Found Deceased CA - Madyson Middleton, 8, Santa Cruz, 26 July 2015 - #2 *Arrest*

[Julpal]

Hello there. Though I've followed many a case here, this is my first post. Hope it comes out well. I just wanted to say that he doesn't seem to fit the "psychopath"mold at all. Is there a reason this term is being thrown around?

 

[tlcya]

:welcome5: Julpal. Glad you decided to come out of lurk mode and join the conversation.

 

[ElsaMaria]

i just posted a case... At the age of 3/4 he set his crib on fire then he was digging up dead farm animals, mutilating them and carrying them around. A couple yrs ago he almost killed a child and now, at the age of 11 he killed a 4 yr old.

omg😦😦

 

[cluciano63]

A 48 Hours show that was on last night was about the son in Sugarland, TX who had his family killed (father survived) and he was from a successful, well-known stable family. He had been lying about attending college for two years and decided he wanted his inheritance. Nothing before all of this really showed any signs that he was a sociopath, as far as I know. There are (too) many cases like this one, where a teen or young adult kills (family members) for money.

I don't know if these sorts of cases involve "something missing" from the brain or just extreme reactions to greed, laziness etc...but on the other hand, it would not surprise me if most of these killers did have "issues" as a child that were ignored, downplayed or explained away. Parents are not very receptive to believing there is something seriously "off" with any of their kids. Anyway, jmo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Personally, I think the profile of the teen murderer has been evolving in the last 10-15 years or so.

It is extremely rare for a child victim of abuse to murder their abuser. What is not rare is the motives for many of these murders seems to have narcissistic sociopathic overtones where they feel entitled to do as they wish. I feel that is why in many of these teen murder cases they have absolutely no remorse for the murders they have committed.

Some of the most prolific murderers known had no childhood abuse in their history.

When we have teens killing for not wanting to do chores, or because their X-box was taken away or some other matieral item or not getting their way about something or were told the forbidden word 'no' it shows many of these teen murderers only concern in life is for themselves only and what they feel entitled to do.

I think that can come about and produce sociopaths when the offender is not abused but is spoiled, and overly coddled where they beieve life is all about them and their wants and desires is all that matters regardless of who it hurts or how immoral and unlawful it happens to be.

I do believe children can be prone to be a sociopath at birth and their environment makes it even worse. We see the shows where kids even at the early ages of 2 or3 are already out of control and are filled with unnecessary rage. Its very unnerving to watch and even the mental health doctors say if these children were adults someone would be hurt badly by them. I have also read that conduct defiance disorders in children are on the rise and one of the reasons given for it is parenting skills. IMO, way too many children have control over what happens as they are being raised rather than the parents, as it should be.

Last year I read about a 9 year old who was already a psycopath/sociopath.

So I dont think AJG suffered from any abuse whatsoever.In fact I wouldnt be surprised to learn he was very spoiled. He is just another murderer who felt entitled to do what he wanted.

My heart breaks over and over again for little Maddy.

She thought he was her good friend. She trusted him and he took full advantage of that trust. What a horrible betrayal to Maddy.

 

[EllieBee]

Hello there. Though I've followed many a case here, this is my first post. Hope it comes out well. I just wanted to say that he doesn't seem to fit the "psychopath"mold at all. Is there a reason this term is being thrown around?

Welcome! Glad you cane out of lurkdome.

I wish I could answer your question, but I can't.

 

[~greeneyedgirl~]

Sorry I don't have any links just personal experience, my BIL was born with a tiny bone in his ear missing, this caused him as a child to have no concept of fear or consequences, he was 4 jumping of garage roofs, starting fires and causing a ruckus before my MIL got a definitive diagnosis on why he was behaving like this. She feared the worst and was very worried about what kind of life he would have. School was hard for him but he hung in there and is now an electrician and a upstanding member of our community, yes he did get in minor legal troubles as a child but nothing that would have a lasting effect on his adult life. She nurtured him and he had a stable loving home, possibly if he didn't have that home life maybe his outcome would have been different.

I guess I'm just wondering if maybe something along these lines could be a cause for such young people to commit such heinous crimes. I think I hope that there is a cause whether it be chemical or some area missing or not developing his brain because to me no sane person behaves that way. That's why I come to this site to understand human nature and why we do what we do.

