and fraudulently redirected to himself and his wife from the $43 million ripoff of one of the poorest Native American Tribes in the US.
Here’s a recap and the Denial to drop charges by the Judge of the Southern District of New York.
I will post in another message the Relief/punishment the SEC has requested to protect the public and financial systems from Mr. Sugarman and his agents, et al, predatory, deceptive and fraudulent practices and schemes.
How it began:
Jason Sugarman (Release No. LR-24518; Jun. 27, 2019)
Where it’s at- Denial to Dismiss-
https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5f7ac13c4653d05df39f284f

Thanks - saved me some work!

I will point out that the Denial is dated 9/30/20, and this is the most recent (is CURRENT) action on this matter.

 

[Meligator]

I have no idea whether JS had anything to do with what happened to HP. I could be persuaded either way because we really know close to nothing.

I realize JW has pointed fingers. A lot. "There was no concern at all from my ex-wife's employer. It's a multimillion-dollar company, they didn't offer to hire a private investigator or put up a reward. The only thing they really seemed concerned about was Heidi's computer..." "Heidi knows all of Jason's and the company's secrets. She knows where the bones are buried."

Heidi Planck's ex-husband claims her boss was concerned about recovering her laptop | Daily Mail Online

I'm not sure it was very realistic to expect HP's employer to offer a reward or to hire a PI to try to find her. I've worked in the private sector as well as in publicly-funded situations (schools & universities) over many years and I can't say I think any of my employers would have ever done either of those things to try to track down a missing employee. Public sector employers just don't have the flexibility to spend their taxpayer-funded budget that way even if they wanted to. And for private-sector employers, their main goal often must be to make money. They aren't "family" to their employees although JW seemed to think JS should behave like a rich relative anxious to provide resources to less well-off family members. (I wonder if JW treated employees at his salon like family? Even pre-COVID his salon may not have been a "multimillion-dollar company" but obviously he made much more money than, say, his "shampoo girls" or his receptionist.)

As an employee I have seen plenty of concerns raised over missing company property (like laptops) And as an employee I've been subjected to policy lectures about the dangers of maintaining confidential records on unsecured laptops. Given that many people are working at home because of COVID, I expect many employers might raise questions about company property/company records if an employee went missing.

JW also seemed resentful that JS talked to him through an assistant rather than directly to him. And maybe JS is a jerk. Easy enough to convince me of that. But sometimes I think JW forgets people don't see him as a husband frantic to find his wife. And he's not that. He's the ex. A person who moved on relationship-wise years ago but that's not stopped him from taking HP to court multiple times. I suspect people at HP's workplace know some of that.
JMO

Everything we know about JSs reaction & wanting HP’s laptop etc., comes from JW. We have no idea if it’s even true. If JS wanted HP dead, I feel like he would have the resources for a much more professional hit. Wouldn’t involve disposing a body in a well-populated apartment complex & leaving her dog at the location of the crime. That just doesn’t add up. Police must know, at this point, why HP went to Hope & Flowers. I’m amazed that info hasn’t been revealed yet.

 

[rosesfromangels]

Everything we know about JSs reaction & wanting HP’s laptop etc., comes from JW. We have no idea if it’s even true. If JS wanted HP dead, I feel like he would have the resources for a much more professional hit. Wouldn’t involve disposing a body in a well-populated apartment complex & leaving her dog at the location of the crime. That just doesn’t add up. Police must know, at this point, why HP went to Hope & Flowers. I’m amazed that info hasn’t been revealed yet.

Yes, without additional information, it's hard to form a solid hypothesis. That said, everything about what I've heard so far sounds chaotic and disorganized, the hallmarks of drug use. If forced to choose a theory, I'll say this was usage that went awry, as so many times it does. Purely speculation. I am anchored on the dog roaming around. Whatever happened doesn't appear to have been planned, unless the dog was a surprise to whomever interacted with her.
I think this was some sort of overdose/accident, and she was hastily disposed of. That sounds about right for self absorbed druggie/partiers. (The speculated assailants, not the victim). Unless there is a confession, I think this will be very difficult to solve. Rats tend to twine their tails together...

