Deceased/Not Found CA - Heidi Planck, 39, left son’s football game in Downey, dog found in Los Angeles, 17 Oct 2021 #5

[Gobstopper]

You and SteveP have touched on a point I was about to make -- one 'definite possibility' is that HP passed out or became disoriented at the party and was relocated to bf who I believe lived on the 28fl; when efforts to treat her failed, she was put in the chute (on the 28 fl). That is why 'only' 1-5 people 'really know' - MasLady's story was to not involve whoever is on the 28th fl, while explaining why there is blood around the chute on 28....

JMOO -- YMMV

Along with your theory, it could be why some were saying the dog was found on the 29th floor to take the emphasis off the person who lived on the 28th floor. MOO

 

[cvaldez1975]

I also think the time she last texted BW on Sunday is really important. If it was after 7, then it probably wasn’t her texting. Was someone else texting from her phone?

i stated it upthread but it got lost in the shuffle. i think its possible the ppl who "found her dog" knew what happened or knew SOMETHING, and wanted to distance themselves, and actually didnt find her dog at the time stated. they may have been watching it and she didnt return or something.

 

[NCWatcher]

I do not doubt that Ms Maserati told the YouTuber what was reported in the Sun, but while I think there are probably shreds of truth in her story, I think there are a lot more misstatements and outright lies. I tend to believe that HP may have been placed in the trash chute, as LE has been searching the landfill that accepts H+F's trash, for some three weeks now. Clearly, they believe that her remains and/or other personal belongings are to be found there.

Having said that, how coincidental is it that Heidi was allegedly placed in the chute on the 40th floor, and managed to get down 12 floors before getting stuck on the very floor that her dog was allegedly found wondering on? I'm not buying it. Also, I saw or read somewhere (that probably can't be linked here) that a key fob is required to access the trash chute door, and residents' key fobs only allow access to their floor and commons floors. How likely is it that MM (Mas Mama) COULD have gone down every floor checking chutes, even if she had been asked or wanted to? If she was checking every floor to make sure a body made its way to the bottom, she was far more involved in whatever happened than just being a spectator who later decided to get a conscience and spill her guts to some unknown YouTube real-crime poster. I do believe Heidi died in that building that evening, but I believe her story may be about 10% true and 90% CYA. JMO

I'm with you on your reasoning.

I guess one probability is that a dead HP was tossed down the chute on the 40th floor and her live dog was tossed in after her. If she got stuck at floor #28, it would have stopped the dog's fall. And he might have started barking. If that happened, there would been reason to look in the chute. Maybe the dog jumped out on the 28th floor? Still not clear how all the chutes were accessible to Maserati Woman or why she was the one to look.

JMO

 

[Gobstopper]

You and SteveP have touched on a point I was about to make -- one 'definite possibility' is that HP passed out or became disoriented at the party and was relocated to bf who I believe lived on the 28fl; when efforts to treat her failed, she was put in the chute (on the 28 fl). That is why 'only' 1-5 people 'really know' - MasLady's story was to not involve whoever is on the 28th fl, while explaining why there is blood around the chute on 28....

JMOO -- YMMV

I'm not convinced HP was at the party but I do think she was visiting someone for something. I don't think she did drugs other than Adderall so I'm not convinced about an overdose. I doubt she'd take an Adderall that late in the day to "party." Wouldn't a person prefer being productive? The party and the overdose are a good narrative to put accountability back on HP.
I don't think she'd leave her son's game for a party or take the dog. IMO this was no accident. She was fearful and all of her location and tracking devices had been turned off. MOO

 

[darring21]

I'm with you on your reasoning.

I guess one probability is that a dead HP was tossed down the chute on the 40th floor and her live dog was tossed in after her. If she got stuck at floor #28, it would have stopped the dog's fall. And he might have started barking. If that happened, there would been reason to look in the chute. Maybe the dog jumped out on the 28th floor? Still not clear how all the chutes were accessible to Maserati Woman or why she was the one to look.

JMO

Could it be possible the dog sitter became aware of the commotion on the 28th floor, came to see what was going on, and left the dog and got out of there?

