CA - Joey, Summer, Gianni, Joseph Jr McStay Murders - Feb 4th 2010 #5

[JMarsh]

The "paint" drop on Summer's Bra: 1) It was dried by the time she was buried. 2) It was raining during the time of the murders. 3) The paint MUST have dried prior to her being moved/buried, otherwise moving her would cause the paint to smear, IMO. 4) We KNOW, from testimony, that she was either painting in her bra while laying down, or she was laying on her side during a "clean up," IMO

But she'd been painting all week. Maybe she got paint on her bra on another day. Let it dry, that bra became what she painted in...

 

[Edmo]

But she'd been painting all week. Maybe she got paint on her bra on another day. Let it dry, that bra became what she painted in...

Could be as well.

 

[JMarsh]

You mean like Israel Keyes? That was discussed a lot here. I honestly don't think it was a thrill killer, mostly because the family was found buried in Victorville. I mean, what are the odds that a random thrill killer would drive the family all the way up there? IMO the killer buried the family in Victorville because it was familiar to them (Chase, if he did it) or because someone wanted everyone to think that Chase did it.

I doubt anyone killed by BTK was expecting him. And it could be a confluence of events. Maybe the reason these murders are so difficult to figure out is because they don't really make sense. Not in the textbook kind of way.

 

[katydid23]

Note that I said "so far".

It is an absurd excuse by some of comments here that just because "CM is the only one on trial" you refuse to consider the other people with the motive who may have committed or were involved in the murder. If you are to convict someone for murder, unless you have irrefutable proof, you need not only to prove he has the motive and possibly or even probably did it, but also to eliminate the possibility that someone else did it.

No, not necessarily. If the State proves that Chase was the one that created those checks from Joey's account, and then cashed them himself, and gambled it away, and Chase was the one that called QB, pretending to be Joey, to try and delete the QB records, then it doesn't matter what DK or MM were doing that night. JMO

 

[JMarsh]

No, not necessarily. If the State proves that Chase was the one that created those checks from Joey's account, and then cashed them himself, and gambled it away, and Chase was the one that called QB, pretending to be Joey, to try and delete the QB records, then it doesn't matter what DK or MM were doing that night. JMO

Right. IF they prove that. So far, not so much.

 

[Force Ten]

IF what I read today is true, the DNA that the defense points to NOT being CM in the gravesites, but belonging to people who had "contact" with say, the "Futon Cover," or other items (paint tape etc) doesn't mean the DNA was from the murderer, if that makes sense? Someone who possibly had contact with the cover/items found in the graves and their DNA was left on it means they simply had left their DNA cells on it from their home? I know, it DEFINITELY is a mystery to us all.

The futon could have also been used. Probably bought as a temporary couch. They had an actual couch, I think it was a sectional, at their old apartment. Not a whole lot of room for much else.

 

[cobalt sky]

The checks that Chase deposited in his bank account, we know he withdrew some of that money at casinos in the area. Has LE mentioned if there is evidence that he actually spent that money at the casinos? As in video surveillance of him playing, or use of a Players Card (lol)?

 

[katydid23]

Have you ruled out a hitman possibility yet? I fail to see so.

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A hitman isn't going to drive the family car to the border. Nor are they going to haul the bodies to the desert. They'd probably just leave them where they fell and book it out of there.

A hitman isn't going to sit down a write out some checks to chase merritt either.

 

[JMarsh]

The checks that Chase deposited in his bank account, we know he withdrew some of that money at casinos in the area. Has LE mentioned if there is evidence that he actually spent that money at the casinos? As in video surveillance of him playing, or use of a Players Card (lol)?

The gambling industry in the US is a 250 BILLION industry (just looked it up) . If every person who gambled committed murder, it would be apocalypse. It is possible for someone to gamble and not be compelled to kill four people.

And I don't find Chase's withdrawals to really be all that large.

 

[Edmo]

Right. IF they prove that. So far, not so much.

The QB's guy TESTIFIED that CM WAS the one who attempted to call as JM and "cancel" the account.

 

[katydid23]

The checks that Chase deposited in his bank account, we know he withdrew some of that money at casinos in the area. Has LE mentioned if there is evidence that he actually spent that money at the casinos? As in video surveillance of him playing, or use of a Players Card (lol)?