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Cloudydiamond]

Several of the LLC’s listed in this complaint are tired directly to Heidi and her home address.
Scroll down to page 36-37 to see just how profoundly the SEC hopes to prevail in order to eliminate the possibility that JS cause any further harm.
JW’s initial reaction was, her boss knows where all the bones are buried.
JS dropped off muffins and seemed to try to open her door, demanded her laptop, when the family and friends needed a Private Investigator.
https://www.sec.gov/litigation/complaints/2019/comp-pr2019-113.pdf

He rings the doorbell and then up the step and tries to open the door.
Investigators Continuing Their Search For Heidi Planck Find More Video

 

[Curiousobserver]

He rings the doorbell and then up the step and tries to open the door.
Investigators Continuing Their Search For Heidi Planck Find More Video

Like may of us here, my cynical self thinks he needed an excuse to check the door so he could get something without looking like he knew she wouldn't be there.

 

[SteveP]

Probably a month or more ago, I said if after all we knew or thought we knew about JS and his business dealings, and all we knew or thought we knew about JW and the many contentious court battles, if this turned out to be a random drug deal gone wrong, I would turn in my amateur sleuth card. So here we are a month or so later, and in my mind at least, I have pretty much cleared JW and all but cleared JS, at least of any likely-to-be-uncovered involvement, leaving me with...I am afraid we may never know who, and my sleuth card may be headed to the shredder. JMO

 

[Curiosa20]

Not so fast, @SteveP. The only other cases I can remember where LAPD released zero investigative updates involved international searches, Gang and RICO entanglements.
Realistically, considering the pall that hangs over ONNI, H&F, Camden Capital Partners, et al LLC partners, intimate partners, dog sitter, Concierge, if RHD has any conclusive evidence that Heidi’s death and her criminal clandestine disposal is attributed to a random overdose and inept response, I feel confident there would have been a public announcement. Even without her remains. JMOO

 

[NCWatcher]

Not so fast, @SteveP. The only other cases I can remember where LAPD released zero investigative updates involved international searches, Gang and RICO entanglements.
Realistically, considering the pall that hangs over ONNI, H&F, Camden Capital Partners, et al LLC partners, intimate partners, dog sitter, Concierge, if RHD has any conclusive evidence that Heidi’s death and her criminal clandestine disposal is attributed to a random overdose and inept response, I feel confident there would have been a public announcement. Even without her remains. JMOO

Maybe.

I'm not wedded to a particular theory about what happened but an OD certainly wouldn't shock me. But IF that's what it was, and IF the LAPD thinks they know who did the clandestine body disposal (and perhaps who supplied the drugs) LE won't want to make an announcement & alert those folks before they are ready to arrest them. (In a way I'm surprised we got the landfill search announcement. Maybe they thought that would leak?)

I might be wrong but it seems it would be necessary to have the remains or (sorry for being graphic) at least some small part of them recovered at the disposal site to convict on a charge that has to do with disposal of the body. So I'd think they'd hold off on an arrest so the trial clock doesn't start running. And maybe they are doing more behind the scenes squeezing witnesses and following the drug trail than we know.
JMO

 

[rosesfromangels]

Maybe.

I'm not wedded to a particular theory about what happened but an OD certainly wouldn't shock me. But IF that's what it was, and IF the LAPD thinks they know who did the clandestine body disposal (and perhaps who supplied the drugs) LE won't want to make an announcement & alert those folks before they are ready to arrest them. (In a way I'm surprised we got the landfill search announcement. Maybe they thought that would leak?)

I might be wrong but it seems it would be necessary to have the remains or (sorry for being graphic) at least some small part of them recovered at the disposal site to convict on a charge that has to do with disposal of the body. So I'd think they'd hold off on an arrest so the trial clock doesn't start running. And maybe they are doing more behind the scenes squeezing witnesses and following the drug trail than we know.
JMO

Good logic; sensible post.

Here is an interesting article about another missing woman, Christine Mustafa, and how the search of a land fill was involved in attempting to find her. She hasn't been found, but there has been a conviction, regardless.
How police will search 2,600-acre landfill for missing woman's remains

I found this particularly interesting:

"....An estimated 150 dump trucks deliver about 3,500 tons of material to the SR-89 landfill each day. But city and police officials were able to narrow their scope to a three-day window and location using GPS tracking devices on all of the landfill’s heavy equipment. Searchable GPS coordinates show where the garbage originated, where it was dumped in the landfill and where bulldozers moved it...Bulldozers and shovels will lift sections of material from the landfill and distribute it into lines in another field near the search site. Searchers will then sift through those lines with potato rakes. If they come up empty, the bulldozer will move that material away, and start the process anew..."