 

[DeDee]

Thanks for providing a MSM source that discusses the trash chute business.

But even if the Maserati woman is telling the truth to the YouTube pair who reported her story (and she may not be) she didn't say Heidi was put into the chute while still alive. So I'm not really sure what you meant by the sentence "Dropping down from a 40th Floor trash chute only to get stuck around the 28th floor is terrifying enough..."

The above article link says HP died at the party. Even if she wasn't dead, but merely unconscious from a Fentanyl overdose, I sincerely doubt she'd have had any awareness of being put in the chute. Of course, that's what we'd all like to think if HP was removed from the H&F that way. But IF she had enough Fentanyl in her system to fall down in a heap while dancing and IF she apparently couldn't be revived, even IF she was alive I'm pretty confident she wasn't aware of anything.

I'm also not sure I believe the Maserati woman checked the chutes on each floor down to the 28th floor simply because she didn't hear HP hit bottom and that's why she then found HP's body stuck on the 28th floor. While I've not lived in a high-rise building with trash chutes, I have stayed in an "extended stay" hotel that had them. I don't remember ever hearing my trash "hit bottom" but maybe I wasn't listening for it.
JMO

It was a paragraph:
"Dropping down from a 40th Floor trash chute only to get stuck around the 28th floor is terrifying enough. God bless seeing Heidi had to be alarming and highly traumatizing."

In no way was it indicated in that post that HP was alive when she was sent down the trash chute. For me, the great horror would have been to see Heidi in the chute on the 28th Floor, as the witness stated she had seen.
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[raja]

Could it be possible the dog sitter became aware of the commotion on the 28th floor, came to see what was going on, and left the dog and got out of there?

This seems like a good possibility as to how the dog got left out alone in the hallway. JMHO

 

[NCWatcher]

Could it be possible the dog sitter became aware of the commotion on the 28th floor, came to see what was going on, and left the dog and got out of there?

That's possible. Weird but possible. But if the Maserati woman's story is true, the dog-sitter was a regular sitter for HP. And that information could have been known by lots of people. And people not involved in the party could have known HP used that dog-sitter that day. Plus, anyone who knows anything about dogs would know there was a chance the dog was chipped and might be traced back to HP. So it does seem dumb to just dump the dog in the hallway close to where there was purportedly a commotion over HP's dead body.

Edit: Do we know if the dog had on a leash when found? I don't think we know but I'm not positive about that.
JMO

 

[rosesfromangels]

That's possible. Weird but possible. But if the Maserati woman's story is true, the dog-sitter was a regular sitter for HP. And that information could have been known by lots of people. And people not involved in the party could have known HP used that dog-sitter that day. Plus, anyone who knows anything about dogs would know there was a chance the dog was chipped and might be traced back to HP. So it does seem dumb to just dump the dog in the hallway close to where there was purportedly a commotion over HP's dead body.

Edit: Do we know if the dog had on a leash when found? I don't think we know but I'm not positive about that.
JMO

I think the alleged dog sitter got scared and dumped the dog. Alternatively, HP could have had the dog with her until her suspected untimely demise, and those around her panicked and left the dog on another floor. It's all so shady and sketchy it would seem. All of this does point to accident, chaos, and coverup. Won't work. Someone will provide enough details to fill in what happened that day/night.

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[everybodhi]

Jmo but I think LE found more evidence than Maserati Lady’s story to have teams scouring the landfill, DNA in some form collected from the chute, hair, blood, skin cells, clothing fibers, etc.
A body wouldn’t travel 40 stories down a chute and leave no evidence.

 

[Cuoco7]

I'm not convinced HP was at the party but I do think she was visiting someone for something. I don't think she did drugs other than Adderall so I'm not convinced about an overdose. I doubt she'd take an Adderall that late in the day to "party." Wouldn't a person prefer being productive? The party and the overdose are a good narrative to put accountability back on HP.
I don't think she'd leave her son's game for a party or take the dog. IMO this was no accident. She was fearful and all of her location and tracking devices had been turned off. MOO

Thank you, I think your narrative is most likely. There are some outrageous things being put out there, and I think the more simpler the more realistic.

