Deceased/Not Found CA - Heidi Planck, 39, left son’s football game in Downey, dog found in Los Angeles, 17 Oct 2021 #5

[StasiaUK]

I suggested several pages ago that it was not only possible, but stood a 'reasonable' chance that one of the disappearance folks may have intervened very soon after she fell, removing her to a vehicle [I didn't say it then but it COULD have been her own ] and she is now nowhere near the landfill.

Ah, I do apologise I’ve been flitting back and forth when I have time spare and didn’t see that, sorry I should have checked before posting.

 

[SteveP]

I suggested several pages ago that it was not only possible, but stood a 'reasonable' chance that one of the disappearance folks may have intervened very soon after she fell, removing her to a vehicle [I didn't say it then but it COULD have been her own ] and she is now nowhere near the landfill.

I could be wrong, and could not find it to post here, but I think I saw the compacter/dumpster that the chutes empty into, in one of the pics or videos of H+F that were posted early on, and IIRC correctly, it is enclosed by chain link fencing, which is probably kept locked to prevent dumpster diving. With that in mind, if someone removed her from the dumpster and transported her somewhere else, I think they would have had to have help from someone who worked there and had access to the trash. JMO

ETA That would almost seem to defeat the apparent reason for putting her in the trash chute, which, I assume, is to avoid being seen taking a body out of the building. Why then would somone risk being caught on cam pulling a body out of the dumpster and putting it into an illegally parked vehicle?

 

[SteveP]

Ah, I do apologise I’ve been flitting back and forth when I have time spare and didn’t see that, sorry I should have checked before posting.

No need for aoplogy. We are all just rehashing things that have been talked about before , often ad nauseum. With nothing new to talk about, it is about all we can can do. JMO

 

[?!?]

I could be wrong, and could not find it to post here, but I think I saw the compacter/dumpster that the chutes empty into, in one of the pics or videos of H+F that were posted early on, and IIRC correctly, it is enclosed by chain link fencing, which is probably kept locked to prevent dumpster diving. With that in mind, if someone removed her from the dumpster and transported her somewhere else, I think they would have had to have help from someone who worked there and had access to the trash. JMO

ETA That would almost seem to defeat the apparent reason for putting her in the trash chute, which, I assume, is to avoid being seen taking a body out of the building. Why then would somone risk being caught on cam pulling a body out of the dumpster and putting it into an illegally parked vehicle?

Suppose that this is not their first rodeo -- that something very similar has happened before -- maybe another OD at an H+F party. Even short of that, MasLady said employees were at the party (she had dated the Concierge) and I'm sure this is not the first time someone said "my wife threw my xyz out by mistake and I have to get it, etc., etc.," and toss in $50 for the attendant to take a walk for 15 minutes). All kinds of possibilities if 5 people know the drill. Faster to use the chute than elevator, less likely to be observed (in person or on camera). All speculation, of course....

 

[Gobstopper]

OT and probably already known but arrests have been made regarding Christy Gikes-Cilliers and Hikda Narcela Cabrales-Arzola, the 2 deceased women that were dumped at separate hospitals in LA. MOO

 

[StasiaUK]

Suppose that this is not their first rodeo -- that something very similar has happened before -- maybe another OD at an H+F party. Even short of that, MasLady said employees were at the party (she had dated the Concierge) and I'm sure this is not the first time someone said "my wife threw my xyz out by mistake and I have to get it, etc., etc.," and toss in $50 for the attendant to take a walk for 15 minutes). All kinds of possibilities if 5 people know the drill. Faster to use the chute than elevator, less likely to be observed (in person or on camera). All speculation, of course....

I just can’t help thinking she was never taken to the landfill. It’s like a niggling feeling I can’t let go of. I think you’ve made a very good point.

 

[UltraViolet4545]

One thought I had... I hope she was truly dead before going down the chute. It’s possible she overdosed and people thought she was dead (breathing can slow way down, but an overdose victim still be alive). Going down the chute would cause immense damage to a body. I mean, it’s 40 floors. Imagine falling off the roof of a 40 story building, and then being compacted at the bottom.

The police need to find her body so they know what charges to lay.

This case has literally given me nightmares.

 

[rosesfromangels]

This case has literally given me nightmares.

Snipped for focused reply, and BBM.
Understandably so! It is not likely that any amount of remains will be found, but it's not impossible. That is highly dependent on someone with a conscience providing some additional detail.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[annpats]

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Anyway, back to Heidi.

How wide are these trash chutes? Would a human go down easily, or likely to get stuck?

Heidi was quite slim, but would she have whizzed straight down to the bottom at speed?