It's heartening to know they can narrow down the area of the landfill based on truck GPS data. Fascinating.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Meligator]

Probably a month or more ago, I said if after all we knew or thought we knew about JS and his business dealings, and all we knew or thought we knew about JW and the many contentious court battles, if this turned out to be a random drug deal gone wrong, I would turn in my amateur sleuth card. So here we are a month or so later, and in my mind at least, I have pretty much cleared JW and all but cleared JS, at least of any likely-to-be-uncovered involvement, leaving me with...I am afraid we may never know who, and my sleuth card may be headed to the shredder. JMO

Just curious, why have you cleared JW?

 

[SteveP]

Just curious, why have you cleared JW?

Oh, he has moved up and down my list often in the past couple months, but in spite of the many times he has hauled her into court in the past, it is a huge leap to go from hauling someone to court to murdering them. And ultimately, I believe he cares too much for his son to kill his mother. It is as simple as that. And yes, that is just my gut feeling, at the moment, and is subject to change yet again.

 

[Curiosa20]

Excellent writeups, Watcher. You wrote:

JW goes, he had reason to suspect something was wrong pretty quickly. He said HP was usually in contact with him when he had BW. He said it was odd HP had stopped responding to BW's texts on Sunday, the 17th.

Here's the issue I have with this. JW knew she left the game early, perhaps without so much as a goodbye. Proudly, BW texts Heidi about his complimentary football moves. Heidi does not respond to the one true love of her life, BW. She is silent. When JW knew BW was not receiving a reply, that should have been a huge waving Red Flag. Any further unanswered texts should have reinforced the warning.

What time was BWs first text to his mother on Sunday after his fb game? TIA
.

It’s insightful in retrospect after so much speculation to watch this press conference JW gave on 11/29.
I just don’t hear anything that indicates that LE has a clear handle on this investigation. Seems clear to me again that this is a LE initiated action to appeal to someone’s conscience.
About the last text message question- there is no time indicated as to when the last “congratulations” message was sent to BW at about the 5:25 mark. He talks about it vaguely again about 12:25 mark.
Heidi Planck disappearance: Ex-husband speaks out as search continues

 

[DeDee]

It’s insightful in retrospect after so much speculation to watch this press conference JW gave on 11/29.
I just don’t hear anything that indicates that LE has a clear handle on this investigation. Seems clear to me again that this is a LE initiated action to appeal to someone’s conscience.
About the last text message question- there is no time indicated as to when the last “congratulations” message was sent to BW at about the 5:25 mark. He talks about it vaguely again about 12:25 mark.
Heidi Planck disappearance: Ex-husband speaks out as search continues

Nov 29 ~ JWs urging someone to come forward with information by calling her case a homicide. The friends and family, her mother, her cousin, need answers.

Thanks for repeating this early interview of JW. He says this MP news has had a domino effect on everyone who's been touched by her.

JW mentions the '1 - 5 people know what happened to Heidi' for the first time. Please come forward!

Relying on Forensics work. Praises LAPD. Pleading for someone to call any possible tips to the police. 11yo BW spoke via text to HP on Sunday congratulating him on good game. The H+F property owners have been most cooperative. What is the reason for HP being at H+F that evening?

JW doesn't seem to think this MP stuff is in her natural character. Well, it's been about 10 weeks since she's been gone, thereby, affording the killer(s) the first 3 day window in order to destroy any evidence.

It is a Personal Appeal to help find Heidi. They are all friends with Heidi's friends and the friends were attending the press conference along w/ JW. Her precious son has been pleased to see them united.

Blessings to the friends and family during this special time of the year.

 

[NCWatcher]

Good logic; sensible post.