 

[NCWatcher]

I'm not convinced HP was at the party but I do think she was visiting someone for something. I don't think she did drugs other than Adderall so I'm not convinced about an overdose. I doubt she'd take an Adderall that late in the day to "party." Wouldn't a person prefer being productive? The party and the overdose are a good narrative to put accountability back on HP.
I don't think she'd leave her son's game for a party or take the dog. IMO this was no accident. She was fearful and all of her location and tracking devices had been turned off. MOO

I really have no idea what happened and am interested in everyone's theory, this one included. I am not leaning a particular way. But--

I don't own Apple electronics but I've certainly got some location trackers on my devices turned off for general privacy reasons. I also don't drive a fancy expensive car like HP's but if I had a nosy ex-husband who took me to court often and who seemed too interested in what I was doing and where I was more than 8 years after we split up, I might turn off a car tracker too. (And there seems to be some dispute as to whether the car stuff was turned off recently or was never activated by the previous owner.)

We don't know for sure whether HP regularly used Adderall or any other drug and if she did, how much she used. (We know JW said she was an Adderall "addict" over 5 years ago and also said she didn't use other drugs. Both things or neither thing may have been true then and both or neither may be true now.)

We don't know how likely HP would have been to attend a Sunday night party and use drugs. We don't know what kind of sleep/wake schedule HP kept. We especially don't know what she typically did when she didn't have BW. Given she had a work computer at home, we don't even know how often she went to an office or if her work-from-home routine always meant working from her own home since the computer was a laptop. And amphetamines don't interfere with "productivity" the way some other drugs do (even if we could say most people prefer to be "productive " and I'm not sure that's true.)

In general I think an accidental overdose is a far simpler explanation than a murder plot involving her boss, an SEC investigation, and connections to the president's son. But simpler is not always correct--Occam's razor does fail sometimes!

JMO

 

[Gobstopper]

I really have no idea what happened and am interested in everyone's theory, this one included. I am not leaning a particular way. But--

I don't own Apple electronics but I've certainly got some location trackers on my devices turned off for general privacy reasons. I also don't drive a fancy expensive car like HP's but if I had a nosy ex-husband who took me to court often and who seemed too interested in what I was doing and where I was more than 8 years after we split up, I might turn off a car tracker too. (And there seems to be some dispute as to whether the car stuff was turned off recently or was never activated by the previous owner.)

We don't know for sure whether HP regularly used Adderall or any other drug and if she did, how much she used. (We know JW said she was an Adderall "addict" over 5 years ago and also said she didn't use other drugs. Both things or neither thing may have been true then and both or neither may be true now.)

We don't know how likely HP would have been to attend a Sunday night party and use drugs. We don't know what kind of sleep/wake schedule HP kept. We especially don't know what she typically did when she didn't have BW. Given she had a work computer at home, we don't even know how often she went to an office or if her work-from-home routine always meant working from her own home since the computer was a laptop. And amphetamines don't interfere with "productivity" the way some other drugs do (even if we could say most people prefer to be "productive " and I'm not sure that's true.)

In general I think an accidental overdose is a far simpler explanation than a murder plot involving her boss, an SEC investigation, and connections to the president's son. But simpler is not always correct--Occam's razor does fail sometimes!

JMO

An accidental overdose of what? Most everyone said she didn't do drugs and her only history is with Adderall. MOO

 

[NCWatcher]

An accidental overdose of what? Most everyone said she didn't do drugs and her only history is with Adderall. MOO

I'm not aware of what anyone has said about her drug usage except her ex. He said she was addicted to Adderall and doctor shopped. He also said she didn't do other drugs. But that was 5+ years ago. Even IF what he said years ago was true, things could have changed. Maybe she did use other drugs back then but he didn't know it. Maybe she didn't but did in 2021. Or maybe she continued to use only Adderall but as discussed here doctor shopping really isn't feasible anymore. So people who need more than one legal prescription buy street drugs that may be adulterated. There's no real reason to think she'd never do drugs IMO. And lots more people are killed by accidental ODs especially with Fentanyl added to stuff than are killed by their bosses or at their bosses' direction.