Could get body not have flopped or curled sideways and got stuck or slowed down?

I know these are unsavoury questions, but I'm just asking with delicacy due to this trash chute/landfill option of death.

 

[JurassicParker]

She has

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Anyway, back to Heidi.

How wide are these trash chutes? Would a human go down easily, or likely to get stuck?

Heidi was quite slim, but would she have whizzed straight down to the bottom at speed?

Could get body not have flopped or curled sideways and got stuck or slowed down?

I know these are unsavoury questions, but I'm just asking with delicacy due to this trash chute/landfill option of death.

She hasn’t been found so we have no way of knowing the condition of the body if or when it went down the trash chute. If it went down the trash chute. I’ve had posts deleted for bringing the trash chute up bc it wasn’t mentioned in any MSM articles. It was mentioned by a resident of the complex though. I haven’t read everything recently bc I feel like it’s a dead end. Heidi is no longer with us. There is evidence that says so. Has a trash chute been mentioned in MSM which allows us to talk about it now? I don’t know about the crazy conspiracy theories that I’ve read but I believe Heidi met foul play, was dismembered and disposed of down the trash chute. A full body could not go unnoticed. I don’t think a party or famous rapper was involved. She met someone at that complex, things went south, and the person she was with has no respect for human life and did what they needed to do to make her disappear. The dog unfortunately wasn’t a part of the plan and the perp didn’t think it would be important to let it loose in the building. They were wrong. LE will find out who is responsible and they pay for their crimes. Heidi’s family deserves nothing less. JMO MOO x 100000000

 

[cujenn81]

I have noted from afar that you got no response.

So in the interest of keeping the record straight,
I’ll post the totally Unsettled Denial to Dismiss the SEC’s Case against JS. He stands to lose way more than the 9 million dollars he used to enrich himself from the funds he deceptively and fraudulently redirected to himself and his wife from the $43 million ripoff of one of the poorest Native American Tribes in the US.
Here’s a recap and the Denial to drop charges by the Judge of the Southern District of New York.
I will post in another message the Relief/punishment the SEC has requested to protect the public and financial systems from Mr. Sugarman and his agents, et al, predatory, deceptive and fraudulent practices and schemes.
How it began:
Jason Sugarman (Release No. LR-24518; Jun. 27, 2019)
Where it’s at- Denial to Dismiss-
https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5f7ac13c4653d05df39f284f

Thank you for taking the time to dig this up!

 

[DeDee]

Searchers in protective gear have been at a Landfill for weeks searching for anything that would lead them to Heidi. Certainly, we have the right to discuss how it came to be that after Heidi is seen on CCTV, Sunday, twice, that she never left the H+F Bldg alive.

MISSING Heidi Planck died from a prescription drug overdose at a wild strippers and crypto gambling party and panicked revellers disposed of her body through the trash chute, it has been sensationally claimed.

Bookkeeper Heidi, 39, disappeared in highly mysterious circumstances after attending her 11-year-old son’s flag football game in Los Angeles on October 17.

Officers have said they found evidence at the Hope + Flower apartment building which led them to believe Heidi is dead.

[Sleuths drove the the H+F:]
The alleged eyewitness also claimed that she came face to face with Heidi’s dead body in the trash chute after it got stuck on the 28th floor.

“There was a huge party up on the 40th floor so she dropped her dog off with a dog sitter, apparently she had done the same before...

https://www.nytimespost.com/heidi-p...ers-crypto-gambling-so-revellers-dumped-body/

Dropping down from a 40th Floor trash chute only to get stuck around the 28th floor is terrifying enough. God bless seeing Heidi had to be alarming and highly traumatizing.

Lord, I wish we had some sense of resolution for Heidi during the Holidays.
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[Meligator]

Crazy theory?:
What if someone killed her at H&F, and then went to her home (for whatever reason—to destroy some evidence or search for something) & was carrying her phone with them. Police may have found some forensic evidence at H&F but tracked her phone returning to her house — giving them the impression that someone returned her body to her house (perhaps to stage a suicide or something). So they raided her home thinking they might find her there.

I still suspect a crime of passion—but there was ample time for attempts at a cover up. Maybe not a well-developed cover up, but distractions. Plenty of time to delete home security video etc.

 

[Meligator]

Crazy theory?:
What if someone killed her at H&F, and then went to her home (for whatever reason—to destroy some evidence or search for something) & was carrying her phone with them. Police may have found some forensic evidence at H&F but tracked her phone returning to her house — giving them the impression that someone returned her body to her house (perhaps to stage a suicide or something). So they raided her home thinking they might find her there.

