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Couldn’t he plead guilty but mentally ill?He could opt for a Bench Trial (by judge) or he could just confess/Plead Guilty if he wanted to spare everyone a trial.
Couldn’t he plead guilty but mentally ill?He could opt for a Bench Trial (by judge) or he could just confess/Plead Guilty if he wanted to spare everyone a trial.
Exactly.The term codependent applied to RR implies shared guilt for the crime, which isn't fair, imo.
I did find a definition of the term, but I don't agree with it because it seems touchy feely new age whatever. We're all codependent, and sometimes its a positive dynamic. But in this case I'd not use it.Exactly.
Imagine if women murdered by their partners were labelled 'codependent'...
The bar for insanity is pretty straightforward most places.Couldn’t he plead guilty but mentally ill?
Nick Reiner is calling in the heavies after being arrested for allegedly murdering his famous parents ... because Alan Jackson tells us Nick hired him as his defense attorney.
Alan is one of the best criminal defense attorneys out there, and he's no stranger to high-profile cases like this one ... he recently got Karen Read acquitted of murder in Massachusetts.
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Nick Reiner Hires Defense Attorney Alan Jackson in Parents' Murder Case
Nick Reiner is calling in the heavies after being arrested for allegedly murdering his famous parents ... because Alan Jackson tells us Nick hired him as his defense attorney.www.tmz.com
I guess this throws out the prior reports of them being found in bed together. Does this indicate a confrontation?The person close to the family said that nothing in recent weeks suggested that Nick Reiner, 32, would be capable of such violence.
The person disputed accounts that suggested the family had been especially apprehensive in recent weeks about Nick Reiner’s behavior. Nick Reiner had struggled for more than half of his lifewith drug addiction, but the person close to the family said they were accustomed to working through his problems together.
He took issue with news accounts that suggested the family might have left the party early because of the son’s behavior. Nick Reiner’s behavior at the party, the person said, was not unusual to the Reiners, who had grown used to it over the years.
The day after the party on Sunday afternoon, Romy Reiner, 28, fled the house in anguish upon encountering her father’s body inside the house. Her roommate, waiting outside, called 911, the person said.
When the paramedics arrived, the person said, Romy Reiner told them that her brother lived on the property also, but she did not suggest to the authorities that her brother might be a suspect, as some news outlets have reported.
Romy Reiner did not see her mother’s body in the house and learned from the paramedics outside that she was dead, too, the person said.
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Rob Reiner's Son Nick Is Charged With Murder in Parents' Deaths: Live Updates
A person close to the family provided a detailed account of what occurred in the Reiner house after a massage therapist received no response at the gate.www.nytimes.com
He is 32 now and Idk when he was possibly prescribed these drugs, if at all.
IIRC, back in the stone ages when I studied this, in my area the criteria was whether at the time if the crime, could they tell right from wrong. Whether they NOW can tell right from wrong is a separate issue. And insanity is a “not guilty” plea. Guilty but mentally ill is a “guilty” plea. I suggested he would plead “GBMI” not insanity.The bar for insanity is pretty straightforward most places.
Did they know what they were doing was wrong? Did they know it would harm their victims?
If they answer is yes to either, he doesn't meet the bar.
MOO
Whatever happened, it appears they were killed in different locations within the house. But yeah, it seems to cast doubt on some sort of ambush while they were sleeping. I'm going fight that escalated to violence.I guess this throws out the prior reports of them being found in bed together. Does this indicate a confrontation?
There is nothing to suggest what the defense strategy will be. Modsnip: Off topic to this case
My opinion is that the estate has hired Jackson, not to get Nick off, but to ensure that as he moves through the justice system, his rights are protected, and an attempt to get him some mental health treatment. To lose respect for Jackson, as I read in this thread is unfortunate. Without defense, we have no system of justice. imo.
From the article:
Rob, they say, was dead. But Michele, they say, was alive enough to tell Romy that it was her brother, Nick, who’d tried to kill them.
“He left us here for dead,” the source says Michelle told Romy.
That would explain why almost instantly it was reported that the stabbings were the work of a family member.
I’m not trusting that Showbiz source either ! Jmo
Here’s where they say they got that info:
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"He left us here for dead" sounds unlikely to me.
Not unlikely that he did that, but kind of dramatic and pulp fictiony that she would have said it that way.
Whomever is named executor. If none, the court will appoint one. imoWho specifically would be the estate point person(s)?
I couldn't see a red backpack in the video you posted. I found one that's clearer.Daily Mail has video of when he was arrested. If you blow it up, it looks like he has a red backpack over his left shoulder.
VIDEO: Exclusive Daily Mail footage shows Nick Reiner arrest | Daily Mail Online
Man, it’s not easy to lay down the law when it’s your kid. They tried tough love, 18+ times and it didnt work. so They probably thought they may as well try something else, What do they have to lose, what’s the alternative ? Does that mean that unless you abandon your child you’re considered a co dep. Rob Reiner is also a public figure I cant imagine what people would have said if he did abandon his kid. “ Super rich director doesn’t care about….” He couldn’t win.Same.
Of course we don’t know this family personally, but IMO these parents tried extensively and in every way to help Nick. He’s 32, didn’t have children where maybe then his parents would’ve taken them in; but otherwise at his age, making his choices, I think they seem to have tried everything.
I kind of saw it as a bit of saving face ( nicks face) I dont want to say rescuing because it has a bad connotation, but Nick was flat and disconnected, He struggled to give answers that a host could build on, he was occasionally rude. Half the time he couldn’t remember the question or would take digs at his dad. Rob was trying to make him look better. IMO before Nick put his foot in his own mouth. At one point Rob had to clarify a question for Nick b/c he must been daydreaming or something. he was very awkward. ( that ‘being Charlie’ interview is very telling iIMO)As for Rob not letting Nick talk too much in interviews, I see some of that but Rob Reiner was a BIG personality, an actor but also a director, accustomed to directing.
That was his style and it’s what gave Nick a luxurious life. And also in an interview, Rob is “on.” In their private life at home, I believe Nick got an enormous amount of attention, as he was the problem child.
And aged 32, if he didn’t want to be around his father, or around either parent, he could have packed his bags and stayed away permanently, and try to make it on his own.
JMO