I'm also not so sure the fear she expressed to her boyfriend was a realistic fear for her life as some have said here. We really don't know what she meant but we do know she was hospitalized for what sounded like a psychotic break in 2015. So her fear could have been an "internally generated" fear too. I just don't know but I don't find it implausible that could have been going on.
JMO

 

[bears10]

I'm not aware of what anyone has said about her drug usage except her ex. He said she was addicted to Adderall and doctor shopped. He also said she didn't do other drugs. But that was 5+ years ago. Even IF what he said years ago was true, things could have changed. Maybe she did use other drugs back then but he didn't know it. Maybe she didn't but did in 2021. Or maybe she continued to use only Adderall but as discussed here doctor shopping really isn't feasible anymore. So people who need more than one legal prescription buy street drugs that may be adulterated. There's no real reason to think she'd never do drugs IMO. And lots more people are killed by accidental ODs especially with Fentanyl added to stuff than are killed by their bosses or at their bosses' direction.

I'm also not so sure the fear she expressed to her boyfriend was a realistic fear for her life as some have said here. We really don't know what she meant but we do know she was hospitalized for what sounded like a psychotic break in 2015. So her fear could have been an "internally generated" fear too. I just don't know but I don't find it implausible that could have been going on.
JMO

and maybe she never doctor shopped at all and he lied to the court during a messy custody battle. I feel like the convenient release of JWs side of the story without also publishing heidis rebuttal did a major disservice and is what’s sparking all of these (imo, wild) speculations.

 

[Gobstopper]

I'm not aware of what anyone has said about her drug usage except her ex. He said she was addicted to Adderall and doctor shopped. He also said she didn't do other drugs. But that was 5+ years ago. Even IF what he said years ago was true, things could have changed. Maybe she did use other drugs back then but he didn't know it. Maybe she didn't but did in 2021. Or maybe she continued to use only Adderall but as discussed here doctor shopping really isn't feasible anymore. So people who need more than one legal prescription buy street drugs that may be adulterated. There's no real reason to think she'd never do drugs IMO. And lots more people are killed by accidental ODs especially with Fentanyl added to stuff than are killed by their bosses or at their bosses' direction.

I'm also not so sure the fear she expressed to her boyfriend was a realistic fear for her life as some have said here. We really don't know what she meant but we do know she was hospitalized for what sounded like a psychotic break in 2015. So her fear could have been an "internally generated" fear too. I just don't know but I don't find it implausible that could have been going on.
JMO

I see it from a different angle. If HP is the one who turned off her tracking devices IMO it was not because she was worried about JW knowing where she was but instead was because she was fearful of being followed by someone else.
While true that more people die from overdose than at their boss's direction, most bosses aren't accused of stealing $43M from pension funds. MOO

 

[NCWatcher]

and maybe she never doctor shopped at all and he lied to the court during a messy custody battle. I feel like the convenient release of JWs side of the story without also publishing heidis rebuttal did a major disservice and is what’s sparking all of these (imo, wild) speculations.

I see it from a different angle. If HP is the one who turned off her tracking devices IMO it was not because she was worried about JW knowing where she was but instead was because she was fearful of being followed by someone else.
While true that more people die from overdose than at their boss's direction, most bosses aren't accused of stealing $43M from pension funds. MOO

Of course, we are all speculating. And the above thinking may turn out to be correct.

As I've said before I think it was unfair to publish documents from only one side of a divorce/custody fight. But even if I hadn't seen those documents, thinking a 30-something MP in LA might have died from an OD perhaps involving Fentanyl wouldn't seem to be wild thinking to me, especially during these times. A wilder scenario would be proposing a murder plot with connections to Hunter Biden.