I still suspect a crime of passion—but there was ample time for attempts at a cover up. Maybe not a well-developed cover up, but distractions. Plenty of time to delete home security video etc.

I also think the time she last texted BW on Sunday is really important. If it was after 7, then it probably wasn’t her texting. Was someone else texting from her phone?

 

[NCWatcher]

Searchers in protective gear have been at a Landfill for weeks searching for anything that would lead them to Heidi. Certainly, we have the right to discuss how it came to be that after Heidi is seen on CCTV, Sunday, twice, that she never left the H+F Bldg alive.

MISSING Heidi Planck died from a prescription drug overdose at a wild strippers and crypto gambling party and panicked revellers disposed of her body through the trash chute, it has been sensationally claimed.

Bookkeeper Heidi, 39, disappeared in highly mysterious circumstances after attending her 11-year-old son’s flag football game in Los Angeles on October 17.

Officers have said they found evidence at the Hope + Flower apartment building which led them to believe Heidi is dead.

[Sleuths drove the the H+F:]
The alleged eyewitness also claimed that she came face to face with Heidi’s dead body in the trash chute after it got stuck on the 28th floor.

“There was a huge party up on the 40th floor so she dropped her dog off with a dog sitter, apparently she had done the same before...

Heidi Planck ‘overdosed on fentanyl-laced Adderall at party with strippers & crypto gambling’ so revellers ‘DUMPED body’ - New York Times Post

Dropping down from a 40th Floor trash chute only to get stuck around the 28th floor is terrifying enough. God bless seeing Heidi had to be alarming and highly traumatizing.

Lord, I wish we had some sense of resolution for Heidi during the Holidays.
.

Thanks for providing a MSM source that discusses the trash chute business.

But even if the Maserati woman is telling the truth to the YouTube pair who reported her story (and she may not be) she didn't say Heidi was put into the chute while still alive. So I'm not really sure what you meant by the sentence "Dropping down from a 40th Floor trash chute only to get stuck around the 28th floor is terrifying enough..."

The above article link says HP died at the party. Even if she wasn't dead, but merely unconscious from a Fentanyl overdose, I sincerely doubt she'd have had any awareness of being put in the chute. Of course, that's what we'd all like to think if HP was removed from the H&F that way. But IF she had enough Fentanyl in her system to fall down in a heap while dancing and IF she apparently couldn't be revived, even IF she was alive I'm pretty confident she wasn't aware of anything.

I'm also not sure I believe the Maserati woman checked the chutes on each floor down to the 28th floor simply because she didn't hear HP hit bottom and that's why she then found HP's body stuck on the 28th floor. While I've not lived in a high-rise building with trash chutes, I have stayed in an "extended stay" hotel that had them. I don't remember ever hearing my trash "hit bottom" but maybe I wasn't listening for it.
JMO

 

[?!?]

Crazy theory?:
What if someone killed her at H&F, and then went to her home (for whatever reason—to destroy some evidence or search for something) & was carrying her phone with them. Police may have found some forensic evidence at H&F but tracked her phone returning to her house — giving them the impression that someone returned her body to her house (perhaps to stage a suicide or something). So they raided her home thinking they might find her there.

I still suspect a crime of passion—but there was ample time for attempts at a cover up. Maybe not a well-developed cover up, but distractions. Plenty of time to delete home security video etc.

Yes, it is a crazy theory -- which is why it fits this case 'like a glove.'

 

[SteveP]

Thanks for providing a MSM source that discusses the trash chute business.

But even if the Maserati woman is telling the truth to the YouTube pair who reported her story (and she may not be) she didn't say Heidi was put into the chute while still alive. So I'm not really sure what you meant by the sentence "Dropping down from a 40th Floor trash chute only to get stuck around the 28th floor is terrifying enough..."

The above article link says HP died at the party. Even if she wasn't dead, but merely unconscious from a Fentanyl overdose, I sincerely doubt she'd have had any awareness of being put in the chute. Of course, that's what we'd all like to think if HP was removed from the H&F that way. But IF she had enough Fentanyl in her system to fall down in a heap while dancing and IF she apparently couldn't be revived, even IF she was alive I'm pretty confident she wasn't aware of anything.

I'm also not sure I believe the Maserati woman checked the chutes on each floor down to the 28th floor simply because she didn't hear HP hit bottom and that's why she then found HP's body stuck on the 28th floor. While I've not lived in a high-rise building with trash chutes, I have stayed in an "extended stay" hotel that had them. I don't remember ever hearing my trash "hit bottom" but maybe I wasn't listening for it.
JMO

I do not doubt that Ms Maserati told the YouTuber what was reported in the Sun, but while I think there are probably shreds of truth in her story, I think there are a lot more misstatements and outright lies. I tend to believe that HP may have been placed in the trash chute, as LE has been searching the landfill that accepts H+F's trash, for some three weeks now. Clearly, they believe that her remains and/or other personal belongings are to be found there.