Here is an interesting article about another missing woman, Christine Mustafa, and how the search of a land fill was involved in attempting to find her. She hasn't been found, but there has been a conviction, regardless.
How police will search 2,600-acre landfill for missing woman's remains

I found this particularly interesting:

"....An estimated 150 dump trucks deliver about 3,500 tons of material to the SR-89 landfill each day. But city and police officials were able to narrow their scope to a three-day window and location using GPS tracking devices on all of the landfill’s heavy equipment. Searchable GPS coordinates show where the garbage originated, where it was dumped in the landfill and where bulldozers moved it...Bulldozers and shovels will lift sections of material from the landfill and distribute it into lines in another field near the search site. Searchers will then sift through those lines with potato rakes. If they come up empty, the bulldozer will move that material away, and start the process anew..."

It's heartening to know they can narrow down the area of the landfill based on truck GPS data. Fascinating.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Interesting.

I did know people have been convicted of murder without a body. And we don't know what LE knows much less what they can actually prove in court.

But, odd or not, even though murder is a much more serious crime, I expect it's easier to convict someone of murder without a body than it is to convict someone of a crime involving body disposal with no body. In the latter case, you first have to prove someone is dead (just as you would with murder.) Then you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what was done with the body after death even though you can't find it, something you don't have to do in most murder cases. While LE feels the unspecified "forensic evidence" from the H&F is enough to prove HP is dead, that doesn't mean it's enough without a body to prove a case in court. But in most murder cases jurors could be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt the defendant murdered X and vote to convict without being at all sure what happened to X's body. Not so with a charge involving disposal of X's body.

IF (if, may not be true) HP died of an accidental OD, I'd think criminal charges for contributing to/causing her death wouldn't be forthcoming without a body. Not impossible but not likely IMO. And I think bringing charges for body disposal without a body definitely wouldn't happen. So finding enough of her body to be able to prove what was done with it and perhaps to be able to find say, fentanyl, would seem critical.

LE may be trying to get people to rat on each other but often that's not the greatest evidence in court. It can be useful for helping to find additional physical evidence but as testimony, not so great IMO. Often the rats aren't the most upstanding citizens either. I'm also not sure how serious a crime it is in CA to fail to report a death and to put a corpse in a dumpster causing it to be sent to the landfill. I tried looking it up but got pretty much nowhere. And it turns out, the state laws concerning dead bodies are quite variable. For example: Do You Have to Tell the Cops if You Find a Dead Body?

JMO

 

[StasiaUK]

Just wading in here for a second to ask a question…

Could it be possible or has it already been ruled out perhaps… that although she was put down the garbage shute, that whoever did this changed their minds and went down, retrieved her body and then disposed of it by some other means?

I’m also wondering if the dog was left by her on purpose to be found? In the event something happened to her? I’m wondering as initially this was the first clue tying her to the apartment complex. MOO

 

[Uninformant]

I think the home security camera is going to be critical in this case. I don’t know who shared/leaked the footage we’ve seen, and I find it odd we don’t know. (Possible it’s known and I simply haven’t seen it.) There’s likely relevant footage of the last time she returned home before leaving for game. There will be footage, likely with audio, to disprove or corroborate stories of her ex and friend visiting her house to look for her. It may show what they removed from the house, if anything.

 

[?!?]

Just wading in here for a second to ask a question…

Could it be possible or has it already been ruled out perhaps… that although she was put down the garbage shute, that whoever did this changed their minds and went down, retrieved her body and then disposed of it by some other means?

I’m also wondering if the dog was left by her on purpose to be found? In the event something happened to her? I’m wondering as initially this was the first clue tying her to the apartment complex. MOO

I suggested several pages ago that it was not only possible, but stood a 'reasonable' chance that one of the disappearance folks may have intervened very soon after she fell, removing her to a vehicle [I didn't say it then but it COULD have been her own ] and she is now nowhere near the landfill.

 

[NCWatcher]

I suggested several pages ago that it was not only possible, but stood a 'reasonable' chance that one of the disappearance folks may have intervened very soon after she fell, removing her to a vehicle [I didn't say it then but it COULD have been her own ] and she is now nowhere near the landfill.

IF she was put down the garbage chute (& we don't know that she was) and she came out in the dumpster below, I think it would take more than one person to remove her from that dumpster full of trash and put her in a vehicle. I know she was small but crawling into a huge dumpster and dragging out a dead body wouldn't be easy IMO.