I know HP's boss JS is under scrutiny. But his close collaborator (the other Jason) has already been sent to prison. Other associates are under the Fed's microscope and have reason to blab if that means they can save themselves. It's just hard for me to think HP is the big threat in that group despite what JW has claimed.

None of us know why HP's phone and car trackers were turned off. It seems there are pretty harmless reasons they could be off as I said in my post. And none of us know why she told her BF of 3 years she was scared. Maybe she thought people were following her so she was frightened and turned off tracking when she could. But maybe she was wrong and no one was following her. Certainly if she's used drugs to cope in the past, if she was convinced people were following her this fall it's not terribly speculative to think she might have turned to drugs to cope. But I admit I really have no firm idea about what happened.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

Of course, we are all speculating. And the above thinking may turn out to be correct.

As I've said before I think it was unfair to publish documents from only one side of a divorce/custody fight. But even if I hadn't seen those documents, thinking a 30-something MP in LA might have died from an OD perhaps involving Fentanyl wouldn't seem to be wild thinking to me, especially during these times. A wilder scenario would be proposing a murder plot with connections to Hunter Biden.

I know HP's boss JS is under scrutiny. But his close collaborator (the other Jason) has already been sent to prison. Other associates are under the Fed's microscope and have reason to blab if that means they can save themselves. It's just hard for me to think HP is the big threat in that group despite what JW has claimed.

None of us know why HP's phone and car trackers were turned off. It seems there are pretty harmless reasons they could be off as I said in my post. And none of us know why she told her BF of 3 years she was scared. Maybe she thought people were following her so she was frightened and turned off tracking when she could. But maybe she was wrong and no one was following her. Certainly if she's used drugs to cope in the past, if she was convinced people were following her this fall it's not terribly speculative to think she might have turned to drugs to cope. But I admit I really have no firm idea about what happened.

JMO

BBM And it is highly likely that no one else here has a firm idea what happened, either. JMO

 

[bears10]

Of course, we are all speculating. And the above thinking may turn out to be correct.

As I've said before I think it was unfair to publish documents from only one side of a divorce/custody fight. But even if I hadn't seen those documents, thinking a 30-something MP in LA might have died from an OD perhaps involving Fentanyl wouldn't seem to be wild thinking to me, especially during these times. A wilder scenario would be proposing a murder plot with connections to Hunter Biden.

I know HP's boss JS is under scrutiny. But his close collaborator (the other Jason) has already been sent to prison. Other associates are under the Fed's microscope and have reason to blab if that means they can save themselves. It's just hard for me to think HP is the big threat in that group despite what JW has claimed.

None of us know why HP's phone and car trackers were turned off. It seems there are pretty harmless reasons they could be off as I said in my post. And none of us know why she told her BF of 3 years she was scared. Maybe she thought people were following her so she was frightened and turned off tracking when she could. But maybe she was wrong and no one was following her. Certainly if she's used drugs to cope in the past, if she was convinced people were following her this fall it's not terribly speculative to think she might have turned to drugs to cope. But I admit I really have no firm idea about what happened.

JMO

oh I totally agree the job stuff is overblown and sensationalist. I’ve thought that from the start. It seems more practical that it was an accidental overdose or a domestic incident. To be clear though, we have no idea if she ever abused drug in the past.

The masarati lady and youtuber story about strippers picking up glass and all that is just sketchy to me. I don’t trust that story at all and it’s irking me that it’s being taken as gospel.

 

[SteveP]

oh I totally agree the job stuff is overblown and sensationalist. I’ve thought that from the start. It seems more practical that it was an accidental overdose or a domestic incident. To be clear though, we have no idea if she ever abused drug in the past.

The masarati lady and youtuber story about strippers picking up glass and all that is just sketchy to me. I don’t trust that story at all and it’s irking me that it’s being taken as gospel.

I am not sure I have seen the story being taken as gospel. For me personally, I do believe Maserati Mama told the YouTuber the story that The Sun ran, but I definitely don't take any of those claims as gospel. As I have said more than once, I think there are likely some shreds of truth buried among a bunch of half-truths and lies, woven around some story aimed to either protect someone or deflect from someone. JMO