Maybe the bottom line is there is no reason...some people just do bad things.


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[Always Amazed]

My heart breaks for Maddy, for the terror she must have felt. That poor, sweet child.

I have nothing but contempt for the monster that betrayed her and believe charging him as an adult is justified.

 

[anansie]

Personally, I think the profile of the teen murderer has been evolving in the last 10-15 years or so.

It is extremely rare for a child victim of abuse to murder their abuser. What is not rare is the motives for many of these murders seems to have narcissistic sociopathic overtones where they feel entitled to do as they wish. I feel that is why in many of these teen murder cases they have absolutely no remorse for the murders they have committed.

Some of the most prolific murderers known had no childhood abuse in their history.

When we have teens killing for not wanting to do chores, or because their X-box was taken away or some other matieral item or not getting their way about something or were told the forbidden word 'no' it shows many of these teen murderers only concern in life is for themselves only and what they feel entitled to do.

I think that can come about and produce sociopaths when the offender is not abused but is spoiled, and overly coddled where they beieve life is all about them and their wants and desires is all that matters regardless of who it hurts or how immoral and unlawful it happens to be.

I do believe children can be prone to be a sociopath at birth and their environment makes it even worse. We see the shows where kids even at the early ages of 2 or3 are already out of control and are filled with unnecessary rage. Its very unnerving to watch and even the mental health doctors say if these children were adults someone would be hurt badly by them. I have also read that conduct defiance disorders in children are on the rise and one of the reasons given for it is parenting skills. IMO, way too many children have control over what happens as they are being raised rather than the parents, as it should be.

Last year I read about a 9 year old who was already a psycopath/sociopath.

So I dont think AJG suffered from any abuse whatsoever.In fact I wouldnt be surprised to learn he was very spoiled. He is just another murderer who felt entitled to do what he wanted.

My heart breaks over and over again for little Maddy.

She thought he was her good friend. She trusted him and he took full advantage of that trust. What a horrible betrayal to Maddy.

The environment plays a part, for sure, but abuse or neglect in childhood is just as bad as spoiling a child. Many child killers of the past had bad childhoods - grew up in rough estates, were treated badly, etc. James Bulger's killers, Mary Bell, etc. These days it does appear that quite a few of these child killers were spoilt. But some spoilt children are timid and wouldn't hurt a fly. Anyway what is spoiling a child? If a parent is very aware and connects emotionally well to their child, they should not even end up going down the road of ending up with spoilt children. I think spoilt children can be neglected children - emotionally neglected children.

Basically there are too many variables involved in how a child will turn out. The obvious things to look out for are abuse or neglect. But that does not include just physical, but emotional aspects too. Parents who are just unable to connect emotionally with their children for whatever reason can do just as bad a damage, even if they never meant the children harm and did all they could (or all they were capable of) for the child. They were simply clueless and had no idea what they were doing was not helpful, nor did they know what could help. Many parents just parent the way they were parented, even if they hadn't been exposed to good parenting when they were younger.

I'd hate to send all parents to parenting classes and mandate to people what they should or should not do, but I believe it is good for all potential parents to be taught some child psychology before having a child. Me included.

And... I think society needs to stop thinking of a compliant quiet child as a "good" child and anything else as not. Every child is an individual who deserves understanding and appropriate help. And that complicates things too because that means there is no one way that is best for every child.

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[AmyPond]

I guess that depends on your definition of "loving." There are lots of killers that came out of what appears to be an average sort of family. For example, James Holmes's trial is in the penalty phase right now. He has mother, father, sister, that appear to be an average family and a reasonably normal childhood.

The only thing is...you just never know what goes on behind closed doors in any family. So there's no way to know really if a killer comes from a loving family or not.

 

[human]

Personally, I think the profile of the teen murderer has been evolving in the last 10-15 years or so.

It is extremely rare for a child victim of abuse to murder their abuser. What is not rare is the motives for many of these murders seems to have narcissistic sociopathic overtones where they feel entitled to do as they wish. I feel that is why in many of these teen murder cases they have absolutely no remorse for the murders they have committed.