If he is a heavy gambler, and he was in a casino with a wad of cash in his hand, he gambled some of it away, imo.

 

[JMarsh]

The QB's guy TESTIFIED that CM WAS the one who attempted to call as JM and "cancel" the account.

True. What does that prove other than that he made that call?

 

[JMarsh]

If he is a heavy gambler, and he was in a casino with a wad of cash in his hand, he gambled some of it away, imo.

Maybe. But we don't know that this happened.

 

[Force Ten]

Supposedly, CM is also 1 of 12 siblings !

Here is the website I was referring to: CHASE MERRITT AND THE MCSTAY FAMILY MURDERS

Yes his daddy got around quite a bit. Had 3 wives. He mainly lived (and died) in Mineral Wells, Tx. though a lot his kids were in Ca.

 

[katydid23]

My view is the murderer(s) should pay for what they did and innocent people should not be wrongly convicted. Convicting an innocent person entails letting the real murders free. My view is as of now, Day 17, there has been no solid evidence to link CM to the murder, there is plenty of reasonable doubt. My view is basic logic is necessary for attempting to solve a complicated case.

Some asked for my theory. I can't have a theory without enough information. Not having a theory is not necessarily a bad thing. I'm here not to provide theories. Who said each member must provide a theory? Casting doubt on the theory of another doesn't imply having a theory of one's own. Some people here are knowledgeable about various law-related issues and other stuffs that I'm not knowledgeable of, some know more details about the case, so there are stuffs I'm interested to learn here. If you investigated my posting history, you'd see that my first post here was to ask a question, about the significance about the testimony about the paint tray in the house.

Ok, I agree that need to find the real killer. Absolutely.

Let me ask you this---if you eventually find evidence, that it was Chase who created those checks, made out to him, and cashed by him, and you do find proof that it was Chase who was using his own cell phone to try and cancel Joey's QB data, would you then lean towards Chase as the killer?

ETA:
I have no idea why my typing adds the cross out lines. lol sorry...

 

[Edmo]

True. What does that prove other than that he made that call?

You asked IF it was proved that CM was the one to call, in post 927, and we KNOW that CM was the one who called to cancel the QB account, according to the QB Rep that testified to his phone number? What else are you referring to? Thanks.

 

[cobalt sky]

The gambling industry in the US is a 250 BILLION (just looked it up) industry. If every person who gambled committed murder, it would be apocalypse. It is possible for someone to gamble and not be compelled to kill four people.

And I don't find Chase's withdrawals to really be all that large.

If he is a heavy gambler, and he was in a casino with a wad of cash in his hand, he gambled some of it away, imo.

Agreed. Just ignore my question, as I can't really explain why I'm asking as it could open up a Pandora's box so just pretend I never asked lol.

 

[JMarsh]

Ok, I agree that need to find the real killer. Absolutely.

Let me ask you this---if you eventually find evidence, that it was Chase who created those checks, made out to him, and cashed by him, and you do find proof that it was Chase who was using his own cell phone to try and cancel Joey's QB data, would you then lean towards Chase as the killer?

I think that has already been established, in fact, I think the defense admits the above is what occurred. It's just a matter of determining what all those events are actually indicative of.

 

[katydid23]

I have no evidence either way, therefore I don't rule it out, esp. given the complication of what transpired. Did I claim it was definitely a hit job? But you seem to rule it out without due evidence.

Hit men are quick---in and out, no muss, no fuss. Hitmen aren't going to kill an entire family with a hammer, and then load them in a car and drive out to the desert and dig some graves. Then return for the family vehicle and drive it to the border.

Hitmen didn't care about any of that because they have no personal connections to the family, thus they don't bother to move the bodies. Nor do they kill the babies because those babies cannot identify them.

Hitmen come in quickly, usually execute with bullet to back of the head, and they are gone.

 

[katydid23]

I think that has already been established, in fact, I think the defense admits the above is what occurred. It's just a matter of determining what all those events are actually indicative of.

What would it be indicative of, besides the killer feeling he had the opportunity to cash in on his crime?

 

[JMarsh]

You asked IF it was proved that CM was the one to call, in post 927, and we KNOW that CM was the one who called to cancel the QB account, according to the QB Rep that testified to his phone number? What else are you referring to? Thanks.

My sense is that no one is disagreeing that Chase made that call. Where the difference in opinion comes in is, why Chase made that call.