Having said that, how coincidental is it that Heidi was allegedly placed in the chute on the 40th floor, and managed to get down 12 floors before getting stuck on the very floor that her dog was allegedly found wondering on? I'm not buying it. Also, I saw or read somewhere (that probably can't be linked here) that a key fob is required to access the trash chute door, and residents' key fobs only allow access to their floor and commons floors. How likely is it that MM (Mas Mama) COULD have gone down every floor checking chutes, even if she had been asked or wanted to? If she was checking every floor to make sure a body made its way to the bottom, she was far more involved in whatever happened than just being a spectator who later decided to get a conscience and spill her guts to some unknown YouTube real-crime poster. I do believe Heidi died in that building that evening, but I believe her story may be about 10% true and 90% CYA. JMO

 

[Meligator]

Thanks for providing a MSM source that discusses the trash chute business.

But even if the Maserati woman is telling the truth to the YouTube pair who reported her story (and she may not be) she didn't say Heidi was put into the chute while still alive. So I'm not really sure what you meant by the sentence "Dropping down from a 40th Floor trash chute only to get stuck around the 28th floor is terrifying enough..."

The above article link says HP died at the party. Even if she wasn't dead, but merely unconscious from a Fentanyl overdose, I sincerely doubt she'd have had any awareness of being put in the chute. Of course, that's what we'd all like to think if HP was removed from the H&F that way. But IF she had enough Fentanyl in her system to fall down in a heap while dancing and IF she apparently couldn't be revived, even IF she was alive I'm pretty confident she wasn't aware of anything.

I'm also not sure I believe the Maserati woman checked the chutes on each floor down to the 28th floor simply because she didn't hear HP hit bottom and that's why she then found HP's body stuck on the 28th floor. While I've not lived in a high-rise building with trash chutes, I have stayed in an "extended stay" hotel that had them. I don't remember ever hearing my trash "hit bottom" but maybe I wasn't listening for it.
JMO

Lots of people attend parties where there are illegal drugs, and the vast majority of those people are not evil enough to allow someone to overdose & die, without medical attention, and then be placed in a trash chute. Someone would have intervened or called 911. Watching that happen would be traumatizing, drugs or not—someone would have been speaking out about it by now. I just don’t think that story could possibly be true

 

[Gobstopper]

I do not doubt that Ms Maserati told the woman what was reported, but while I think there are probably shreds of truth in her story, I think there are a lot more misstatements and outright lies. I tend to believe that HP may have been placed in the trash chute, as LE has been searching the landfill that accepts H+F's trash, for some three weeks now. Clearly, they believe that her remains or other personal belongings are to be found there.

Having said that, how coincidental is it that Heidi was allegedly placed in the chute on the 40th floor, and managed to get down 12 floors before getting stuck on the very floor that her dog was allegedly found wondering on? I'm not buying it. Also, I saw or read somewhere (that probably can't be linked here) that a key fob is required to access the trash chute door, and residents' key fobs only allow access to their floor and commons floors. How likely is it that MM (Mas Mama) COULD have gone down every floor checking chutes, even if she had wanted to? If she was checking every floor to make sure a body made its way to the bottom, she was far more involved in whatever happened than just being a spectator who later decided to get a conscience when talking to a YouTube real-crime poster. I do believe Heidi died in that building that evening, but I believe her story may be about 10% true and 90% CYA. JMO

Not sure I believe MM either but she could have a fob to access every floor from being connected to the staff, dating the concierge, and everyone involved working together to get rid of the body. MOO

 

[?!?]

Lots of people attend parties where there are illegal drugs, and the vast majority of those people are not evil enough to allow someone to overdose & die, without medical attention, and then be placed in a trash chute. Someone would have intervened or called 911. Watching that happen would be traumatizing, drugs or not—someone would have been speaking out about it by now. I just don’t think that story could possibly be true

You and SteveP have touched on a point I was about to make -- one 'definite possibility' is that HP passed out or became disoriented at the party and was relocated to bf who I believe lived on the 28fl; when efforts to treat her failed, she was put in the chute (on the 28 fl). That is why 'only' 1-5 people 'really know' - MasLady's story was to not involve whoever is on the 28th fl, while explaining why there is blood around the chute on 28....

JMOO -- YMMV