Some of the most prolific murderers known had no childhood abuse in their history.

When we have teens killing for not wanting to do chores, or because their X-box was taken away or some other matieral item or not getting their way about something or were told the forbidden word 'no' it shows many of these teen murderers only concern in life is for themselves only and what they feel entitled to do.

I think that can come about and produce sociopaths when the offender is not abused but is spoiled, and overly coddled where they beieve life is all about them and their wants and desires is all that matters regardless of who it hurts or how immoral and unlawful it happens to be.

I do believe children can be prone to be a sociopath at birth and their environment makes it even worse. We see the shows where kids even at the early ages of 2 or3 are already out of control and are filled with unnecessary rage. Its very unnerving to watch and even the mental health doctors say if these children were adults someone would be hurt badly by them. I have also read that conduct defiance disorders in children are on the rise and one of the reasons given for it is parenting skills. IMO, way too many children have control over what happens as they are being raised rather than the parents, as it should be.

Last year I read about a 9 year old who was already a psycopath/sociopath.

So I dont think AJG suffered from any abuse whatsoever.In fact I wouldnt be surprised to learn he was very spoiled. He is just another murderer who felt entitled to do what he wanted.

My heart breaks over and over again for little Maddy.

She thought he was her good friend. She trusted him and he took full advantage of that trust. What a horrible betrayal to Maddy.

1. There is a list of prolific murderers on the net and it gives their upbringing. Not good. Any of them.

2. If you watched the show the Nanny, it showed the lack of parental skills.

There are many atudies such as Harlow's monkeys and the orphanage studies thatmgive us valuable,info. And there is Maslow's hierarchy of needs.

It can be that parents who give their children everything are involved with activities that leave no time for children. And it seems like multiple imfidleities by the parents leave a big scar on the children.

There are numerous studies on the eye contact of mothers and children. The response to cues. Illnesses in parents and children. So many things that we know about .

 

[Mamamerced]

The only thing is...you just never know what goes on behind closed doors in any family. So there's no way to know really if a killer comes from a loving family or not.

I agree. Self-proclaiming as a loving family or having the "appearance of" a loving family can often be masks.

 

[bellesnwhistles]

Did he have friends of his own age? Did he do things with kids of his own age?

Although I did see on his IG that there were kids commenting. Not after the crime, but comments that had been written earlier.

Yeah he seemed to skate with friends but they looked younger, idk. He also looked a lot older than 15 IMO

 

[MsMarple]

Any word on the arraignment? I think DA Rosell said the hearing is for 8:15 today.

ETA: I'm watching the rerun of the 5 am news on:

http://www.ksbw.com/nowcast

A psychologist is giving his opinion on AJG's actions.

 

[AmyPond]

Hello there. Though I've followed many a case here, this is my first post. Hope it comes out well. I just wanted to say that he doesn't seem to fit the "psychopath"mold at all. Is there a reason this term is being thrown around?

For me, he seems to fit the psychopath or sociopath mold based on some things I've read about him hanging around and asking the police questions. And possibly even joining in on the search. That...added to how disgusting the crimes were...make him fit the mold, in my opinion.

 

[Bravo]

Nature/Nurture. Can be both or one or the other IMO. And debated until the end of time.

 

[gngr~snap]

In this photo, from AJG'S instagram account, the book is reportedly about a suicidal teen called "It's Kind of a Funny Story"

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/248704.It_s_Kind_of_a_Funny_Story#

Photo of book at
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/42.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=60&h=45&crop=1

http://heavy.com/news/2015/07/adria...ictures-of-maddy-middleton-suspect-charges/1/

 

[gngr~snap]

Media packed at arraignment for 15 yo AJG.
Check out @JanineKTVU's Tweet: https://twitter.com/JanineKTVU/status/626769206533423104?s=09

 

[gngr~snap]

Arraignment POSTPONED!!
Check out @kron4news's Tweet: https://twitter.com/kron4news/status/626777692365389824?s=09

 

[NCsleuther]

Arraignment POSTPONED!!
Check out @kron4news's Tweet: https://twitter.com/kron4news/status/626777692365389824?s=09

I wonder why??